NaruSaku on the cover of the War Saga DVD release

Apparently, after trying to bait the NaruSasu back in the fandom, Studio Pierrot tries now to bring the NaruSakus back with having Naruto Uzumaki and Sakura Haruno on the cover of the War Saga DVD release for the anime adaptation.

narusaku-naruto-uzumaki-sakura-haruno-volume-72-cover

Apparently, along with Volume 72 besides the Illustration book we also have the the Fourth Great Ninja War “The return of Squad Seven” the second part released!

Well, a little bit too late, don’t you think Studio Pierrot? Especially since the finale you’ve offered to the fandom definitely doesn’t cut it.

Oh well. What do you guys and gals think?

xoxo

Chatte

 

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Toni (3 years ago)

I find it hilarious. They literally AREN’T going to win any NaruSakus back with one cover especially considering we know the outcome just because they put a picture up here or there doesn’t mean anything they completely f’d up.

    Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

    They are not concerned with winning you people back. Why are judging the DVD by a picture but you ignore the title and the episodes the DVD contains? That is not hilarious it is revolting.

      Guy (3 years ago)

      The cover is a obvious fanservice, This couple of episodes includes the T7 reunion and NH handhold. Why don’t put one of these moments?
      They want to bait NS fans again…fact

        Fengshui (3 years ago)

        LOL, sorry, but the NH handholding happened far before this DVD, before the tale of Hashirama, 9 episodes before.

        A japanese DVD consisting only 3-4 episodes, so even if they wanted couldn’t put the NH handholding on a DVD which doesn’t consist that episode.

    Bryon (3 years ago)

    Agreed, Toni, it’s just desperate damage control on SP’s part since they know they screwed up with The Last.

      Fengshui (3 years ago)

      Screwed? How? The movie earned 1.93 billion yen 2 weeks ago already, got an encore in Australia and added more US states and cities to the screenings.

      https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-02-04/more-screenings-added-to-the-last-naruto-the-movie-u.s-run/.84104

      Should I even mention that despite the oblivious trollings on japanese yahooo, Kishimoto didn’t changed the ending for “true NS ending”? Looks like he is neither stupid enough to fall for trollings of no life shippinger otakus nor doing it for money as you stated. Painfull truth.

        Bryon (3 years ago)

        Just because it made a lot of money doesn’t mean that The Last is “good”. A movie can do that y’know? And there’s plenty of reviews online from everyone to NS fans to NH fans and neutral fans. YOU just don’t see it because you think we shouldn’t be critical of Kishimoto-sensei’s work, when a good fan would be engaged in this kind of attitude regarding the ending, since it just left everyone miserable save for those who only care about pairings. I don’t. I wanted NaruSaku to be canon, I won’t lie, but that doesn’t mean I’m not a Naruto fan first.

          Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

          Most people don’t like the ending simply because parings. Most people wanted to see if Naruto became Hokage in the ending and they did, so they like the ending it brought closure to the main crew, Kishi screwed himself over when he announced that there were only 5 chapters left for the series and the NaruSasu Battle just started so there would be no way he would be able to give closure to all the important side characters. Part 3 is for that..

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Key statement “Part 3 is for that”
          Yes…the ending was not an ending but a setup for part 3 and that’s why it was BAD, we got a lot of plot holes that will PROBABLY only be resolved in Burrito
          but really, why do this? Is kishi trying to get audience for the new manga ? This is ridiculous, the ending supposed to be conclusive and wrap things up, this is bad writing 101 folks.

          If kishimoto is trying to lure fans with the answer of some of these plot holes for the new manga he is just a greedy hack.

          Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

          I said “Part 3 is for that” because Taka, Orochimaru, and Kabuto are said to have a role in that maybe Kishi didn’t want to show their designs yet. I agree in terms of closure this ending wasn’t the best, we didn’t see everyone’s reaction to Sasuke and Naruto losing their hands, Sasuke since he was a criminal, and other things like what Jutsu Hashirama gave Sasuke but did you honestly expect Kishi to be able to wrap up all does things in 30+ Pages.

        HalfDemonInuyasha (3 years ago)

        “Screwed? How? The movie earned 1.93 billion yen 2 weeks ago already”

        A lot of movies are capable of making a lot of money on the first day/weekend/week/etc. of release, but money from that alone does not mean the movie in itself was “good”.

