Clearing some so-called rumors regarding the no refunds policy of The Last: Naruto the movie

While browsing Tumblr today, I got my eyes on a certain post which reminded me of a situation I have found myself in. Those of you who read me on Tumblr have probably seen this post by now, in which it is alluded that I am “just spreading rumors” regarding the negativity The Last: Naruto the movie is getting as I have been writing in multiple articles of mine, given that some apparent trusted translators from the fandom and the well known Naruto forums board, Narutoforums couldn’t find any “official” source stating the things I have posted from the so-called in their opinion “fake” sources or “unreliable”.

As you guys know, I have reported about the reception of the movie from its motherland ever since we started hearing the rumors according to which Japanese fans would want to cancel their tickets but can’t and that apparently, like I have been stressing it in the article, people cannot cancel their tickets despite wanting it.

That’s from where the whole fuss with the no refunds policy started to gain a louder voice, especially after the movie’s release, as I have been writing in some of the other articles, reporting from the same sources we all used to use until the end of Naruto series, the forum boards 2ch.

And so, I started reporting how the movie although painted as a shiny golden apple, on its inside, it was rotten: the fandom hates the movie and also called the marketing ploys used by Studio Pierrot & co to advertise it, a fraud.

In “The Last: Naruto the Movie reception failing to impress fans. Movie gets voted one of the worst in the franchise”, I am quoting a Japanese friend who finally explains us based on the discussions at 2ch fans were having, from where the no refunds policy started and why they call it a fraud:

The majority of hate comes from this false advertisement. Sasuke and Kakashi are always number one and two in popularity polls. The fans of Sasuke and Kakashi now understood that they were lead on to buy the pre-sale tickets because they have the biggest fanbase. Now they’re really really mad calling this fraud. There was a refund in the movies before. The no refund policy started from this movie or they started after revealing the spoilers. Hence people call it a fraud.

 

 After that, I reported some of the sources and the anti-threads created on 2ch. Some have tried to make it as 2ch is such an unreliable and biased and whatnot forums ever since the forums have turned anti The Last and try to make us the ones who report the reality of the facts outside the NaruHina and SasuSaku bubbles as some kind of so big liars, despite the same people over at Narutoforums have been using 2ch as sources themselves back in the days.

So my question is, despite all the other shown evidence on Tumblr from real people shredding their The Last posters or impressions from Twitter from real Japanese fans who all, by the way say like I have reported in the aforementioned that they will be taking their revenge by down voting the movie on Yahoo Japan and other websites?

So how is it that people like me and others like  get to be insinuated as liars or spreading “fake rumors” for reporting from the same sources the said trusted translators used themselves over the years?

What is it that hard to understand that this movie is a bad ending not only because of the pairings but because of its execution.

So with this, hope I cleared everyone’s suspicions and claims according to which I am spreading false rumors from fake sources or whatnot. We’ve been drinking from the same cup this whole 15 years everyone… ;)

With this being said, I bit you bye bye for the moment!

xoxo

Chatte

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Ashley S. (3 years ago)

2Chan? 2Chan? Seriously? You use THAT site as source? It’s home of the Internet trolls. Next time use something like Sayian Island as source when you try to come at the amount of money made by the last. Also that Yahoo JP site surely does have a lot of English reviews on it…..

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    “2Chan? 2Chan? Seriously? You use THAT site as source? It’s home of the Internet trolls.”

    Ooh, so now it’s treated like “that”, right? Funny how before this it wasn’t treated as such, as I was saying….But now suddenly it’s treated such as the home of internet troll or other names that have been given to me as justification for the argument they’re trying to do when the point still stands – we’ve all been using it for years.

    “Next time use something like Sayian Island as source when you try to come at the amount of money made by the last.”

    Do you even know how those articles on Sayian Island are made? Same as I write mine, only that instead of just following nice shiny marketing campaigns done by the companies there that after rely the information to the people in here in which they praise this as being the shiny egg of Naruto series, I follow people’s reaction, people like me and you. From the same source, may I remind you. :)

    “Also that Yahoo JP site surely does have a lot of English reviews on it…..”

    You see, I wouldn’t have how to know that, I just rely the information along with my impressions of other Japanese peers. And funny enough, it happens that they do match.

    They said that if they were tricked into the fraud ticked thing, at least they’re payback will be to give 1 start to the movie, which happened so I don’t see what’s your point here? It’s not like Kishi, Pierrot & co. didn’t take advantage of it so I don’t see what’s your problem.

    Plus, it’s not like any other people who sees afterwards cannot make their own impression about this. So I really don’t get your fuss. I mean I do, but you’re making a fuss over the wrong side of things and we both know it so yeah….
    Moving on…

Scot (3 years ago)

You realize that nothing you can say will convince the SS/nH fans of anything they don’t want to believe. Logic has long since left them only a desire to be right no matter what is left.

Kishimoto himself come out and say to them “Yes, I originally intended for NS to happen, but Studio Pierrot told me that we could make more money from western fans if we had nH instead. So at the last minute I made this cheap copout ending I never intended. Also in order to make sure we made money from our Japanese fans we advertised The Last Movie as a Team 7 focused movie in order to trick them into by pre-order tickets then refused to refund them once they figured out they were tricked.”

You could have Kishimoto say that an more in a interview with a credible source you could even have video of him saying it and they would still go “No! You’re Lying that’s Not Kishimoto!”

    TTrasengan (3 years ago)

    @Chatte and @Scot here’s a thought, your opinion isn’t a fact lol. “What is it that hard to understand that this movie is a bad ending not only because of the pairings but because of its execution.” Chatte that is the most ridiculous statement I’ve read in years. If you slipped in “in my opinion” then fine. Please stop going around stating your opinion like it’s fact. YOU and NS fans whether in Japan or where ever throughout the world believe it to be a bad ending cuz your pairing didn’t happen, because the ending didn’t go the way YOU and NS fans wanted it to go (seriously stop trying to hide that based on saying it’s about execution, it’s bullshit). That’s all, a section of fans don’t like it, nothing more than that. The movie isn’t a failure to everyone, the ending isn’t bad to everyone, all this is just your opinion.

    Also @Scot NS was supposed to happen? If Kishi truly didn’t want something to happen in HIS story, it wouldn’t have happened. Yet NH fans are the deluded ones. Guys let it go, it’s done. Naruhina is canon, SS is canon, Naruto and Sakura are friends, this is Naruto’s story. Let it go. Stop following it, stop writing about it, stop reading about it, if you guys hate it so much.

      Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

      Well the problem is that I don’t pass my opinion as a fact, you see, so nice try there. I pass it as my opinion over the facts that have been shown to me and that’s what most probably pisses you off and mostly other people like you.
      That the facts that have been shown to us as being the ending is a pure contradiction of 15 years of manga content so next time you want to make this about pairings ONCE AGAIN after I have been saying clearly that it’s about THE EXECUTION, try again.

      hayls (3 years ago)

      I agree with chatte False freaking Advitising. at least Sasuke Wise They include him in all the last mechandise they have for him stands with him in a kimono exclusive character designs from kishi made specifically for the movie. And the the worst most fraudulent of them all Is having Sasuke In the main Movie poster spread all over the world.

      when people who read the SHOUNEN manga not bullshit ships you would think if your gonna sell the shit out of someone they would have some type pro-dominate role in the movie. like him and Naruto are gonna be best buds or fight or something. BUT NO HES THERE FOR FIVE SECOND AND SAYS ONE STUPID LINE. what else would you call that crap. Obviously Studio P has false adverised the shit out this movie why the fuck put Sasuke in their shit in the first place motherfckers. I could have saved my money!!!!

    Rex Julius (3 years ago)

    LOL, are you talking bow about the interview where Kishimoto said that he planned NH for a quite long ago and used NS as a red herring? ;P

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      No, I believe he was referring to the various manga chapters such as 474, 540 and 693 which are confirmations from Sai, Naruto and Sakura herself that she loves Sasuke.

        Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

        It’s canon that they loved eachother but weren’t in love with eachother. It was like a step above platonic love but not romantic love.

    Jack (3 years ago)

    How stupid can you get? Studio Periot? Lmfao. Had you said Shonen Jump, then it would have been slightly believable…. But studio peridot doesn’t control the Naruto manga in any way. Kishi writes his story however he wants. You and this b***h who keeps showing up in my Google Now stories need to seriously get a life anestop spreading bullshit rumours about the art of another man.. Because I doubt you could ever produce anything better or even close to what Kishi has done. Seriously.

      Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

      Well if you have been putting a little thinking into this I would’ve tried to explain you but you see since there’s nothing else but BS what you’re spewing here I’ll rather just refrain from even trying.

Thar (3 years ago)

“reporting from the same sources the said trusted translators used themselves over the years?”

No, you’re not. 2chan is a bit like reddit. There’s sub forums for everything from cooking, automobiles,western news, etc. So one of those slices is the anime,manga, and books umbrella. Then again into sub forums called “Anime News”, “Shonen Manga”, “Light Novels”, “Animated Films” and tons more. So your sources that you’re citing come from ONLY the Manga, Books, Etc.>>>Animated Films>>>Anti-The Last Thread. Within the “Animated Films” category, there are hundreds of links to other movies, the general threads, etc. Did you look in Manga, Books, Etc.>>>Anime Characters? Or Manga, Books, Etc.>>>Anime and Manga news? Or Manga, Books, Etc.>>>Weekly Shonen Manga?

No, you haven’t. All I see is you picking and choosing from the anti-thread. That’s bias right there.

Spoilers, Jump Festa news, etc. Don’t get posted in Manga, Books, Etc>Animated Films.

You have to go to either Manga, Books, Etc.>>>Shonen Manga OR Manga Saloon, OR Weekly Shonen Manga OR Anime & Manga News to read up on what’s happening.

So when you say they they are “citing 2chan” they are reading multiple slices, from multiple subsections. And if you did, you’d see all the support threads for Naruto, character appreciation, etc. Go into the pairing chats and read what they’re saying.

You say that “2ch is such an unreliable and biased and whatnot forums ever since the forums have turned anti The Last ”

The FORUM didn’t turn “anti-The Last”, by the way. That’s false. The is ONE DESIGNATED ANTI-THREAD for the movie.

Like I said, 2chan is HUGE. That’s like picking a restaurant critic article that’s published from The New York Times and saying “Americans HATE this restaurant called 1434352″, when in reality, it’s a small subset of people, banding together on ONE small thread, in ONE subsection of ONE LARGE UMBRELLA TOPIC.

You’re the one being BIASED if you keep ONLY getting your “news” by cherry-picking from “The Last-AntiThread #17″ or whatever, which is one tiny thread in a sea of plenty of other positive Naruto ones. It’s an anti-thread, what do you expect? Same if you went to the Hinata appreciation thread, or their NaruSaku thread.

Ella (3 years ago)

So you posted a screenshot…from a post from 2009…from Narutofan Forums…about a completely unrelated event…to prove what?

That’s not evidence at all. 2chan is larger than wikipedia. That’s like saying “They looked it up on wikipedia and said it’s true”.

But where on Wikipedia? The trash part of it? The version of Wikipedia where the edits were tampered with an reversed? What page?

You don’t look for information about spoilers, Jump Festa, movie information, or w/e from an anti-thread on 2chan.You go to sections called the “Manga Chat” or there’s a thread called “Weekly Shonen Jump Spoilers” where they throw out manga spoilers for everything in the magazine. That’s what they are reading. In between Food Wards, Bleach, One Peice, there might be a few sentences about Naruto.

Why would I walk into the 2chan anti-thread about the last to ask them for spoilers? Or have a non-biased opinion on their review? It’s a whole thread circlejerking on hate.

There’s Hinata thread, Sasuke threads, Naruto, or w/e on within the Weekly Shonen Jump Spoiler threads, all sorts of things on 2chan.

That article that you linked to with “proof” of the ticket refunds has no links directing to 2chan at all. You just keep saying it.

Where is the actual link? Where is the actual Japanese raw text? You can easily pretend to be a rando Japanese person on tumblr. Plus, that empty movie seating thing was debunked on NF. That screencapture shows no movie time, what city, or anything. It’s a picture with no context. How do I know it’s actually a Naruto theater?

You said 2chan said it, so where’s the proof? Where is the link to where they said “no-refund-policy”.

Uchiha Luna (3 years ago)

The mind chooses what it wants to see after all.
Sigh. We can never see the real author, can we? I can’t help but feel betrayed by those interviews and the execution of the last Naruto stuff not because it didn’t go the way I want it, but because of the inconsistencies making me me feel like everything is just a blatant lie.
It is as if he does not care anymore than he did in the past.

Anon (3 years ago)

I came here from your tumblr expecting you to finally post real evidence to back yourself up… And you didn’t.

Post the Japanese poster that said no refunds on the preorder tickets. Post a link to the movie theater that says no refunds. Heck, link to 2chan where it says so.

Some random screenie about an unrelated event from 2009 is illogical in your argument. You’ve cleared up nothing at all. You just made a half assed attempt to save what’s left of your reputation and fumbled it hard.

You want to clear shit up? Post a direct link to your source. Burden of proof is on you because you started the rumor and can’t back yourself up. You’re digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Kelly (3 years ago)

So your sources are a rando Japan friend, probably also biased from narusaku.com, who does not say where exactly on 2chan she is reading from. You act like 2chan is one entity and its not. That’s like cherry picking a quote from the anti Kishimoto tumblr and saying its a fact?

Where is this policy? Who said so? The movie theater? SP? online vender promo? Which online ticket reservation company? Please, you haven’t provided evidence for that either.

And an article that has screen captures with no labels on it, no theater links, or dates to indicate that it’s a theater showing the last? Please. What did that person crop it from? Why won’t they showit on the screencap instead of English they claim it is what it is?it tells me nothing.
If it was strong evidence. Why crop out the important evidence like the exact showtime and screening? Suspicious.

Flimsy evidence. Not even a good attempt at discrediting NF translators.

Cry harder next time before you write such posts to perpetuate false narratives.

Rex Julius (3 years ago)

Also Chatte, don’t you think that it was spineless to delete my comment?

But okay, I’ll writte it again!