        Look at James Cameron’s Avatar, for example. Made #1 box office records in money, but if you look closer, the main reasons why it attracted so many people was purely because of the new visual technology being used for it coupled with it being really the first new 3D movie in decades, so of course tons of people went to see it purely for those reasons, but if one looks at the plot and the characters, then Avatar is a pretty boring and sub-par movie overall and I’m more than certain that the planned sequels will be nowhere near as huge unless those get fixed.

        You also have to consider money beyond solely in making the movie itself. You have to look at the money that was spent in advertisements, merchandise, and other media, which means that the resulting movie and other things have to make quite a lot more money than what was put in just to break even, much less turn a profit and based on what has been calculated on other blogs, The Last is not making profit at all, but actually losing money compared to what was put into it.

        On top of that, you also have to consider that a lot, if not most of the initial money in Japan was made off of pre-order tickets largely from Sasuke and Kakashi fans who were literally lied to about the characters’ roles in the movie; fans believing that they would be playing big roles, but as soon as the real plot of the movie was revealed, people wanted refunds, but theaters conveniently decided on no refund policies.

        So a lot of money wasn’t because a lot of people actually liked it, much less kept seeing it.

        “got an encore in Australia and added more US states and cities to the screenings”

        The very story says it was the companies that got those extra showings. It was NOT because of massive fan requests.

        “Should I even mention that despite the oblivious trollings on japanese yahooo, Kishimoto didn’t changed the ending for “true NS ending”? Looks like he is neither stupid enough to fall for trollings of no life shippinger otakus nor doing it for money as you stated. Painfull truth.”

        The only ones claiming “trolling” are diehard NH fans. In fact, the top most highly rated comments were quite detailed negative reviews on why the movie was poor, which included details from the manga and about the individual characters, but guess what? They got deleted by SP.

        And of course, the usual projection; “No life shipping otakus”, yet who are the ones who are always making it about nothing the pairings no matter what the discussion is about on the ending? That’s right, it’s the diehard NH fans. There have been blog and forum discussions that don’t even mention the pairings, or at least the pairings are hardly mentioned at all, and what do people like you do? Make it about nothing BUT the pairings while completely ignoring the entire rest of the discussion about why the plot and/or the individual characters themselves helped in making the ending poor.

        “Fans” like you see anybody who negatively criticizes the ending for ANY reason as nothing but “salty” NS shippers and that is why it’s clear that what you try to accuse most of the non-NH fanbase of is nothing but projection on how NH fans like you actually are.

        You don’t give a damn about the story or its lessons that were made meaningless. You don’t give a damn about the individual characters and how their development was all for nothing. All you care about is getting your treasured pairing no matter the cost to everything else.

        And no, I am not a shipper at all. I personally don’t give a damn who ends up with who in general. All I care about is that if characters do end up together, then it has to make sense based on the story and the development of those characters, both individually and between each other, which did NOT happen with Naruto and Hinata.

          Fengshui (3 years ago)

          “money from that alone does not mean the movie in itself was “good”. + the main reasons”

          Sure, but there is a certain amount of box office where you can’t ignore the fact that it was financialy succesfull and if you compare to the previous movies you can say clearly that it was a succes. Also, the reason why a movie is succes not really cares company, all they care about is box office.

          “pre-order tickets largely from Sasuke and Kakashi fans who were literally lied to about the characters’ roles in the movie; fans believing that they would be playing big roles”

          LOL, sorry my dear, but you can’t saying that people are stupid enough to think what the movie will be about just because of some gifts while non of the posters nor the magazine scans said anything about Kakashi’s and Sasuke’s rokes except that we’ll see Kakashi as Hokage and Sasuke will do something important!

          Also, didn’t Sasuke just saved Konoha from destruction? What he did in Road To Ninja despite the heavy advertising and misleading lies that even Chatte agreeded? Oh, yes, stood in one place for 20 seconds then bye-bye. Wasn’t Kakashi shown as Hokage? Then where did they lie? What was Kakashi doing in Road To Ninja despite the heavy advertisings? Nothing, just was there for 20 seconds.

          http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/196/0/5/naruto_road_to_ninja__team_7__by_candygirl95-d57b1dy.jpg

          http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/154/e/5/naruto_the_movie___road_to_ninja____ss__full_scan_by_theuzumakichan-d523tno.jpg

          http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/596/Road-to-Ninja-Shonen-Jump.jpg

          See, THIS was misleading and false advertising, they promised Sasuke, Kakashi, Team Seven while none of them happened despite the advertisings.