Dear Chatte, if you take a look at the page you linked and censored with pink (probably your own profile), you could see that those “Information” from 2chan were mostly fake:
1.No desire for Shikamaru for romance -> ShikaTema cannonised.
2.Sakura will be more heroine-like from now on -> didn’t do anything until chapter 631 aka for 4 years.
3.Next year will be Kakashi’s year -> never happened.
4.Something big will happen to Taka and Sasuke -> nothing happened (because nobody died).

So yes, 2chan is truly only for trolling or uploading pictures. ;P

About the movie.

Yahooo = has been trolled by NS fans.

Creating japanese yahooo and twitter accounts is not a big deal, anybody can do that with using google translator and the majority of the “bad reviews” on Yahooo are also written by google translator (kanji, katanaka and hiragana errors).

Also, would you explain how could it be 500 reviews if according to the watched/viewed number only 100-110 person saw the movie. ;P

About the creditibilty of the negative hating comments, 99% of them not only copypasted directly from 2chan but also were only ranting about “Hinata fuck you, fuck you Kishimoto, NaruHina sucks”, and none of them mentioned anything about the movie itself like visuality, music ect. Oh, wait, there was one arguing about the chakra cannon of Kumogakure, forgetting that the cannon was built 2 years after the war. XD But the legendary “Kakashi would never sending people to a dangerous mission only basing on his 6th sense” crap, while forgetting that the “real Kakashi” was able to believe that a tiny little speech will make Sasuke forgetting about revenge and believing that Sakura woudln’t try to join into his and Sasuke’s fight. ;P

And the best about “yahooo rantings”, that when I tried to check the profiles of those who wrotte bad about them, most of their accounts were already deleted! Should I even mention that tons of them copypasted the same crap from each others? XD

About the no refund, maybe someone who lived in luxury didn’t know, but because of piracy cinemas has created a tons of laws to protect their money. Don’t you think that piracy could be an element of your still didn’t proved “no refund” crap? Would you finally link an information about it from official anime sites please? Because as many fake interviews are on tumblr it is not a believable source. ;P

“Trustworthy translators”, you mean those NS translators who denied to translate the spoilers of chapter 699 and chapter 700 because of NH and SS happened?

About misleading false advertising, didn’t the misleading advertising of RTN with the fake advertising of Sasuke, Kakashi, Hinata and “Konoha 11″ the same as here? What am I talking about! In The Last Sasuke at least do something important instead of standing in one place (saving Konoha from a giant meteor as big as Konoha) and even Kakashi does soemthing (saving Naruto’s co from the stupidity of the Raikage).

Not mentioning about “misleading”, who was the one who lied into the face of NS fans that the movie will be a NaruSaku movie? Oh, yeah, it was you. ;P

Oh, and about how much the movie is a “failure”:
1.While RTN started at 3rd place then fell out after it’s third week from the top 10, The Last not only got the 1st place that only the Ninja Clash In The Land Of Snow managed, but got the 2nd place too and stayed withing the top 10 for 5 weeks and only fell out after it and even only to the 11th place. ;P
2.Despite all of the NS trollings, the box office of The Last didn’t reduced, infact, it is now officialy around 1.9 billion yen (according to churchyll, it was 1.75 billion yen at the end of 2014 december) and not only has the movie 4-5 weeks in japan left, but since they added the foreign showing box offices to the final box office of RTN, they will surely do the same to The Last, and the The Last will be shown in the USA + Brasil + Australia + New-Zeland + Thailand + Singapore and so on. Oh, wait, I forgot: they will showing in Asutralia again because the first time was already a succes. ;P
3.While the only site you can show up is Yahooo, eiga, moviewalkerplus, anikore and other official movie and anime sites giving decent and good reviews. Also, there are no “bad reviews” on youtube, but not even on niconico.

So, that’s all about The Last, the movie is a succes and only yahooo has “bad rating” because of NS trollings there’s nothing to complain about it. ;P

    Anonnnn (3 years ago)

    Yeah. NH and SS fans on tumblr wrote logical reponses to her argument and she refuses to show them on her blog here.

    She deletes comments that she can’t respond to. She knows that she got caught spreading lies and won’t face the backlash of getting called out by virtually everyone outside of NaruSaku.com. And especially won’t take the harsh criticism of her arguments from NF, which is the largest international Naruto forum. She rejects translations from them and only believes them from the 3 “translators” from that NS site. One or two of them can’t even type in proper English and jumbles up the sentences. They’re not good, and it’s laughable that they call themselves “translators”.

    NF has dozens of translators, that translate plenty of other shit that has nothing to do with pairing. So how are they “biased” when all their translators on NS.Com do is only shipping stuff? Hypocrite!

    Anon (3 years ago)

    Yeah. NH and SS fans on tumblr wrote logical reponses to her argument and she refuses to show them on her blog here.

    She deletes comments that she can’t respond to. She knows that she got caught spreading lies and won’t face the backlash of getting called out by virtually everyone outside of NaruSaku.com. And especially won’t take the harsh criticism of her arguments from NF, which is the largest international Naruto forum. She rejects translations from them and only believes them from the 3 “translators” from that NS site. One or two of them can’t even type in proper English and jumbles up the sentences. They’re not good, and it’s laughable that they call themselves “translators”.

    NF has dozens of translators, that translate plenty of other shit that has nothing to do with pairing. So how are they “biased” when all their translators on NS.Com do is only shipping stuff?

    Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

    Dude you’re not gonna convince her all the facts you’ve posted have been posted before and have gone over her head in favor of her delusion that somehow “The Last” failed. No one actually believes her to be honest if you look at her comments more often than not it’s people calling her out on her bullshit. To be honest I only read her articles for some cheap laughs and as a sort of oddity. You give her re-searchable proof and she “disproves” it with condescending “Yes, dear” comments like if talking to us like children automatically gives her the high ground.Just sit back and enjoy the saltiness.

      Rex Julius (3 years ago)

      You know, it would be the least problem.

    Bacon with fries (3 years ago)

    Basically this. NSfags couldn’t have lost more badly than this. Seriously, it’s a fucking slaughter. The fact that they’re mostly teenagers or manchildren with a stupid obsession over a bad cartoon (although good back in the days) doesn’t help either. Get over it. Try new stuff. Grow up.

nSForlife (3 years ago)

Congrats on getting engaged Chatte.

Denial (3 years ago)

“Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

LOL. We can see you approving other people’s comments and not the ones that call out out on your BS. It’s on tumblr already, all these screen captures of people waiting hours for you to “approve” their comments, and all these pro-NS and anti-ending ones just pop up in the comments right away.

People are laughing their shit at how you’re being biased RIGHT ON YOUR OWN PAGE.

You’re scared of the people showing you the facts, asking logical questions, and calling you out (rightfully) on your BS.

So what do you do? Censor the truth and pushing your delusions as a subtitution. What a joke!

Here. I’ll even take a screencapture to show more people on tumblr how this comment won’t even show up on your page.

Links to theater refund policies. Notice how it applies to ALL MOVIES IN THE THEATER. It doesn’t single out “THE LAST” . There’s no “Special No-Refund Policy” just for the Naruto movie. It’s a blanket policy for ANY MOVIE that’s shown for the movie. It’s a no-refunds given REGARDLESS OF WHAT MOVIE THAT YOU WATCH.

https://www.tohotheater.jp/

And here:

http://www.cinemafrontier.net/cgi-bin/pc/showfile.cgi?tgttmp=trade

And here:

http://www.aeoncinema.com/eseki/pc/law.html

Go find a biased translator who says that somewhere in that text, it says that applies only to the Naruto movie. Because even googletranslate can tell me that this policy has been in effect way before the movie came out, and it applies to all movies in the theater.

So here’s an example of what “real sources” are that are beyond 2chan. Because there’s the business itself and it’s webpage, the Japanese raw, and everyone can see them for themselves.

You got caught spreading a lie. Own up to it.

NF, tumblr, and even the 2chan thread about foreign crazies that mentioned you are laughing their heads off about how you’re portraying the western fandom as disrespectful because you’re in denial.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    LOL, your sources don’t prove anything

      LOL (3 years ago)

      So it takes you 4 days to approve comments that are dissenting to your own opinions, and yet only hours to approve random comments that support you?

      What a hypocrite you are, Chatte.

      You should start responding to those links to actual theater refund policies now.

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        Sorry for having a life.

        guy (3 years ago)

        Sorry my friend , you are mistaken . My comment didn’t even had to be approved , i already commented in this blog before in another topic and was approved over there , so i basically don’t need to be approved anymore ;)

Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

This is so sad. She’s so fucking transparent it makes my head hurt before the ending of the manga she was happily waiting for ship that Kishi himself stated was nothing more than red herring to throw the readers off the pairing he meant to use from the beginning. I’d actually feel annoyed if she’d just admit she’s bitter because one unimportant aspect of a 15 year long story didn’t go her way, but I guess it’s more entertaining this way.

Guy (3 years ago)

LOL you SS/NH fans are really salty to come and attack Chatte in her own blog aren’t you guys /laughs/

still lets considerate somethings…
1- NF is biased, there are only NH/SS over there now, takl is an example, before he was regarded as a neutral translator but as of now after refusing to translate the sentence where kishi himself says NH is a pity pairing and disregarding the fact that junko told kishi t shut up as fans rumor
2- What are you guys beefing with 2ch? Back then everybody used 2ch as a source, is it because there are people that didn’t liked the ending over there? Welll its normal, every sane naruto fan didn’t liked the ending
3- And also really, so much butthurt over here…could you guys at least take of your pairing lenses and take the ending for what it is? All this pairing bullshit has blinded you guys, its sad, you can’t see how these shipping glasses are affecting your objective view on things

Its okay to like the canon pairs but, at least be consistent with it and be a person able to criticize how the thing turned out instead of a brain dead useless pairing parrot who keeps spewing BS from left and right. LOL

    Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

    Well said, but let me add something. Sources aside for every article she posts you can find another of the opposite side. Kishimoto didn’t say “pity pairing” per se, it was closer along the lines of “If Hinata had loved Naruto for all those years and didn’t win it would be a pitiable ending and inconsistent with the message of the story” ie; Shounen archetype. People like to bring up that interview but always forget that he also said NaruSaku was never gonna happen and was only there as a red herring for NH. He also said that Sakura abandoning her love for Sasuke would make her detestable woman. I’ve never read Junko’s interview so I can’t comment but I’ll look into the raw and see what she really said.

    Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

    The only salty fans are you NS shippers who sent death threats to the author. Chatte is a fucking hypocrite she claims she is done with Naruto but keeps writing about it.

      Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

      Oh you seem to awfully sound a lot like someone from my FB page that tried to suggest the same thing only because he doesn’t know how to make a difference between two things. So I am just going to copy-paste here my quote, aka what I said to the person who tried to insinuate the same thing:

      “Yes, I am done with this franchise from now on, I won’t support it anymore. However, for someone who has been around here as well as on my blog, you should’ve also seen the part where I said I will be reviewing The Last, I am just waiting to see the movie and also keep people up to date with news.
      Different things. “.

        Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

        Your review of The Last was not objective or balanced it was biased you stated it was horrible because of the pairings. You even theorized for the final chapters the characters were still trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi. All of the information you post just bashes Naruto’s character, disparages the final volume cover for no reason and how Naruto is bad because the romance did not end the way you wanted. When it comes to the Naruto series you pretentious NS fan and the Queen of the Sakuratards.

          Vic (3 years ago)

          The storyline was divided between violence drama, romance and comedy. The fact that romance goes against everything Naruto beliefs or the goals he set to do.. it what you and the others don’t want to see..

          Most the commentors here dont want to see how damaging Hinata ending was. One major fact is that she was introduced so late in the storyline when the romance part had been established. Which dismisses what Naruto set out to do as well all other characters finished what the were set to do.. Hinata’s path is unclear yet she ended with Naruto..Why was she better the Sakura.. how can Naruto fall in love with someone who never stood up for her beliefs and just shy away..someone who was only in the background melting over him..While its true Sakura was not melting over him she was healing him she became a medical nin to support Naruto and Sasuke yet Sasuke left and she still support Naruto.. she learn to care for him it was shown many times.. You can care for someone and stay as friends but you can also step over the line and fall for each other and all was getting to that point.

          Before any new pairing they had to be a complete break up of the old pairing and that was not done properly.. that is very clear the movie should have focus on how both Naruto and Sasuke ended with who they ended, the closing of chapter 3, and not the crap that was shown or has been told on spoilers.. and already watch a webcam of the movie well partially and already saw something that never happen with a recycle scene..

    TTrasengan (3 years ago)

    @Guy Pairings aside the story turned out fine, did it feel rushed? Yes to me it felt rushed. More could’ve been done with Sasuke and how he changed through his fight with Naruto is one example. Either way though, overall it was good. Tell me, from an objective standpoint, why do you believe the ending was bad? I want to know how your opinion isn’t sour grapes about NS not happening.

      Guy (3 years ago)

      @TTrasengan
      I was writing a big LAP when I accidentally made a stupidityand closed the page so I will put the main points here

      – Story was already shitty thanks to the mess that was war arc, ending was just the cherry on top
      -699 in Sasuke’s POV in my opinion did a disservice in what could be Naruto ( the main hero ) refecting on everything that happened
      – ( Not talikng about SS here, but Sakura’s character) Sakura character’s regression, she being portrayed as the same meek and insecure girl when around Sasuke, so basically regarding this aspect nothing changed since part ‘…and this is bad. Was it so hard to show sakura’s character with a little more assertivenes and confidence regarding Sasuke? This just proved the haters right whent they say she was always going to be Sasuke’s doormat
      – 700 suffering with these
      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenerationXerox
      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BabiesEverAfter
      – 700 not being really an ending but a setup for part 3
      – Naruto being portrayed as a neglectful father, just for the sake of conflict for part 3
      ( where did his empathy go?)
      – A lot of ugly errors and inconsistences on the chapter’s art…it looked like Kishi wasnt even caring anymore
      – Sakura being a housewife. Now don’t get me wrong, there is nothing wrong about being a housewife, but for a kunoichi such as sakura whose dream was to catch up to her teammates this was pretty underwhelming.
      Couldn’t Kishi put her in a hospital at the ending or something?
      – Retcons and Asspulls , a lot of them , I’m not going to specify them because some of them enters the pairing territory. But one of those retcons is the destiny thing and how it was handled in part 1 and war arc
      – InoShikaChou laziness, The same thing repeating for a third generation, also laziness in handling Ten Ten and Rock Lee ( aka: generation Xerox)
      – Lack of explanation on why kakashi became hokage, Tsunadde looked fine in 700 and not old at all if you ask me
      – Lack of used potential in Naruto and Hinata, We didn’t see Naruto achieving his greatest moment of victory, and we didn’t see how or if Hinata became clan leader and managed to change the Hyuuga
      – Lack of explanation on how Naruto achieved peace. What did he do to destroy the cycle of hatred? By my interpratation, the true hero is Obito since he created a war that finally united the 5 nations against a common enemy.
      – Lack of explanation on why Sasuke gave up on his goal of changing the corrupt ninja system. I mean he was right, the ninja system did some pretty horrible things and Sasuke was justified in wanting to destroy it, its just that his method was wrong and in the end we didn’t got a explanation if he’d given up on this goal or not. ( Which is OOC if he did)
      – Sudden technology
      I mean seriously wtf happened?

      The problem with some pairing fans is that they are so blind by the fact that their pairings happened that they don’t see these simple things that make the ending “not okay”

      So yeah, if there is one word about this ending is “setup” since its clearly setting things up for part 3 while didn’t show the things the majority of the fans (and not the pairing ones) wanted to see

        SasukeFTW (3 years ago)

        We had Narudo’s POV for 698 chapters a chapter about Sasuke and what he thought is 1000 times better than Narudo, it shows how his feeling changed now I think most people would have liked the chapter longer so we could see the reaction of the Shinobi Alliance being freed but oh well.

        Sakura didn’t have any “regression” she asked to go with the man she loves since he is no longer evil and will accept her feelings never understood why there was so much hate for her in this chapter.

        Narudo isn’t neglectful he has a job to do and Bolt is a whiny brat that doesn’t understand you can’t compare his childhood to Narudo he has his mother,though it is obvious it was set up for plot and Narudo the master of Shadow Clone shouldn’t have any problems with it so this is stupid.

        You obviously have a problem with Sakura being a “housewife”. There is no conflict therefore there is no need for her to be at the hospital. And I used housewife in quotes because she is shown to be CLEANING her house what do you want the house to be like Narudo room or maybe she just WANTED to be a housewife.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Yeah, Naruto for 698 chapters loved Sakura and coulndn’t live without Sasuke, yet in the Last he’s perfectly okay with this. Naruto also seems to be perfectly okay with how screwed-up the ninja system is, the same ninja system that brought him and Sasuke in the states they were prior to this horrible ending. Hell of a conclusion for an important characteristic of the manga you’ve got there.

          And Sakura whose biggest wish was to be on equal foot with Naruto and Sasuke was shown as housewife. Quite the accomplishment. I have no problem with her being a housewife, I have a problem with her being reduced to one. Two different things that what you’re trying to imply here. And also, it’s not like that love of hers wasn’t portrayed negative all throughout the manga so give me a break with your excuses, honestly.

          Have a good day, thank you!

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @SasukeFTW
          “Naruto POV for 698 chaps”
          Untrue Sasuke was the main MC in some arcs. And giving Naruto the last thoughs kishi could have shown how and what lessons Naruto lkearned through his journey Sasuke had his itrospection already in chap 698

          “Sakura didn’t have any “regression” ”
          She never changed from being the same meek insecure girl around sasuke, her love for him was badly done and never explained.
          It was a regression from early part 2 sakura where she showed herself confident and strong.
          If SS was supposed to happen was it difficult to portray her in a better light, kishi?

          “Narudo isn’t neglectful he has a job to do and Bolt is a whiny brat ”
          Put yourself on Bolt’s place, have you ever wanted attention from your father and he neglected you because of “work”? I never knew Naruto would become someone so focused on work, it looks so OOC compared to his character (even in times of war other kages arranged time so they could stay with their family and such, hell the first spoiled Tsunade)
          But you are right this conflict is a setup for part 3, just like all the “ending”

          “You obviously have a problem with Sakura being a “housewife”
          I believe Chatte explained quite well, being housewife is not a problem per see, but this was pretty bad considering what was sakura’s character main goal in canon ( reach up to her teammates), i mean she was tsunade’s apprentice and now she is fighting dusty bunnies? Tottaly underwhelming
          :/

          But its no surprise when you see how bad this series portrayed its females characters

Guy (3 years ago)

@TTrasengan
I was writing a big LAP when I accidentally made a stupidityand closed the page so I will put the main points here

– Story was already shitty thanks to the mess that was war arc, ending was just the cherry on top
-699 in Sasuke’s POV in my opinion did a disservice in what could be Naruto ( the main hero ) refecting on everything that happened
– ( Not talikng about SS here, but Sakura’s character) Sakura character’s regression, she being portrayed as the same meek and insecure girl when around Sasuke, so basically regarding this aspect nothing changed since part ‘…and this is bad. Was it so hard to show sakura’s character with a little more assertivenes and confidence regarding Sasuke? This just proved the haters right whent they say she was always going to be Sasuke’s doormat
– 700 suffering with these
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenerationXerox
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BabiesEverAfter
– 700 not being really an ending but a setup for part 3
– Naruto being portrayed as a neglectful father, just for the sake of conflict for part 3
( where did his empathy go?)
– A lot of ugly errors and inconsistences on the chapter’s art…it looked like Kishi wasnt even caring anymore
– Sakura being a housewife. Now don’t get me wrong, there is nothing wrong about being a housewife, but for a kunoichi such as sakura whose dream was to catch up to her teammates this was pretty underwhelming.
Couldn’t Kishi put her in a hospital at the ending or something?
– Retcons and Asspulls , a lot of them , I’m not going to specify them because some of them enters the pairing territory. But one of those retcons is the destiny thing and how it was handled in part 1 and war arc
– InoChikaChou laziness, The same thing repeating for a third generation, also laziness in handling Ten Ten and Rock Lee ( aka: generation Xerox)
– Lack of explanation on why kakashi became hokage, Tsunadde looked fine in 700 and not old at all if you ask me
– Lack of used potential in Naruto and Hinata, We didn’t see Naruto achieving his greatest moment of victory, and we didn’t see how or if Hinata became clan leader and managed to change the Hyuuga
– Lack of explanation on how Naruto achieved peace. What did he do to destroy the cycle of hatred? By my interpratation, the true hero is Obito since he created a war that finally united the 5 nations against a common enemy.
– Lack of explanation on why Sasuke gave up on his goal of changing the corrupt ninja system. I mean he was right, the ninja system did some pretty horrible things and Sasuke was justified in wanting to destroy it, its just that his method was wrong and in the end we didn’t got a explanation if he’d given up on this goal or not. ( Which is OOC if he did)

The problem with some pairing fans is that they are so blind by the fact that their pairings happened that they don’t see these simple things that make the ending “not okay”

So yeah, if there is one word about this ending is “setup” since its clearly setting things up for part 3 while didn’t show the things the majority of the fans (and not the pairing ones) wanted to see

Vic (3 years ago)

Love it how people like that Naruto ended as liar went back on his word and the plot that started the whole romance idea never got solved.

I just saw glimpse of the movie is on a bad cam on anilinkz .. I can’t helped but laught at how they copy Kushina and Minatos first meeting lol. Not even making it an original scene but a copy of it…as well as destroying the hilarious nose bleed by Iruka Sensei over Sexy No Jutsu..

So I guess Naruto did all the stuff he did cause he love Hinata.. not cause he loved Sakura.. That is really how the last movie puts the entire storyline..

For those hung up on childhood crushes some of the best known romances were or started as childhood crushes..Pretty much people don’t wanna see it.. don’t wanna belief but is the writers fault for introducing a love triangle and never closing it and that is where Naruto ends as a liar.. Not fighting over Sakura not confronting her with his feelings is where he goes back on his word. So far Naruto has lied x2 in the story to the same person he portrayed a lie in chapter 3 and later on he said he does not belief in liars many chapters later..

Final thought why put this type of hints in the manga page 6 chapter 663 and then 30 chapters later 693 same page.. one heart saves one heart kills.. so why is Kishimoto playing mind games..This is clear mind games..Everybody can do cpr but open heart cpr only someone with years of medical training can do it.. and on site only someone with small hands not to damage anything or the heart as it has to go below the ribcage.. and last is a very small chance to come back to life.. Which one page depicts love in all different levels and the other depicts hate at its worse we all know no one can survive from a blow to the heart that pierce the body and for all dismissing it was a genjutsu… doesn’t matter it as real as it happens to the person under it..

    Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

    Do you have anything that does not confirm you are obsessed with pairings? Sakura loves Sasuke and Naruto gave his oath he would rescue Sasuke not make Sakura love him. Sakura is worse liar than Naruto is but I hear no mention of it. She promised she would help Naruto rescue Sasuke and failed to achieve anything worthwhile. CPR does not equal to a true kiss if you think that you
    are disgusting. Chapters 540 and 693 reiterate that Sakura loves Sasuke. That is not a mind game those are Sakura’s real feelings. She loves Sasuke despite his crimes.

      Vic (3 years ago)

      Lol Sakura only loves Sasuke over a lie.. you are too blind to see that.. go to chapter 3.. is the same freaking idea over and over in the entire storyline.. Naruto loves Sakura but she is blinded by the lie portrait by Naruto and Sasuke doesn’t love her at all..as well is clueless why she love him so much.. why cause idiot Naruto told him as Sasuke clone he would kiss her forehead..that is the bases of Sakura loving Sasuke her fantasy transform in reality by prince charming who was the frog in disguise ..

      What is digusting is that you think cpr only involves mouth to mouth resuscitation .. which can be taken as a kiss of life not of love..but dismissing the fact that it should have been Hinata the one to do it not Sakura and going to extreme measures to do keep him a live only puts Sakura or establishes her as the main Heroine for once..the fact that it was copy from a movie involving two people that reassured they were in loved. Afterwards 30 chapters later same page but doing a kill rather then save?
      one heart saves over love and other kills over hate..I guess you are hard on picking up hidden meanings..one page shows life and the other shows death.. or love and hate.. take your pick..regardless both pages use a main item a heart..

      Your assuming is pure love but is not is love bound by a lie portrait by someone who does love her..
      I have seen worse a story of someone who loved her rapist and he did it because he was drunk and in love with her thinking he would never end up with her.. its a very powerful love story not for the weak of heart or mind..

        Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

        Sakura loves Sasuke she confirms that in chapter 181 when she confesses her love for him, begs him stay in the village or promises to assist him in his revenge. She confirms it again in 540 when someone tries to confess to her, she states there is someone else and is thinking about Sasuke. Chapters 469 and 471 have Naruto and Sai state she loves Sasuke and is going to kill him to prevent him from sinking any lower. Chapter 484 has her failing to kill him because she still loves him. CPR is not a kiss it is a means of keeping someone alive until they can receive proper medical treatment. Gaara and Tsuande ordered Sakura to keep Naruto breathing so he could obtain the Yin half of Kurama of losing the Yang Half. Sakura has and will always love Sasuke. Despite his sins she forgave him and she is the mother of his child. The only idiot around here is you.

          Vic (3 years ago)

          I am not an idiot but you are a blind fool just like Sakura loving someone who can never return love for he is bound to hate over power.. Haguromo 693.. Go yell bomb on a plane and see if people will be that forgiven .. go threaten 5 presidents see if you will be pardon..

      Vic (3 years ago)

      The promise of life time he did to give Sakura hope.. what idiot does a promise of life time to bring back his rival? Everything Naruto did was for Sakura to make her happy even if it makes him miserable.. he did nothing for Hinata in terms of love upto the end of 699..

      In reality Sakura did not know who she loved nor she or Naruto were shown discussing it.. what was shown was each other lying to when talking to Sai and putting the war above all else..

        Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

        The Naruto series has nothing to do with the real life. Sasuke was pardoned by the Shinobi Alliance for his crimes because of the actions that contributed to the defeat of Madara, Kaguya and released the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          “Naruto’s series has got nothing to do with RL”

          You are mistaken, ex: Sakura’s character is said to be by kishimoto himself , the closest he could do to a real normal girl.
          And in the end he did a shit job at her character

    Light (3 years ago)

    What irritates me the most about pairing tards is that they are the same people that were eating up any bullshit and terrible writing that Kishi was pulling throughout the series. Which ranged from neglecting side characters and multiple subplots to assassinating the main character by having him forgive mass murders and become Jesus 2.0. They even believe Sakura is this great character when in fact she has no effect on the plot whatsoever. She was only relevant in the end do to asspulls and PIS. She could easily be replaced. Now all of a sudden, they want to be critics, when in fact they are just asshurt that their shitty pairing didn’t occur, the pairings don’t even have an effect on the main story anyway. Chatte, you are not fooling anyone.

      rayodeluz (3 years ago)

      light is right. the story had flaws before and how is and ending going to fix all that. I don’t like the ending and I don’t hate it.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        the story was already lacking quality through these later arcs, the ending had a chance to at least finish the series with dignity and call up nostalgia feelings in each Naruto fans making us rememeber why we watched Naruto in first place.

        But instead what the ending was? Just a pairing infested shit fest and basically just a setup for part 3, no cohesive conclusion and plot holes everywhere

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

Naruto would have gone to rescue Sasuke even without the promise of a lifetime. Sasuke is his best friend and he considers him a brother something he stated to Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Sai and Itachi himself. Sasuke himself confirmed Naruto is his closest friend and one of the few people who can understand him. Sakura promised Naruto she would help him rescue Sasuke. She is knocked out by genjutsu and contributes nothing to Naruto and Sasuke’s final battle. Naruto lost an arm and nearly died. Sakura confirms she loves Sasuke in 540, 693 and 699 before Sasuke leaves to wander the shinobi world. They have a family portrait with their daughter.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    Now i ask you, Why Sakura loves Sasuke, was i explained? Was it normal for a shallow love such as hers to continue like that for years and years?