          About “no refund”, I have to make you said, but the reason there was no refund, because people didn’t want giving back the present they got to their tickets. So then, why should they giving back money if they don’t want giving back the present?

          Not mentioning, how much pre-sale tickets were not counting Naruto’s? Oh, yeah, not eve 50000 tickets, which would be only 80-90 million yen. So much from a 1.93 billion yen box office. XD XD XD

          But now talking about Kakashi and Sasuke fans, where were they at Will Of Fire (1.02 billion yen) and Bonds (1.16 billion yen)?

          “look at the money that was spent in advertisements, merchandise, and other media”

          Oh, sure, so bad for you that it was not even the 1/4 of Road To Ninja’s advertisements, metchandise and othe media.

          Here’s only of 1/10 of Road To Ninja advertisements, merchandises and other media (again, it’s only 1/10 of them):

          http://v027o.popscreen.com/eHNhdzM0MTI=_o_naruto-the-movie-road-to-ninja-promo-by-ohasuta.jpg

          http://blog-imgs-50.fc2.com/m/u/s/music43393/fc2blog_2012072221241580a.jpg

          http://www.cc2.co.jp/cms/cc2news/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/16.jpg

          http://blog-imgs-50.fc2.com/m/u/s/music43393/fc2blog_20120722212201a67.jpg

          http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YMOGh6TNsiQ/UWho5qoPq_I/AAAAAAAAG3Y/4WHZ1S1jFmw/s1600/road_to_ninja_naruto_the_movie_at_sibuya_by_nyokoa-d5937y5.jpg

          http://www.suruga-ya.jp/database/pics/game/608101783.jpg

          http://www.toho.co.jp/movie/news/1207/images/13main.jpg

          http://www.toho.co.jp/movie/news/1207/images/11main.jpg

          http://d2tu4pb4f28rzs.cloudfront.net/site_img/photo/2012-07-13-142504.jpg

          http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ynnnKGkcPyc/maxresdefault.jpg

          http://media.tumblr.com/79468d7b8c964f908774d8798ae3ffbc/tumblr_inline_nj7w48FK7E1t9fonm.jpg

          http://media.tumblr.com/fb1a0e0be601b30ad5b9919e26d1f535/tumblr_inline_nj7w5t2A6w1t9fonm.jpg

          http://media.tumblr.com/a9945ee1dc54112fc16ac73c4634ec68/tumblr_inline_nj7w1aLgcm1t9fonm.jpg

          http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/596/Road-to-Ninja-Akatsuki.jpg

          http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20120730/18/ame-xyz/ea/5d/j/o0640048012106998588.jpg

          http://www.cc2.co.jp/cms/cc2news/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/16.jpg

          So as you can see, Road To Ninja had faaaar more advertisements, merchandises and media commericals (while The Last had 5 trailers Road To Ninja had 9). And again, these are just 1/10 of Road To Ninja’s.

          “The only ones claiming “trolling” are diehard NH fans. ”

          Sure, and that’s why not only tons of them are written english, but tons of them written by google translator and making errors like writting Hinata’s name and other character’s incorectly? ;P

          ” guess what? They got deleted by SP.”

          And the only ones who believe this are diehard NS fans.

          Or isn’t it suspicious to you, that the “reviewer” started it’s firts line with “I know they will delete this”, then ta-da-da-da-da, next morning it is deleted! Sure not the reviewer deleted it to throw mud on SP and Yahooo, nooooo, sure not, who cares the suspicious “I know they will delete this”, sure not a concidence. XD

          “NH fans. There have been blog and forum discussions that don’t even mention the pairings, or at least the pairings are hardly mentioned at all, and what do people like you do? Make it about nothing BUT the pairings while completely ignoring the entire rest of the discussion about why the plot and/or the individual characters themselves helped in making the ending poor.”