    Her feelings regarding Sasuke are selfish, they never evolved, its horrible character progression and development

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      Sakura’s love for Sasuke was initially shallow as she infatuated with his appearance and attitude but she came to realize Sasuke was a damaged person and she wanted to be the person to help him heal from the pain of his traumatic past. She acknowledged that Sasuke appeared to be too irredeemable to be rescued but hoped that Naruto can get through to him and in their final battle he is successful. Sasuke realized the horrible actions he committed against Sakura and apologized. Sasuke told her she has her own life to live and redeeming himself for his crimes is his concern. Only when Sakura realized Sasuke had reformed does she believe there is an opportunity for them to be a couple. Her love for Sasuke was selfish but it gradually developed mutual romance

        Guy (3 years ago)

        If she wanted to be the person to heal him she failed quite spectacularly, and the same thing could be said if Sakura wanted just Sasuke’s friendship since Naruto also wanted to save Sasuke and didn’t do it out of some infatuation, but because of their deep friendship. So, she wanting to save him isnt really a strong motive for her falling really in love with him

        And also… mutual development? I think you mean mutual negative development, since SS interactions mainly from part 2 is full of them.

        Since you are obviously confused I will say what SS is:
        its just a badly done pairing, at first she is just a fangirl then in end of part 1 her “love” turns into something obsessive, to the point that its hard to say why Sakura is having deep feelings for Sasuke.
        At part 2, we just got indications of Sakura’s feelings regarding Sasuke back at the end of pein arc, and coincidentally its when her character began to get worse, her interactions with sasuke shows no reason why she kept loving him all this time , it shoes the worst of sakuras character turning her into a insecure, weak minded girl, and just see the ending, this hasnt changed.

        By the way Kishi developed SS its my strong belief that this pairing was just shoehorned for another kid for part 3, i mean the guy doesnt even know how Sasuke and Sakura got together lol

          Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

          Sakura is in love with Sasuke and the mother of his child. Nothing you say is going to change that. I am not confused in fact I am really not concerned with how Sasuke and Sakura became a couple. Naruto and Lee got over their crushes on Sakura, moved on and have families that care for them.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          She is in love with him of course, in not denying that ( even though its never properly developed or explained ) lol

          and just because something is canon doesnt mean its good, SS and NH are prime examples

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

Sakura was stated to an example of human weakness in the beginnings of the series. By Part II she is anything but a normal girl she is expert medical ninja and one of the assistants to the Hokage. I thought you were a fan of Sakura why are you attacking her now?

    Guy (3 years ago)

    you are talking about her physical characteristics, and about that, its impossible to remain “NORMAL” in a shounen

    but he specifically says he tries to portray sakura as a real girl regarding her emotions, feelings and such, since he fails at depicting woman as heroines , so he focuses on their emotional aspect
    well turns out that he failed at depicting Sakura as a “real girl” too since no real girl would keep up with the level of abuse she took from sasuke and act with such insecurity around as sakura did

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      That is your biased opinion. Kishimoto also stated he never intended to create Sakura’s character in the first place it was suggested by his editor. Sakura is a real girl there are real life relationship of girls similar to her loving bad boys.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        Sasuke is also idea of the editor my friend, as it is the manga being about ninjas. Kishimoto wanted the manga to be about a ramen delivering boy.
        And yes he said that indeed, kishimoto doesnt know how to make good female characters, and he just proved

        Her relationhsip with the Sauce that was porteayed in the manga isnt the typical relationship with the bad boy, its the typical abusive relationship, that any sane woman would not want

          Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

          I knew you would say that but Kishimoto also mentioned he read other shonen manga to develop Sasuke’s character as a rival and foil to the protagonist and hero Naruto. He never did any of that with Sakura. The manga started out with the idea of a ramen delivery boy but it developed into something else. The change, of course, is a standard for all one-shots that turn into full serializations. That is something you fail to realize. Plenty of other shonen mangakas admit they cannot create female characters. Sasuke and Sakura were not couple so how could it be abuse?

          guy (3 years ago)

          Any relationship can be taken as abusive ,between friends, between family , and so on

          Naruto story exists thanks to yahagi ,kishimoto first editor and the one who truly made the story till the end of sasuke x itachi arc .
          So yeah kishimoto didnt research anything most likely , he always followed his editors words
          Just look
          http://www.saiyanisland.com/2014/11/interview-with-naruto-creator-and-founding-editor/

Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

All these arguments have been done to death in hundreds of forums everywhere so bringing them up here is a moot point. The ending happened get over it Hinata never stopped loving Naruto, Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke. Whatever Sasuke did was when he was driven by his hate shouldn’t be held against him after Naruto wrecked him. How does anyone know that Sakura is just a housewife? All these arguments I’ve seen before and it’s just opinion, conjecture and nothing else from people blinded by their bitterness or haughty from their pairing winning. Naruto looks like a good father to be just that he works. We didn’t see anything from Sakura indicating she’s “just a housewife”. We don’t know what’s going on with the Hyuuga so speculating negativity as fact is childish.

    guy (3 years ago)

    The fact we dont know is enough proof to say this ending was shit , and before you say this”But part 3 will resolve ”
    No, the naruto story is over ,it should have ended conclusively , if kishimoto is letting things for part 3, it just means he is trying to ensure more farming of the franchise

      Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

      I wasn’t gonna bring up part 3. Fact of the matter is I got my views and you have yours I’m not gonna try to change your mind to me NH was logical and it was a satisfying ending whatever nitpicks are brought up they’ve been countered same can be said for your views. The difference between you and me is that even before the chapter 700 I would’ve been happy with either girl winning because I can see both views objectively. To me the story was more than just a pairing war nitpick all you want to justify your dissent in the end all that matters is Naruto and Sakura are both happy.

        guy (3 years ago)

        But of course the story wasnt only about pairings ! Thats why im skeptical when people say they liked the ending because it was just “so good and satysfying” when it could have been a lot better executed

        I already pointed heavy flaws in the ending up there , by all means , read it with a open mind so you can understand that it was bad not only because of the pairings

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

That is your prejudiced argument. NS and LS were jokes it would not be possible if only one party has feelings for the other while they are in love with someone else. Sakura loves Sasuke not Naruto or Lee.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    Yes, because apparently girls cant change their feelings no matter what. And it amuses me when people say NS is comedy when its used for drama too, when LS never is

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      Girls can change their feelings but Sakura never did despite her harrowing circumstances. Sakura loves Sasuke, eventually marries him and they have a daughter. Naruto and Lee matured from their crushes and had families of their own.

        guy (3 years ago)

        Its strange because according to kishimoto girls cant change their feelings no matter what . He said it in a interview and sakura herself said it in the last

        This just proves he is sexist

        But im glad you dont have the same view as kishimoto girls, perhaps there is still hope for you

          guy (3 years ago)

          Sorry not “kishimoto Girls” , i wanted to say “kishimoto has ”

          Damn cellphone

          Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

          How is he sexist? Some people in both genders in the series do not change their feelings. Jiraiya fell in love with Tsuande his feelings remained unrequited. It was one of his regrets as he was dying. Ino had a crush on Sasuke but she eventually married Sai.

          guy (3 years ago)

          Just show how twisted he is for aplying that sexist logic into some of his characters but not into everyone , thank you for pointing his BS even more

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

The only person spouting BS here is you. Sakura loves Sasuke and that will not change. Ino moved on and found a new love. That is not sexist just differing characterization.

    guy (3 years ago)

    Why could ino move on when sakura couldn’t?
    What made sakura ‘s love special ? She was just another fangirl in the end , she didnt changed anything and remained the same spineless ,weak minded ,insecure girl regarding anything related Sasuke .
    Put any other sasuke fangirl in sakura’s place in team seven and you would get the same results…

    SS might have been canon, but this doesnt excuse the fact that it was terribly done

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

As I stated before I am not concerned with how SS became a couple. I am happy Naruto and Lee moved on from Sakura and eventually found their own happiness and families. Sakura is content as a mother of Sasuke’s children.

    guy (3 years ago)

    Oh , I understand now
    For you the destination was more important than the journey .
    I guess you just read the story for the pairings, nothing wrong with that, just glad you admitted already

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      I read the series because I liked the premise and the narrative. The only person obsessed about pairings is you.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        Doesnt seen that way really,
        if you liked the premise and the narrative b you would’ve been criticizing the series right now mainly because of the downhill quality of the recent arcs and the ending

        Instead I only see you stating that the important thing is that “SS happened no matter how, and that somehow everyone is happy”
        You looked like a pairing tard to me, no offense

          Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

          Who cares what you see you obsess that NS were the best couple. I liked how the story went even if the story has some flaws in it. The only reason you did not like it is because the pairing you wanted did not become official.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Since you like how the story turned out I can only reach the conclusion you only cared about pairings. Any story fan would have some critic regarding how the last arcs and the ending turned out

bwahaha (3 years ago)

your delusions chatte, complete my day. you do know there is a screenshot of your acct on NF trolling the ratings for the last. ahahahahaha

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Do I look like I care?

      red handed jill (3 years ago)

      you should, i saw that screenshot and here you are spewing stuff making it look like a fact, then you go on to your little nook and do everything you can to make it look like the last tanked. own up to your mistake

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        What screenshot are you even talking about? I am not spewing anything, my friend, I am just reporting and then giving my own opinions on the matter, two different things. If you don’t know how to make the difference, that’s not my plate, know what I mean?
        And lol, what mistake? If I’d be indeed a mistake and you’d see only me talking about this, then we would say, but you see, the problem is that I’m not the only one, there are many more others out there. But I guess you guys cannot live with this fact that people do hate this movie and had any right to. That people did react against it and still are, Japanese fans are still talking on Twitter saying why the movie is bad and what tricks SP/Kishi,etc etc try to play and so on and so forth since they screwed-it up with this movie. They may have made the biggest income and no one denies that but why is it that they still are asking for people to come and see the movie once again?
        If the movie would’ve been that good and would’ve treated the matters that they made people believe they would, no one would have a problem with this movie. But instead, they lied, made people buy pre-sales tickets only for them to find out later when they began showing their true colors and what this movie is about that oops, surprise, you cannot cancel your ticket.

        And so they said ok, we’re gonna see it but for what you did to us and for what the content of the movie is about we’re gonna “return the favor” aka vote the 1 star reviews which happened all over Yahoo Japan and not only.

        And I guess that this is what it bothers you, those of you pro-ending, that you had your victory and on the surface is bright and shiny but on the deeper level it’s nothing but dirt under the rug given what they had to sacrifice in order to make this horrible movie: aka pretty much rehash the entire series for Hinata to somehow fit into Naruto’s life because otherwise she cannot do it for herself.

        But hey, this is what goes for you and the target audience this movie was intended for. That doesn’t mean it goes for everyone. And it’s a thing you’ll have to learn to live with.

          missasan (3 years ago)

          let me be the one to remind you…you and your friends pasted the link for ratings in nf , just days after the movie’s release in japan , and you happily announced you’ll rate it WITHOUT seeing the movie. now as for your delusions on the no refund policy, i know a lot of people have asked you for legit source of this and still waiting. people have already disproved this with legit sources that the no cancel policy is applicable to ALL moviies. i know you can call me out by stating im being sour, we are canon so what the hell am i doing here, however, dont you think this kind of shit and misleading that you are doing causes misinformation to your own fandom. why cant you just state facts…..

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Me and my friends? I wonder who that is? And nice BS you’re trying to throw around. I haven’t been on NF in a very very long time, so try again. Me saying that I’ll rate the movie without seeing it? Where did you even read this I wonder? Maybe on the same NF I haven’t been in quite a while despite you saying I have? Hmm…Curious.
          Plus, don’t you see how stupid this sounds? How can one say he or she would be able to rate a movie without seeing it first and making their own opinions. Really now, that sounds nothing like me first of all, if you’d knew me, you’d knew how to make the fiasco more believable, and second of all, who knows who the fuck took my words out of context again, because that’s a trend I see nowadays happening in the NaruHina and SasuSaku fandoms, the “winners” who so can’t sleep out of my concern.
          Like you, apparently.
          As for the no-refunds policy, I have them the sources of 2ch, the same ources we’ve been all using for quite a while now but suddenly it’s dismissed ever since people there give legit reasons against this movie. And where did I say it’s just a policy applied for Naruto only? I reported that they complained about the fact that no refunds were allowed and called this a fraud! But not that this was the only movie they have done this to.
          So nice try, next time, try smarter.

          The problem is that people blame SP because SP knowingly of this fact, advertised the movie FALSELY catering especially towards the Sasuke and Kakashi fanbase, movie that doesn’t even focus on them since Sasuke is there for only few seconds and Kakashi is just shown sitting at his desk, no action, no nothing.

          So you see, that’s the real deal here, not what you’re trying to imply. But keep living in that world if it makes you feel better. In the end, you’re the one who will keep supporting the shit they threw at you, not me. So to each their own. Everyone is capable of doing their own decisions. The people I like to surround myself with are people that can make their own decisions and their own opinions based on what’s shown to them.

          And I’m sorry but The Last makes a full of itself as it is already. No matter what things we “invent” or not, according to you, it still won’t make it better nor more likeable by anyone, no matter how much one would try. People have their own opinions and their own tastes. The things that SP did are some things that are not included in some people’s dish, if you know what I mean.

          If you’re okay with it, fine. But learn to live with the fact that some aren’t and they’re not gonna be kept silenced about it if they feel like expressing themselves.

          Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

          Your opinions are biased you thought the final chapters were not real and they were still in the Infinite Tsukuyomi and that Hinata was married to Lee. You do not post information objectively you bash Naruto, the illustration booklet and even the final cover of the manga because your preferred couple did not become official.

          yourtsukiyomi (3 years ago)

          at least underneath our ship is CANON. what about your underneath the underneath? nothing but frustrations, delusions and attempts to make it seem like you guys are the victims in this. I hope you will atleast have the heart to be the bigger person (you cant NOT know that a lot of NS look/ follow you) and not post anything unless you have verified/ trusted sources but no~ you keep writing about these kind of stuff, purposely making it appear like these are facts and when people challenge you to provide sources – you throw that weak ass argument of why cant people just accept their ships and keep in their lane. and please don’t re-use that single picture on tumblr of a person tearing up the last poster over and over again to support your claim that majority of Japanese fans hated the Last, its embarrassing. regarding the no refund policy – like all the others before me – provide legit sources.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          When people ask me to provide sources, I provide them with sources, only that they don’t like what the sources tell them so they invent shit around. You’re saying it’s nothing but frustrations when in fact it’s just pure relating of what other people outside the canon fandoms think and giving an opinion. On the other side, you guys pretend it’s all okay and offer you’re so-called official sources when everybody knows how the media nowadays and marketing worlds operate, in order to make your ship’s canon status more valid given that everybody knows that in order for that ship to become even remotely considered valid and canon, the cores of the very characters had to be destroyed and their development reversed to their part 1 selves, as if no development has ever happened in this manga, which screams bad writing. And this is what ever other people that are not pro the pairings in the end say and with reasons very convincing for any person with some sort of dignity when it comes to this kid of writing.
          So you see, the problem is that your canon is hollow so you’re the ones who cannot be more than frustrated and jump at the throat of every other person out there who calls on the bullshit that it’s the end, given its prior 15 years of development. Because even you guys know we’re right and even you guys can’t sleep with this thought.
          The only thing you cling onto is your canon status, because that’s all you have. Too bad it’s hollow.

      Light (3 years ago)

      Well, when we consider your multiple attempts to make this movie seem bad in order to bring others into your delusional verse, indeed, you do care. Very much.

      passerby (3 years ago)

      yes, chatte, keep telling yourself that. and good luck to all the other people here tryin to knock some sense in her. this girl is too deep in her own genjutsu -_-;

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        Actually I’m just having opinions and posting them on my own blog minding my own business, unlike some other people who crave the need to impose their opinions everywhere they get the chance but hey… who am I to talk, right?

    ogupolice (3 years ago)

    no honey, not on NF. It was on NS.com, thats why I left. They were just too much.

      Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

      Okay. So, your point is? I don’t agree with everyone on NS.com either if that’s the case. We all have our opinions but at the grander scale of things it still seems that the majority agrees: this ending is BS.

        yawn (3 years ago)

        that imdb link circulated in ns.com and you guys rated it even before watching it. if our canon was too “shallow”, then why are you guys hell bent on making it seem like it flopped. too bad none of you figured out how to rig actual sales. “seems that majority agrees that the ending is BS”,you mean, majority of NS? no matter what you say and whatever “level headed” reasons you say, you know deep down inside you, it all boils down yo shipping. you wouldve been ok with the whole narutoverse being annihilated as long as NS is canon.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Yeah, circulated because we discussed the differences of opinion between the Western fandom and the Japanese fandom. Two different cases. But please, do make it seem like we did it that way if it makes you feel better. :)
          No, I don’t mean the majority of NS or else you’d see me interacting only with NS people when in fact, I interact with people from all fandoms. And also if it makes you feel better at night that I would’ve been okay with the whole Narutoverse being annihilated as long as NS is canon, go ahead.
          I know the truth that I wouldn’t, as it’s not the first series I leave behind when it turns too shitty. But hey, whatever makes you sleep good at night!

          knockknox (3 years ago)

          @chatte, really? is that what you and your NS friends tell your petty selves to justify your behavior, that the link circulated so you can have discussions regarding the difference of western and Japanese fans is an utter lie.. you know full well that link did not circulate so you can have discussions, you feasted on that link to rate the Last movie without even watching it in the hopes that your petty behavior will at least create a dent significant enough for the fandom to care.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Whatever suits your fantasies…

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

Abusive relationships exist in many forms and Sasuke and Sakura reconciled in the end after he apologized. You are not even sure if you are correct one editor is your source when Kishimoto still developed the narrative himself. You are disgusting.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    My problem is because sakura never ever standed up to him, in this abusive relationship (as yourself admitted) she just remained her insecure meek self and never changed

    thats some bad writing 101 and above all gives a bad message to abuse victims. Its disgusting

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      What is disgusting is your double standards with the abuse that occurs in series. Sakura threatens or assaults Sai, Naruto and Konohameru that is just comedy but suddenly Sasuke trying to kill Sakura is proof of sexism. The only bad writing is your selective condemnation.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        Trying to pass Sakura’s antics with her teammates which is clearly for comedy as abuse…really how can you be so pathetic?

          Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

          How am I pathetic when you admit your hypocrisy in gender relations? It is okay for Sakura to beat up men but Sasuke doing the same thing is horrible. You must be hate men since you think only women can be abused. If what Sakura did to Naruto is comedy how is it any different for Sasuke? You are revolting.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          What are you ? A parrot? Repeating the same argument I debunked before? LOL
          I will repeat again, slowly this time
          Sakura’s antics with her teammates are for comedic purposes, its a common anime trope, Naruto is always fine after her beatdowns its different from what happened when he received that beatdown from karui, he was all wounded later, that one was CLEARLY not for comedy.

          Now really can you call the sakura-sasuke interactions where he tries to kill her “comedic”? Because if you dont think its comedy then there is no point comparing sakura relationship wiith her teammates than the abusive one she had with sasuke

          Heyday (3 years ago)

          Hey Guy, I’m sorry to intrude but I wanted to complement a little bit your unflagging efforts. So I was wondering, how many times has Sakura actually hit Naruto? (Let’s keep this in manga territory, please, SP took many liberties with the story)

          The ones I recall:
          – After NaruSasu kiss.
          – After he called Lee bushy eyebrows.
          – After Konohamaru mistook her for Naruto’s gf.
          – Before Naruto attempts his new Sexy no jutsu.
          – After Naruto woke up from his fight with Orochimaru.
          – After his fight with Pein.
          – After his dad mistook her for Naruto’s gf.

          The last three were so light that I doubt anyone would think of them as “abusive”. This hopefully means that the only scenes that Jeff is concerned about are the others from which only one happened in the second part of the manga right in its very first chapter (i.e., like 400 chapters ago). Even if we disregard the fact that Naruto has no visible damage after the next two panels in ALL of the hitting scenes and the fact that Naruto is fond of teasing Sakura (pretty common in many love relationships), there has been so much development in the story of the so-called abusive Sakura after her last “violent” incident with Naruto that it’s nuts to see how people simply decide to ignore it.

          Could SasuSaku (I’ll just assume that Jeff is trying to defend that ship) have received similar treatment after the story ended? Maybe? I don’t know, how could I? It was NOT shown! And that’s the issue right there. Kishi spent the whole manga developing the relationship between Naruto and Sakura for no apparent reason at all! I mean, look at NaruIno, they had like one or two moments in the entire manga and yet by the end of the story we know that Ino now respects and acknowledges Naruto. Why couldn’t NaruSaku be like that? The only thing NaruSaku seemed to prove in the end was that that even a Sasuke “weirdo” that used to bully Naruto would eventually come to respect him. Just like NaruIno, or did it serve another purpose? Then why so much development?!

          Guy (3 years ago)

          You are exaclty on point Heyday, this is why NS (while not perfect) was the least damaging pairing to the series in a logical standpoint.
          All of their development pratically went to waste with Kishi resolution, that stupid “rivalry” thing tarnished one of the most important bonds of the MC .

reign (3 years ago)

the movie sucked only nh fans are happy, not even ss fans are happy because sasuke was only used to sell the movie and sakura is designated wingman while everyone else is pissed off because this aint the shit they were brought up with. this is what happens when you let companys make your movies.

and abusive realationships? umm they kill people for a living. since they were like 12 don’t compare to Irl domestic abuse it makes you look stupid.both sasuke and sakura have tried to attack eachother. so has naruto fyi.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    The main problem with sakura and sasuke relationship is sakura behavior, unlike naruto, she never standed up to sasuke no matter how suffering he brought her, she was alays meek and insecure. And as such it really looks like a parallalel to RL victims of abuse when they cant stand up to their abuser. Its sad really that in the end Kishi didnt even changed the SS dynamic, not even a little

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

Thanks for confirming your double standards. Let me state this you are a hypocritical misandrist. Neither Karui or Sakura beatings should be considered okay but one is fine because you think it is comedy but the other is horrible.

Sasuke relationship with Sakura is not abusive it is just as funny as what Sakura does to her friends. If Sakura can beat up Naruto for being an idiot then Sasuke attacking Sakura for bothering him is fair. Sasuke apologized for his violence, Sakura never has

    Guy (3 years ago)

    I do not THINK its comedy. It is COMEDY, its a fact, its a commom anime trope played just for the laughs

    And did you called Sakura and Sasuke relationship funny? …
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Seriously? Oh man this is precious. Oh my god hahaha so you actually laughed when Sasuke almost chidori’ed, kirin’ed, her? hen he almost let her fall into the lava? When he called her useless multiple times and made her depressed?
    You have problems

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    You’re bringing misandry in this when it has nothing to do with genders ffs. ALL this while excusing the fact that SS is abusive (on both sides I might add). Really? Wow, that’s a new low of double standards that I’ve been given to see…

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

How do I have problems when you are the one laughing and maintaining a double standard about abuse?
If it happens to men it is okay because they are idiots but if it happens to women it is horrible. The only person with problems in this debate is you.

What Sasuke does to Sakura is a form of humor he is annoyed by her and just like what she does to Naruto he expresses it through physical force, insults or ignoring her entirely. Sakura does the same thing to Naruto there is not much difference.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    Its not a double standart, the situation is completely different, as I already explained multiple times
    Just compare Karui beatdown on Naruto with the times Sakura hit him. And as @Heyday already wrote up there, in the manga there really wasn’t that much of sakura beating Naruto, the anime upped it to eleven

    “What Sasuke does to Sakura is a form of humor he is annoyed by her and just like what she does to Naruto he expresses it through physical force, insults or ignoring her entirely. Sakura does the same thing to Naruto there is not much difference.”

    Did you even read Naruto? *facepalm*
    Let me put this simple
    —–Naruto was never shamed or had his life threatened by Sakura’s actions——-
    You can say the same for SS?
    I don’t know about you but I didn’t laughed when Sasuke tried to stab Sakua

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      The situations are not different. Abuse should not be condoned in any circumstance. Karui and Sakura’s abuse were both horrible but you excuse Sakura while condemning Karui that is not being consistent.

      I read Naruto let me reiterate my statement:
      Sakura beat up and insult Naruto, Sai and Konohameru for being annoying, why is Sasuke being condemned for doing the same to Sakura. Sakura already had self-esteem problems so her being shamed is not Sasuke’s concern she could have told him to stop but she did not. Sasuke’s abuse of Sakura is a form of humor even if you perceive it as bad. I did not laugh at any of Sakura’s abuse. Sasuke apologized for his abuse something Karui and Sakura never did. Sakura forgave him.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        The situations ARE different, thats what the mangaka expressed, Sakura’s antics are comedic, if you are reading it in another way then you are reading wrong. I will say it again
        —–Naruto was never shamed or had his life threatened by Sakura’s actions (in fact he likes teasing her)——-

        Futhermore if you think Sakura’s punches are abusive then you’s have to agree that Naruto punching Bolt in the last chapter makes him an abusive father too ( which then makes the ending ten thousand times worse)

        Your defense of SS is laughable, please read the manga again , you are saying that Sakura being shamed by Sasuke is her fault somehow and that this is justifiable? WTF? Are you trying to excuse Sasuke’s actions? This is sick…
        But I liked how you admitted it that she never standed up to Sasuke, this is why SS makes such a toxic pairing, regard him Sakura remained insecure till the end.

        If you didn’t laughed at the obviously comedic scenes between sakura and naruto then its not my problem, you probably have some kind of twisted sense of humor anyway to think that sasuke trying to kill sakura is “okay” and was comedy.

          Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

          The situations are not different. Sasuke actions can be interpreted as comedy and Sakura’s form of abuse is considered twisted by people just like Sasuke. Sakura will beat up her comrades for disagreeing with her or for infractions that are very pretty.

          Naruto and Sasuke do have moments of abuse but they are honest in admitting their faults Sasuke apologized for his actions and Naruto acknowledged Boruto’s arguments though whether or not it will be fixed is a question left to Part 3, Sakura never expressed remorse for any of her abuse.

          The only sick person here is you Sasuke is horrible for his abuse but Sakura’s abuse is excused. Sakura already had poor self-esteem in her childhood and Sasuke’s allowing his insults to shame her is her problem not anybody else’s.

          Your sense of humor is more twisted than mine it is misandrist in its perspective men can be hit if they are idiots but if it happens to girls that is okay. Sasuke treatment of Sakura is similar to how she always treats Naruto.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          The situations are different, because that’s what the author intended, NS is the typical tsunderish comedic behavior typicla in a shonen anime. Yuyu Hakusho had it, DBZ had it, Ranma 1/2 had it, etc

          How you interpret Sasuke actions towards sakura as comedic is beyond me, maybe you are just sick in the head.

          The Naruto x Sasuke relationship could have been done better in the story but techinically it isnt as bad as SS because Naruto can stand up to Sasuke , he takes no shit from him, unlike Sakura. They are equals
          On the other hand , its disgusting how you try to excuse sasuke behavior towards her in the first place saying its her fault that’s its Sasuke insulting her, Its like saying that its the wife fault for being mistreat by her husband. THIS is what being sexist is

          Sakura’s abuse never shamed Naruto or anything she just beats him when he is being a pervert, rude or stupid, which adds for the comedic purpose . This is acknowledged in their universe by tenten in a episode of “rock lee and his ninja pals”. The only people who call sakura’s antics as abuse are the desesperate pairing tards who have their shipping glasses so far up their skulls they can’t see nothing, clearly this is your case

          It’s also hypocritic how you dismiss Naruto’s behavior towards Bolt and attacks sakura’s behavior, you also conveniently forgot all the times Sakura desmontrated care and worry for Naruto and the rest of her teammates.

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

Sakura’s bond with Naruto was never important it was always mentioned in regards to Team 7.
Naruto and Sasuke’s rivalry had more importance to the narrative than any ties he had Sakura. His bonds to Sasuke, Iruka, Jiraiya, Tsunade and Gaara were described in more detail.

Gaara and Sasuke were brothers to him because of their lonely childhoods or their status as pariahs because being demon containers.

Tsunade and Jiraiya were the grandparents he never had. He calls Tsunade Grandma and mentions he wanted Jiraiya there to witness when he became Hokage.

Iruka was a father he never had. He mentions that during his battle against Sasuke and Iruka was there to comfort him about Jiraiya’s death.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    Sakura’s bond with Naruto wasn’t important? Its one of the most important ones from the manga (granted in the end Kishimoto managed to ruin it by throwing that rivalry shit up there)
    But still we saw that bratty girl who hated the stupid boy to begin to respect him,care for him, and actually support him in regards to his dream.
    Just read the last part 1 chapters and the early part 2 ones, you need to refresh your memory

    And lol, of course, Naruto most important bonds are with Sasuke, Iruka, Jiraya, Tsunade and Gaara, then Sakura and after her, Kakashi. She is still important and precious to him for being one of the first persons to erase his loneliness ( together with the rest of T7)

    I kind of liked your comment though, you didn’t mention Hinata like some people wrongly do, because even though Hinata admired him early on she actually didn’t had the strenght to erase the pain that Naruto passed during his childhood

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

Sakura was not an important bond by herself she was mentioned as part of Team 7 so they were not close. Sakura promised Naruto she would help him rescue Sasuke and did nothing to fulfill that oath. She had no contribution to Naruto and Sasuke’s final battle he lost an arm and nearly died convincing Sasuke to reform she did nothing.

Naruto has a stronger bond with Sasuke and Gaara than he has with Sakura. The first people who erased his loneliness were Iruka and Sasuke because he describes them as being like family. Naruto cares about his all of his comrades Sakura is not that special.

He had more personal connection to his enemies than Sakura. Nagato and Obito
were major influences on his perspective of the shinobi world.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    “Sakura was not an important bond by herself she was mentioned as part of Team 7 so they were not close. Sakura promised Naruto she would help him rescue Sasuke and did nothing to fulfill that oath. She had no contribution to Naruto and Sasuke’s final battle he lost an arm and nearly died convincing Sasuke to reform she did nothing.”

    —The fact that she was useless in the end is the kishi’s fault for not developing her properly
    Glad we agree on that, thats why her ending with Sasuke made even less of a sense;

    But on the other hand you can’t say that her bond to Naruto was only related through team 7, just see the gaara’s recue arc again where she cries for the fact that Naruto’s existence is potentially doomed by the fact he is a jinchuuriki, or the time she CPR’ed and kept him alive just so he could continue his dream, or even back then at the first chuunin exam where she almost gave up on everything on the first test because if he failed Naruto wouldn’t b able to be hokage——

    “Naruto has a stronger bond with Sasuke and Gaara than he has with Sakura. The first people who erased his loneliness were Iruka and Sasuke because he describes them as being like family. Naruto cares about his all of his comrades Sakura is not that special.”

    —-Sakura is special too him, not only she is one of the first person to acknowledge him but she was his love interest for the entire manga until the last.
    Just watch the Naruto x Gaara fight again please.—-

    “He had more personal connection to his enemies than Sakura. Nagato and Obito
    were major influences on his perspective of the shinobi world.”

    —–Just the fact that some people were influence in Naruto’s way to see the world doesnt make them have closer bonds to Naruto than his own teammate.
    Saying people like Obito, Nagato (who Naruto never forgave) had a more close bond with him than sakura is laughable.—-

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

During Naruto’s battle against Gaara he mentions every member of Team 7 and how their recognition of him as a person not a monster or a lost cause contributed to his victory. Sakura received no special elaboration. She was one of his man precious people.

During his battle against Sasuke in the Valley of the End and several times in Part II he mentions he considers Sasuke to be a brother to him. Naruto states that Iruka and Sasuke were the first people who recognized him and they are like family to him.

In the Rescue Gaara arc Naruto considers Gaara to be like a brother to him through his actions lamenting he could not stop Akatsuki from killing and aiding in his revival.

Sakura’s love interest is Sasuke and it was her choice who she becomes a couple with. She chose Sasuke, they were married and had a daughter. Naruto had a crush on Sakura and he told Minato before he returned to the afterlife his search for a girlfriend was becoming complicated demonstrating his feelings were changing.

Sakura treating Naruto with medical ninjutsu is not anything special it is her obligation to keep her comrades alive and Naruto was the key to defeating Akatsuki in the war. Gaara and Tsunade ordered her to keep Naruto alive.

He may have not forgiven Nagato and Obito but he learned their philosophies and integrated them into his worldview in his dream to end the cycle of hatred in the shinobi world. Naruto accepted flowers from Konan and called Nagato his fellow disciple and honored Obito.

Naruto elaborated on several of his bonds with his friends, superiors, comrades and even his enemies. What is laughable is you make Sakura special when she was not she was part of a group.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    Go back to read the Gaara’s fight, he mentions Sakura specifically, he looks at her and gains strenght

    Iruka, Sasuke and the rest of team 7 are the first ones who reached up to him, yes. He thinks this multiple times during part 1

    I told you to read the Gaara’s rescue arc because over there Sakura expresses worry in the fact of Naruto being a jinchuriki almost to the point of tears

    Naruto love interest during the manga ( till 699.5) is Sakura, and this about his feelings changing is your own biased interpretation of Naruto’s words to Minato. In canon Naruto feelings for Hinata awakened thanks to a genjutsu in the Last

    You ignored all Sakura’s inner dialogue during the CPR scene, that was personal for her, she couldn’t let him die before he achieved his dream, this is clearly a example of the strenght of their bond

    Naruto came to respect the old Obito and understand Nagato’s intention, but this doesnt make their bond stronger than the one that Naruto had with his comrades

    Yes, Sakura is part of a group, team 7, the main group and the most important one to Naruto. Out of it, she is (in canon manga) one of Naruto most important friends, she developed from hating him, to respecting him, to liking and deeply caring about him, hell their friendship had potential of becoming something more according to databooks even.

    Its laughable how you try to undermine one of the main bonds of the manga

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      I read about Naruto’s battle against Gaara and he continually mentions Team 7 for being the first people to consider him as a person and him vowing to protect his precious people. It was Sasuke volunteering to sacrifice himself that inspired him to battle even more fiercely than he had when the battle started.

      Throughout the manga Naruto elaborates on bonds his with several individuals designating them as special. Sasuke is like a brother to him and Iruka is a father.

      In the Rescue Gaara arc Naruto laments his failure to rescue Gaara considering him a brother because of their shared burden. He was not concerned about Sakura’s tears he wanted to rescue Gaara because he was like family to him and Gaara reciprocates the gesture.

      Sakura’s love interest until the end of the manga (Chapter 700) is Sasuke. She gets married to him and has his child. I was not talking about the Last and you just confirmed that you are biased despite it being canon. I chapter 691 Naruto tells Minato he is not sure about the prospect of finding a girlfriend indicating he thinking about it.

      Medics in Naruto are obligated to heal their comrades. Her task was to keep Naruto alive because he was the key to winning the war. What she is thinking was not important Naruto’s health was the main priority.

      I never said his bonds with Obito or Nagato were stronger than all his comrades only Sakura. Naruto honored Obito and called Nagato his fellow disciple for the knowledge about the cycle of hatred that broadened his worldview. He elaborated on his relationships with those two specifically at different points in the manga. Sakura was always grouped with Team 7 or the Konoha 11.

      It is disgusting that you try to make his relationship with Sakura so special when his friendship with Sasuke and his surrogate family with Iruka are far more valuable. They ensured he never became evil and to never abandon his friends despite the crisis. Sakura never did that.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        I guess you lack reading comprehension too
        http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v15/c133/2.html
        Sasuke inspired him, just like Haku did. But his doesnt change the fact that his main reason to fight was Sakura . even Sasuke admitted this later

        I agree with this, Sasuke and Iruka were special to him , just like Sakura, Kakashi, Jiraya, etc

        He though Sakura was crying for Gaara when in the truth she was crying for him, the fact that Naruto brushed off doesnt change the fact that sakura was worried about him

        Yes, Sakura love interest is Sasuke, just like how Naruto love interest was Sakura till the last. Until the last 10 chapters anything could happen regarding the pairing since Kishi bascally played with everyone ( granted this made him develop SS and NH rather poorly)
        and once again this is your interpretation of Naruto’s words to Minato

        what she is thinking IS important, Sakura was not just doing her job to save the main hero of the war, Naruto is her close friend, what she tough at the moment wasn’t related to save him so he could help them at the war, she saved him just so he could survive to live his dream another day.

        Now you are saying that his relationship with Sakura is somehow beneath his relationship with his other comrades? LOL
        Just look at this
        http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v33/c299/13.html
        the name of this chapter is source of strenght
        Sakura is put together with Sasuke as Naruto main source of strenght.
        and just because Naruto understood Obito and Nagato this doesnt somehow make his elationship with them stronger than with a close comrade like Sakura

        Of course his relationship with Iruka and Saskue are far more valuable, mainly with Sasuke , its the main bond of the series.
        “They ensured he never became evil and to never abandon his friends despite the crisis. Sakura never did that.”
        LOL read chapter 296 again

          Guy (3 years ago)

          I guess you lack reading comprehension too
          -read chap 133, page 2
          Sasuke inspired him, just like Haku did. But his doesnt change the fact that his main reason to fight was Sakura . even Sasuke admitted this later

          I agree with this, Sasuke and Iruka were special to him , just like Sakura, Kakashi, Jiraya, etc

          He though Sakura was crying for Gaara when in the truth she was crying for him, the fact that Naruto brushed off doesnt change the fact that sakura was worried about him

          Yes, Sakura love interest is Sasuke, just like how Naruto love interest was Sakura till the last. Until the last 10 chapters anything could happen regarding the pairing since Kishi bascally played with everyone ( granted this made him develop SS and NH rather poorly)
          and once again this is your interpretation of Naruto’s words to Minato

          what she is thinking IS important, Sakura was not just doing her job to save the main hero of the war, Naruto is her close friend, what she tough at the moment wasn’t related to save him so he could help them at the war, she saved him just so he could survive to live his dream another day.

          Now you are saying that his relationship with Sakura is somehow beneath his relationship with his other comrades? LOL
          Just look at this
          -read chap 299, page 13
          the name of this chapter is source of strenght
          Sakura is put together with Sasuke as Naruto main source of strenght.
          and just because Naruto understood Obito and Nagato this doesnt somehow make his elationship with them stronger than with a close comrade like Sakura

          Of course his relationship with Iruka and Saskue are far more valuable, mainly with Sasuke , its the main bond of the series.
          “They ensured he never became evil and to never abandon his friends despite the crisis. Sakura never did that.”
          LOL read chapter 296 again

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

The only person sick in the head is you. You practice misandry but continue to deny it. Kishimoto apparently chose a unique method of deconstructing a cliche that has been used for years in the genre.

If what Sakura does to Naruto is comedy why is what Sasuke does to Sasuke horrible? Sakura beats up or insults her teammates for not agreeing with her or things that are none of her concern. Sasuke does the same to Sakura when he is annoyed with her.

Naruto and Sasuke are equals because of their shared trauma and backgrounds. They understand each other. Sakura has gotten angry at Naruto and Sai for not agreeing with her opinions or insulting her but when she does the same to them she considers it funny. She thinks she is better than them.

What is disgusting here is how you glorify Sakura but condemn other characters when they commit the same wrongs. Karui and Sasuke are horrible for their assaults but Sakura’s are okay because it comedy. Hypocrisy and misandry in the same sentences.

Rock Lee and his Ninja Pals are a comedy manga that have no connection to the manga canon. It has its own continuity and plot.

I did not dismiss it Naruto and Sasuke are aware of their abusive actions and are trying to fix them while Sakura does not and considers them funny. All of the Konoha 11 do that for each other or other people Sakura is not that special in that regard.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    The pot calling the kettle black? You are the one trying to defend sasuke heinous actions and trying to compare them with sakura’s comedic behavior

    Sakura beats them when they are rude, perverted or stupid somhow, for added humor affect. She doesnt beat them because they don’t agree with her, she doesnt force her view on them. Sasuke tried to kill sakura, not because she ia an annoyance but because he just could.

    Agree on the part that Naruto and Sasuke are equals, once again you didn’t understand why sakura beats them, just read what I said above. You also like to forget all the times she was caring and worried about her teammates. She only insults Naruto occasionally calling him baka ( and its not really a big deal) when he acts stupid, the one who insults people is Sai

    Well, karui and Sasuke actions aren’t portrayed in the same light as Sakura’s actions,so interpratations regarding them have to be different. When Sakura beats Naruto its supposed too be comedy, when Karui and Sasuke did their thing, it was not supposed to be comedy. Simple as that

    Just the fact that Tenten acknowledged their dynamic is enough to disprove you comment about everyone thinking Sakura is abusive to Naruto

    Naruto is not shown trying to fix them, where did you see this? And for that matter really I don’t think Naruto was abusive on Bolt, you are the one who has this point of view and I showed your hypocrisy in regarding Sakura’s actions as abusive and excusing Naruto and Sasuke.
    Regarding the last chapter I just think Naruto is negleting his son and this is supported by manga panels
    Sasuke actions were that big of a deal that he had to apologize ( even if it was a lame one), Sakura’s actions with her teammates are comedic and aren’t to be taken seriously.

    You are generalizing, the K11 aren’t like this with each other, they are friends yes and care for each other as comrades of the leaf village, the difference is that Sakura’s actions towards Naruto are shown to be stronger, just see if she gets worried like she does for Naruto or Sasuke for any other member of K11.
    Trying to generalize Sakura as just part of the group when she was a important part of Naruto’s life is laughable

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      Yes, I am defending his actions because you claim Sakura’s abuse is justified while stating Sasuke’s is heinous. They both mistreat someone when they are annoyed by them.

      Sakura beats them when they do agree with her or she is annoyed with them and it is considered funny. Sasuke does the same to Sakura when he is annoyed or wants to tell her she is wrong. Their actions are not that different from each other except by your misandrist standards.

      Karui and Sasuke are horrible for their abuse but Sakura is excused because she was just joking. You glorify her character and ignore her flaws but condemn other characters when they do the same.

      Tenten’s comment take place in a story that has no continuity with the manga.

      The only person confirming their hypocrisy is you. Naruto and Sasuke are admitting their problems. Sasuke apologized and how Naruto fixes his relationship with his son may be in Part 3. Sasuke realized his actions hurt people and wants to atone for them. Sakura expresses no remorse for her actions and has a laugh at the expense of teammate’s. The only one laughing is her.

      The important parts of Naruto’s life are Team 7 but Sasuke and Iruka were always more special to him. The fact you think she is equal to them is laughable.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        I’m not claiming it was justified, I’m saying it isnt abuse because it isnt portrayed as suchm never was, the sakura and naruto situations where she hits him are supposed to be comical, Sasuke is hardly comical with anybody. Sasuke never hit sakura because she was an annoyance, he hit her because he wanted to kill her (Sai-Sasuke arc with kirin, Kage Summit arc with chidori and a kunai) , and his abuse doesnt come only from his physical attacks he also called sakura useless multiple times, and almost let her die in the lava, he almost let her die because she was in the way from his attack against madara. This is not “for annoyance”

        What does this have to do with the fact that sakura was worried for his sake?

        I have to repeat myself again? Dakura beat them when they act stupid, are rude or being perverts, she doesnt beat them when they don’t agree with her.

        I’m not ignoring Sakura’s character, she has tons of flaws. But really this sint her fault. Kishimoto screwed up her development completely. But if there is a thing that sakura isn’t , is an abuser. For reasons I already stated multiple times and you continue to ignore without actually countering them

        If you don’t know the Rock Lee series is made by Kishi’s ex-assistant, he knows how the manga works, he was close to kishi, if he didnt show sakura and naruto relationship as abusive then it isnt abusive in the perception with someone that worked closely wih kishimoto. IMO someone who knows how that mind workd better than you or me

        You are saying “maybe in part 3″, you are speculating, how is this any sort of closure? The ending portrayed Naruto as a neglectful father, deal with it
        Didn’t you read what I wrote before? Sakura ‘s actions aren’t to be taken seriously, unlike the Sasuke ones, where he was actually trying to kill her
        “the onnly one laughing at him is her” WTF, Sakura is a lot of things but she isnt the same bratty kid as her part 1 self was. What are you talking about her laughing at him?

        I don’t consider them equals. I never said that, don’t you know how to read? I acknowledged Sasuke and Iruka’s bonds are the most important ones for Naruto . I just don’t agree with your brainless reasoning that Sakura’s bond with Naruto is weak. No bro, no deal. If you say something like that, you didnt read the manga at all

          Guy (3 years ago)

          This comment is supposed to be a counter for the Gaara’s rescue arc comment you made @Jazy Jeff

          I put this in the wrong place though, ignore it

          Guy (3 years ago)

          I mean this comment
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          “What does this have to do with the fact that sakura was worried for his sake?”

          Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

          Sasuke does not want to deal with her because she is annoying.In both of those instances Sakura is one who came to him and his priority is to stop Madara and Kaguya to save the world. Sakura calls Naruto an idiot or stupid several times so why is Sasuke dismissing her as useless suddenly horrible.

          Sakura can insult or beat up people if she is annoyed by them but if anybody else uses does it suddenly it is horrible. Karui and Sasuke are terrible for their abuse but Sakura’s abuse is funny. Sai called Sasuke a traitor, she punched him after stopping Naruto from attacking him and lecturing on teamwork. It is wrong for Naruto or Sai to be rude but if Sakura does the same thing she is justified. Misandry and more glorifying of Sakura’s character

          You blame Kishimoto for her flaws but anything Sasuke has done cannot be forgiven despite the fact he is remorseful and wants to atone for his actions. He apologized to his teammates something Sakura has never done.

          You have not stated reasons all you have done is disregard or excuse Sakura’s flaws while making her out to be perfect. The other characters deserve to be punished for their mistakes but if Sakura does something bad it is justified because she has good intentions or Kishimoto is at fault. You blame everybody but her.

          The assistants might know how the manga work but the final decision rests with Kishimoto. The canon is the manga written by him not something written by his former employee. If Naruto and Sakura’s interactions are not violent why are Sasuke and Sakura’s condemned? Sasuke apologized and Sakura forgave him. Sakura considers what she does to her teammates okay and refuses to believe she could be wrong.

          You cannot deal with the fact Sasuke’s abuse of Sakura is similar to what Sakura does to her teammates. Nobody knows what Part 3 is going to contain but you base your perception adult Naruto on one chapter even when they have stated Naruto is going to continue so his relationship to his son will be developed.

          I know how to read I am not the person disregarding the canon or the interviews given by the author. The only person doing that is you. Sakura’s bond with Naruto is weak in comparison to Sasuke and Iruka but you believe she was still special to him despite the fact Naruto describes several bonds he has with people as special.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          - In part 1 he considers her an annoyance, but at part 2 he simply doesnt care much about her at all (One of the reasons SS is a bad couple)
          Calling Naruto an idiot is not her exclusivity, Tsunade, Jiraya, Iruka, etc, does this too. Besides, it only happens when he’s being rude, pervy or stupid. The anime likes to use this a lot though y’know for comedy

          -Sakura’s antics with her tammates are comedic in nature, Karui and Sasuke were not. In the manga you really don’t see Sakura beating Naruto that much, only happens in comical situation unlike the karui/sasuke situations
          You must be the only person in the entire fandom that still thinks Sakura is abusive towards Naruto, cheers
          And this is funny, since back then in your first comments you were trying to say NS was for comedy only :D
          Hypocrisy much?

          About Sai, well, he was rude to everyone at that time. Being rude is one of the reasons I liste for receiving a punch from sakura. She bonds with Sai later though

          -Never talked about Sasuke flaws,
          But in my opinion Kishimoto fucked up this character too but in a lesser degree. He made Sasuke too fickle, and then at then end made him inexplicable give up on his so called “ultimate objective” without a reason.
          Even if Sasuke gave up at the end the lack of accountability from his part is notable.

          -I don’t like blaming characters at all because ultimately its the writers fault. If I blame a character then I’m talking about the context of the story itself, and in it, yes Sakura fucked up majorly a lot of times and this is part of the reason she became so hated, because in the end all of her development was for naught, she couldn’t even help Naruto as she promised.
          However when we look at the bigger things, its clear the only one to blame here is Kishimoto since he was handling the charcters. Sakura showed lots of potential at the end of part 1, early part 2 but unfortunately shit happened and somehow Kishimoto lost hanlde of her development.

          -Sakura and Naruto “violent” interactions is comedy, Sakura and Sasuke isn’t. Its bordering abuse because Sasuke doesnt give a fuck and Sakura acts like a incompetent whiny girl when she faces him.
          She may have forgiven him, but this doesnt erase every shit that happened between then in the story, only makes it worse because it made Sakura looks like she has no self-respect. Couldn’t she forgive Sasuke but in the end don’t trust him completely due to the things he did so somehow Sasuke has to amend his friendship with her ? Or even she wouldn’t forgive him at all yet, but in due time she would be able too?
          Changes like this could made SS more natural

          -Naruto is over, deal with it. Naruto ended with hints that the MC is neglecting his son. I don’t care about the cash grab called ” Boruto”, I accompanied “Naruto ” and thats how the story ended.
          And Sakura and Naruto funny interactions were similar to Sasuke and Sakura poisonous interactions? Lol man were did you took this out? You really need to re-read the manga.
          I mean I don’t remember a time where Naruto tried to kill Sakura or vice-versa, their relationship mirroed Tsunade-Jiraya, was this abusive to you too?

          I’m not trying to manipulate canon or anything LOL
          If anything the one who is trying to this with your idea that Sakra/Naruto was abusive ;)
          And ,newsflash, any bond in the series is weak compared to Naruto’s bond with Sasuke, man. Iruka is close second, then after him comes the rest of team seven with Sakura and Kakashi, together with Jiraya and Tsunade and the list goes on…

          But not in any shape or form Naruto ‘s bond with Sakura should be considered weak.

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

During Naruto’s battle against Gaara mentions Team 7 and his precious people he was fighting to protect everybody. The fact that Sasuke called him a friend inspired him even further. Sakura was not the only reason.

Naruto dismissed it because he knew crying was not going to help the matter. Action would rescue Gaara but the fact they did not is what leads him to mourn that he could save his other brother from death. Gaara’s revival lifted his spirits.

Your interpretation of Naruto’s feelings for the entire manga are just as biased as you believe my interpretation is.

Sakura’s feelings are irrelevant to the crisis. Madara is reviving the Ten-Tails using the Yang half of Kurama so Naruto is unconscious. The Yin Half of Kurama could revive him but he needs to be alive for that to occur. Gaara and Tsuande order Sakura to keep Naruto alive she is fulfilling her obligation as a medic to treat her comrades. Keeping Naruto alive is the priority not her reasons.

Sakura and Sasuke are Naruto’s source of strength but in several later chapters he elaborates that he considers Sasuke to be his best friend and brother to him. Sasuke is more special than Sakura. In Chapter 490 pages 13-15 Naruto mentions harming Sakura while possessed by Kurama and Yamato’s words that he should use his own power. He also mention losing control when Hinata was injured by Pain.

However, he also notes in order to battle Sasuke he will require control of the Nine-Tails and it is time to stop running from his status as a demon container. Mianto wanted him to learn to use the power to stop Tobi and he is going to do that. His bonds to his rival Sasuke and his father Minato are what drive him to accept the key and preparing to control Kurama’s powers for his own. Sasuke is again reinforced as more special than Sakura. She is either grouped with Team 7 or Sasuke. Naruto elaborated on his bonds with Obito and Nagato at different points in the manga. He honored Obito and called Nagato his fellow disciple despite their actions towards him.

All 296 confirmed is Sakura is an idiot. Kurama is possessing Naruto and Yamato warned her not to get to close because he was dangerous. She did not listen and was injured for her trouble. She thought she could for Naruto what she did with Sasuke when he used the cursed seal initially it was a failure. Yamato’s concern for Naruto and his power remedied the problem. She was taken in by Kabuto’s derision about Naruto’s problem and nearly made the situation worse.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    - read the gaara fight again, he thinks about Sakura specifically (read chap 133, page 2)

    -About your Gaara’s rescue arc comment: What does this have to do with the fact that sakura was worried for his sake?

    -Sakura is Naruto love interest man. Its a fact, it was canon until the last where he changed his sights to Hinata, don’t lump this with your biased speculations

    -Sakura’s thoughts aren’t important to the crisis of course, they are important for her character, it showed how far she came from that bratty girl who hated Naruto

    -“Sakura and Sasuke are Naruto’s source of strength ” Aha you admitted,XD how can you say something like that and then say his bond with her is weak?
    Of course sasuke is more important to Naruto overall though, their bond is the main one in the manga

    -Where are you getting with this? LOL
    Naruto controlling Kurama was left for him through Jiraya seal. Minato believed in him to find the answer though, his main drive to acquire kurama again was obtained thanks to his confrotation with dark Naruto and his mother, Kushina

    -And Hinata didnt made the situation worse when she almost killed herself and brought forth the nine tails once again? LOL
    But okay regarding 296, it was a dumb decision to run for Naruto, but Sakura isnt dumb, she is pretty smart ( this is said in canon multiple times). You are speculating that Sakura wanted to do with Naruto the smae she did with Sasuke, but we don’t know that.

    What we know is that she was emotional that Naruto would go such lenghts for the sake of bringing Sasuke back and actually offered to bring him back so Naruto wouldnt be hurt anymore. This is EXTREMELY selfless! I wonder where this character went in the later arcs of part 2

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      Naruto mentions Team 7 , his precious people and wanting to protect the entire village. Sasuke calling him friend inspired him even further. You glorify Sakura and make it seem like she was the only reason he battled Gaara there were many.

      Sakura can worry all she wants it did not change anything. Naruto wanted to rescue Gaara and he thought he failed until they revived him. Naruto had more pressing concerns than Sakura’s feelings.

      The Last is canon and all you have done is bash it. Sakura loves Sasuke and that was never going to change despite your inane beliefs. Naruto had a crush and moved on.

      That is your biased opinion. The main problem is keeping Naruto alive so he receive the Yin half of Kurama to be revived since he is essential to defeating Madara and the Ten-Tails. Keeping Naruto alive is the priority her feeling are trivial.

      Sakura’s bond with Naruto is weak. She is grouped with Sasuke as his reason to depend on his own power but is never mentioned as much as his bond with Sasuke. Thank you for realizing my argument his bonds to Jiraiya, Sasuke, Minato and Kushina are what help him accept using the key, battling Kurama and claiming his chakra for himself. Sakura had no contribution in that.

      Both of them were stupid in their actions. Neither of them used common sense when it came to helping Naruto during those crises. However, you excuse Sakura’s action and condemn Hinata’s. Sakura’s decision to run to Naruto got her wounded and could have lead to her death. Selflessness can be a flaw and Sakura’s decision illustrates it. Sakura fails to kill Sasuke and leaves the burden of killing or rescuing him in Naruto’s hands after the Kage Summit. By the time they defeated Kaguya Naruto made it clear he did not want Sakura’s help when Sasuke declared his intent for revolution Naruto vowed he would bring an end to Uchiha-Senju conflict and retrieve Sasuke himself. He and Sasuke also made it clear they were going to battle with no interruptions from anybody. Sakura had nothing to contribute in rescuing Sasuke and Naruto did not need her assistance.

        WheresTheFish (3 years ago)

        exactly! sakura is inessential – even with regards to the POAL, naruto would still make that POAL without sakura’s character. I don’t see why people put her character in the pedestal, even hating on hinata for being promoted to “main character” status. the fact is her character is so useless that even after several power ups, she is still a dead weight on team7. and don’t throw the “she heals/ gives life to naruto” argument – c’mon, she is a medic nin and she is EXPECTED to at least be able to participate in saving her comrades – nothing special about this. and that punching a god thing – BS! it didn’t do anything, it was still naruto and sasuke who delivered it.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @WheresTheFish

          Sakura is a MC during the whole story. If she didn’t lived up to expectations its kishimoto’s fault because he didn’t know how to handle the character , even though he was handling her perfectly fine till pein arc

          your statements about the POAL are wrong, Naruto made her specially for sakura, her healing of Naruto went beyond herjob as med nin, naruto is her dear friend and she wanted to support him inhis dreams with all her might.

          You talked about Hinata, well she is another flawed character, only a pairing fodder

          the truth is, kishimto fucked up sakura’s development and wasn’t able to properly develop his other female characters because of his contrived way of storytelling. In short, most of the female characters ended up with the role fo pairing fodder, their entire existence defined by the person they love

          oh please (3 years ago)

          totally agree…she was main character by chance but what a disappointment. she is selfish and self-centered and showed very little development. those rare moments she showed concern to naruto were still, at the core, to benefit herself. she made fun of him as an orphan, bad mouthed him to sasuke, hits him every effing time, only started to care for him when sasuke left and even then it was only to manipulate him to get sasuke back for her. People also glorify her saving naruto, but that should be a given. what a douche she would be if she didn’t save him being a medic nin and his friend.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @oh please

          read the manga again
          “Sakura just cared for naruto after sasuke left”… this is false bro
          I can easily show you snapshots from part 1 tht easily contradicts this.

          Sakura’s character development was actually good and showed promise…until the end of pein arc
          After this arc her development actually got fucked up, not only she backed up on the promise she made for naruto to fight sasuke, together, but she also acknowledged her useleness. Her interactions with Sasuke just showed her lack of self worth and kishimoto made her take horrible decisions.

          In the end her character was ruined
          but this is more the creator’s fault than anything else

        Guy (3 years ago)

        - You are disregarding the manga and Sakura’s character importance to Naruto.
        Just read the page I put over there, Sakura was the main reason he managed to power up and call forth Gamabunta.
        Sasuke even acknowledged the fact and says this to Sakura after the battle
        “This guy fought tooth and nails to save you”
        then Sakura looks surprised and smiles at Naruto

        -At least you admitted she was worried for him. Once again this shows how deeply she cares for him, its has not importance on the overall arc but Kishimoto showed this at the time for a reason, man.

        -All the romantic interests on the series were one sided until the last. Period.
        So during the majority of the manga Sakura still was Naruto love interest

        -Its not my biased opinion, its a fact. Sakura’s thoughts are important for her character. it shows how far she came from the part 1 sakura with her trying to protect Naruto’s dream at all costs.

        -Her bond with Naruto isnt weak. Her bond with Naruto is strong, as it is with him and everyone else in team seven. The fact that she is grouped together with Sasuke as the source of his strenght is a big thing because we all know Sasuke is Naruto most important bond.
        Your argument about the kyuubi fight… what were you trying to prove with that? I really didn’t get it, after all that arc was all about Naruto/Killer Bee, Naruto/Kushina interaction

        -I only pointed your hypocrisy at the situation, how you called sakura dumb but didn even mentioned Hinata. LOL
        But check it again, I did said what Sakura did at the bridge was dumb, but like Yamato said : ” Its the depht of your feelings for him that count in the end”.

        Don’t blame Sakura’s character stupid development on her, if anyone should be blamed about making her useless in the kage summit arc its Kishimoto. He is the one that made Sakura promise at the end of part 1 “to get strong and help naruto rescue sasuke” then in the later part 2 what happened ? “I’m useless…I leave him on your hands Naruto…”
        This is pathethic character development.

        And really, I don’t see her selflesness as a bad trait, its one of her best qualities. Naruto is a pretty selfless character too

          Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

          Sakura is only a part of a greater whole. Naruto was inspired by the fact that Sasuke considered him a friend and he mentions he wants to protect everyone. Naruto fought for his friends and village not just Sakura.

          Sakura’s concern was trivial, rescuing Gaara was the priority and they succeeded after they revived him. Her feelings were pointless and Naruto did not want to deal with them.

          Sakura’s love interest was Sasuke and she eventually married him. She never had any feelings for Naruto.

          Sakura’s bond with Naruto is weak. She is always grouped with other people by contrast Naruto has singled out people like Sasuke, Gaara and Jiraiya as being like family to him. The Nine-Tails situation is essential because the bonds of his family in blood and spirit help him accept the key, battle Kurama and takes his powers for himself. Sakura has no contribution in that.

          I said both of them were stupid but you excuse Sakura because she had good intentions but call Hinata selfish. Your hypocrisy is nauseating.

          You once again blame somebody else for her character’s flaws. All the other characters are to blame for their mistakes but if Sakura does something wrong it can be excused or it is always Kishimoto’s fault. Sakura failed to contribute to Sasuke’s rescue because of her emotional weakness and she is to blame for that. Naruto did not want her assistance because he wanted to battle Sasuke again and bring an end to the conflict himself. Both Naruto and Sasuke wanted one final battle to see whose method of bringing peace was right.

          Both Naruto and Sakura’s selflessness have caused problems but Naruto learned from his mistakes or listened to the advice of his friends and critics. Sakura caused more problems and did not contribute to the goal wanted to accomplish.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Jazzy Jeff

          –Excuses, excuses. Naruto fought for the person he cared about. What are the people he cared about the most ? Sakura and Sasuke, the panel confirms this. end of story
          In the end Naruto’s character gets butchered with his messiah complex bu this is another matter

          –Naruto misinterpreted her feelings, read the panel again he thought she was worried about Gaara when she was worried about him, he didn’t let her clarify it
          Futhermore Sakura’s thoughts aren’t useless, they might be in the greater scheme of things but oh so is Hinata’s one sided affecton for example, the thoughts are important for Sakura’s character because they show her development, how she truly cares for Naruto now and is not that bratty 12 year old that hated him

          –Everything was one sided, every pairing looked (because of kishi multiple teases) that it could happen granted it would be difficult to make SS and NH believable with the ay the story was shaping itself ( a little more difficult for SS) , and alas Kishi failed. SS was completely fucked up in the last chapters and NH needed a movie that butchered characters for the sake of a pairing.
          Futhermore Sakura loving Sasuke didn’t decide the pairing, and her feelings for Naruto were brought upon times with doubts about what were her true feelings for him, granted in the end we will probably never know if she felt anything for him at some moment but the hints are there

          –Its not weak, Naruto’s bond with anyone from team 7 isn’t weak. Read the manga
          Sakura was grouped with Sasuke( narutos most important bond) if this doesnt qualify her as one of his most importatn persons then you aren’t on your right mind

          –Well, Sakura had good intentions, she was selfless when she offered Naruto 4 tails to stop and that she would save Sasuke alone
          for him not to suffer more
          Hinata was indeed selfish at the beginning of the mission in the last, she herself said this (fact) , after a time however she gets up and goes to Toneri in hopes of saving her sister somehow, she had good intentions too when she resolved to do this
          In the end though both were dumb on this matter, they let their emotions control their actions
          Its not hypocrisy, I am merely stating the truth

          –Its truly all Kishimoto fault. He butchered most of his characters in the end. Sakura is just one of the main examples.
          Look if she was supposed to not meddle in Naruto + Sasuke’s fight, why did Kishimoto made her promise that as her final development in part 1? The not following up of this promise hurt Sakura’s character a lot more and brought a lot of hate onto her.
          Granted if Kishimoto wanted Sakura out of the final fight, he could have done it in another manne that didn’t hurt her character, in a manner she wouldn’t plainly call herself useless.

          I’m just talking about what Kishimoto did to Sakura because she is your “hate focus”, you warp her and make her worse than she already is Jeff. But trully a lot of characters were also hurt thanks to Kishi’s writing, examples are Neji who had his development butchered and his whole main plot point “fight against destiny” beng destroyed, Naruto, the MC, that suffered through the Messiah achetype in the last arc and in the last movie became OOC for the sake of a pairing, Sasuke, who never had any sort of conclusion on his goals whatsoever. All of this (and more) is Kishimoto’s fault.

          In my discussions with you I focus more on Sakura of course since its the topic we debate more, and while you are trying to make her look worse, I already know she became a poor heroine in the end but that she ultimately isn’t at fault for what happened

          — No, their selflesness is actually a good thing. Its a good part of their characters and this aspect of them contributed to many wonderfeul scenes between them.
          Of course Naruto would develop in some manner he is the MC, the author can’t ignore him …though in the end Naruto’s development was kind of ruined all together when we learn he was selfish all along thanks to the last (LOL), this is all thanks to kishi, master at butchering his own characters

          Sakura was a MC too but the author forgot her and brushed her off he didn’t bother on expand her backstory and goals, he didn’t bother to develop her at all in late part 2

          —-Anyway, your arguments are weak and biased, its better if you’d just stop since deep down you know that while I’m working on a logical point of view, yours is driven by the hate and bias against a character —-

rayodeluz (3 years ago)

naruto movies are generally bad. so my expectations are not very high. i didnt watch most of them. im kinda interested in this movie. just look at sasukes design. he has never looked better.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    Too bad he only appears for 17 seconds

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

What excuses? You make Sakura the only reason he fought but now you mention her with Sasuke. She was part of a group Team 7 or Konoha. I have panels confirming he said he would protect everyone and his precious people. Naruto has always done this.

Naruto does not want her concern he wants to rescue Gaara from Akatsuki and they nearly fail until he is revived. Her thoughts were pointless and did contribute to the mission at hand.

His bond with Sakura is weak since she is just a member of Team 7 Naruto elaborates on his relationships with Sasuke, Gaara and Jiraiya but never Sakura. The fact you make her unique is crazy.

Sakura was always consistent with her feelings she loves Sasuke. Kakashi, Sai and Naruto himself note this several times.

Both of them were foolish but Sakura is praised despite the only result occurring was her being injured while Hinata is condemned. You are not being honest about the situations just more pretentious and favoring one character over the other.

After the Kage Summit when she failed to kill Sasuke Naruto did not want her help he made an oath to fight Sasuke on his own and Sakura admitted she was too emotionally weak to help.

In our discussion you have never mentioned other characters and their situations only Sakura but suddenly claiming every character is butchered is your pathetic attempt to prove you are objective. The reason I mention Sakura is because all of your prior arguments excused Sakura, blame the other characters for her choices and state Kishimoto is at fault for her character flaws.

Sakura and Naruto’s selflessness is a flaw but once again from your perspective Sakura’s flaw is a strength even when she learn nothing from the problems she causes. Naruto learned from his critcs and developed.

Sakura was a pathetic MC that he never wanted to create. She never had a goal except Sasuke and her background was described as normal since Part I in contrast to her teammates. She had no development because she never wanted to take responsibility for her actions or shifted the burden onto someone else.

Your responses are contradicting or prejudicial against anybody who does not love Sakura or hate Kishimoto for not glorifying NaruSaku. Despite your assertions of impartiality you know that you are an obsessed and dogmatic fan of one character and you are driven by the fact that Kishimoto should shape his work to your selfish whims and the entire series belongs to you. Your opinions are driven by a grudge against the author and a sense of entitlement about the medium and the franchise.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    —-Never said that. I said Sakura and Sasuke were main parts of the reason he fought for, which is true. So you admit she is one of his precious people? Thanks hahaha
    I think she is actually above their comrades in knonoha since they have a closer bond, her bond was gropued with Naruto’s strongest one, Sasuke. They are both on his mind when he tries to get stronger.

    —-Why do you keep repeating yourself? I already debunked this multiple times. The thoughts weren’t important for the mission but for Sakura’s character development? Are you going to keep repeating yourself like a clown?

    —“Since she is just a member of team 7″
    OMG what a fail, thanks for proving my point. The manga focused specially on the team 7 ( albeit it wasnt that good) so its impossible to fathom Naruto’s bond with a member od team 7 as “weak”. If the naruto (before his OOCness) was alive right now what do you think he would answer regarding his bond with Sakura? Strong or weak? Answer truthfully :D
    hahaha you know you are wrong Jeff

    —Yeah, Sakura loved Sasuke, as Naruto loved Sakura ( till the ending) and Hinata loved Naruto, and they didn’t change because kishimoto think girls should forever love their first love. So no matter how much Sasuke behaves badly Sakura will always wilt and be submissive around him :/ bc she can’t change due the author’s views

    —-Yeah, about the Kage Summit thing
    As I said if you want to blame Sakura’s ( and others) ruined development, blame the author

    —-Well, I’m mentioning only Sakura because we are discussing her. We aren’t discussing other characters are we? So how do you want me to talk about them?
    Besides Sakura is the one character you have unwarranted hate for, so you continue to attack her and try to make her worse than she already is, I’m just trying to open your eyes to your unfounded bias :D

    But f you had a problem…lets say, with Naruto or Sasuke and is trying to make them worse than they turned out to be I would discuss with you too, Sakura is not an exception

    —-Selflessness is not a flaw, period. Its a good trait in fiction and real life ( I mean if you think selflessness is a flaw then what you consider selfishness?)
    What could be a flaw is overexaggerated selflessness, and that is so bad taht a person ends up without a sense of self, the person lives only for other’s sake, so yeah I really can’t see overexaggerated selflessness in Sakura or Naruto.
    The things Naruto learned from the critic ( Itachi was the only one who criticised him at the war arc) is that one should not becoming hokage just for acknowledgement and that he should count on his comrades too.Nothing about selflessness
    I believe I gave you a good lesson with this one :D
    Please do not make the same mistake again
    I mean what kind of person do you have to be to consider selflessness a flaw?

    —-Well he never wanted to create Sasuke too, it was the editor’s idea. and if he didnt want Sakura why did he create her in first place?
    She had no backstory because kishimoto thought she wasnt popular enough ( the story was a big popularity contest). Her goal at the end of part1 became to reach her teammates and help Naruto, however in the end with her development trashed she went back to her old naive selfish self.
    Futhermore I already said, if you want to blame someone about Sakura being a pathetic MC, blame kishi. Sakura’s fictional, she had no say in the matter.

    —-Used some big words here ahahaha. Did you consulted the dictionary?
    You probably didn’t read the interview with kobayashi, kishimoto revealed there he received most of his ideas for the story thanks to his editors, he turned the story into one big popularity contest, in sort he is a hack and a bad writer, not only for what he did with Sakura but for what he did with the whole story, so yeah no bias from me here, kishimoto already exposed everything.

    Futhermore your ad hominem was pretty sad, since you can’t disprove my arguments you end up attacking me, you still haven’t given me proof how am I a “Sakuratard” when I consider her a poor heroine.

    The difference between you and I is taht I don’t have unwarranted hate against any character and I see things from a logical point of view, so I know Sakura turned out a bad character in the end but at the same time I don’t look for things in the story to try to make her worse than she already is :D

    As I said try to answer my points this time Jeff, don’t waste you time with Ad hominem attacks

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