          Sure, and not because Naruto was already on downhill since the end of Kakashi Gaiden. Sure not. XD

          Also, just take a look at Chatte’s blog and her “theories”. She has deleted tons of them, but she wrotte NaruSaku “theories” every second day before the movie.

          Oh, and one thing: I am not a shippinger and it’s an insult to me who read legendary mangas like Kinnikuman, Hokuto No Ken, Monster, 20th Century Boys, Berserk ect. Yes, you are a hardcore NS shippinger, I am just a fan who is not on anyone’s side and not as blind as you., “dear”. ;P

          “And no, I am not a shipper at all. I personally don’t give a damn who ends up with who in general. All I care about is that if characters do end up together, then it has to make sense based on the story and the development of those characters, both individually and between each other, which did NOT happen with Naruto and Hinata.”

          Aaaaand now just revealed that you are truly a hardcore NS fan, who never gave a crap about the flaws of the manga, the logic errors, the bad side of it but only cared about your Rie Kugimiya Style Tsundere-Loli Pairing fetish. XD

          Since unlike you I am not a shippinger I won’t go into it, just say some tiny little thing that a non-shippinger can tell you:
          1.Just showing 2 f*cking characters together often is not romantic – see Goku & Bulma, Kenshiro & Mayima, Tenma & Nina ect.
          2.Despite Sakura learned from Sai how Naruto “feels” for her, she was still on love Sasuke, see chapter 484 + 539 + 540 + 632 + 685 + 693 ect. Even Naruto confirmed that Sakura loves Sasuke.
          3.Despite Naruto has been freed from their promise, the only excuse that Naruto could use to never confess love to Sakura, Naruto NEVER confessed despite there was no reason anymore to not and had 3 weeks before leaving to the Turtle Island

          About the ending, since unlike you I am a pro I can clearly tell you that NO LONG-RUNNING SHONEN FIGHT MANGA HAD ANY SATISFYING ENDINGS!

          Kinnikuman = ended with a fight, didn’t saw Suguru becoming a king, didn’t saw the future of the characters.

          Hokuto No Ken = ended with a fight and… ended.

          Kenichi = ended without giving any f*cking answers to plotholes and questions, bad guys ran away and Kenichi ‘maybe next time”, finished. But hey, he has kid with Miu!

          Dragon Ball = Tienshin + Chaozu + namekiens + C17 + C16 and tons of characters were missing, tons of never answered questions and plot holes.

          And so on. Tell me, how did you want Kishimoto:
          – conclude the fate of 100000 characters
          – answering all plot holes, logic errors, questions, stupidity since Part 2’s beginning
          – showing tons of important events like Team Seven reunion, release of MT ect

          Within two (TWO) 16 pages long chapters? For this, Kishimoto would needer at least 20 chapters, idiot.

          And that’s all folks!

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          The point everybody forgets here is that you cannot compare the whole thing surrounding RTN given what that movie represented and what The Last represented in the context of a 15 years running series.
          RTN was clearly described from the very beginning to be an AU, yadda yadda yadda, whereas this is the last part of a story who ran for 15 years and which had many unanswered questions they promised to answer, when all they did was nothing of the sorts, on the contrary.
          So you see that’s why the comparison doesn’t work. The only comparison you can draw between RTN and The Last is the quality of their content in terms of canon implications and that’s why RTN will top The Last at any time, no matter how shiny things look at the surface, because as I said, on the underneath, they’re rotten.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @NarutoisAwesome
          No, I didn’t expected that
          thats why when I heard back in 695 that it had only 5 chapters left and we were still in the middle of the NarSas fight , I completely lost hope of this series having a conclusive , cohesive ending, though, I didn’t expected to be THAT bad in the end

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @HalfDemonInuyasha
          Your comment rocks dude XD

          Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

          I agree with most of your comment, NH and SS fans usually just brand someone who doesn’t like the ending as a “salty NS fan” which is sometimes true because lets be honest there are really paring-tards who think NS or whatever ship they like not happening ruins the story.

          The development of characters were good and i’m going to assume by development “lost” you mean Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura since they are the ones constantly targeted with this claim. Naruto did develop, he got over his crush/love or whatever you want to call it with Sakura and realized that there was a girl who always loved him but was too shy to get him, Sakura always was said to love Sasuke she is in character for that and yeah she could have developed out of her Love for the Sauce but that’s not what this story is about and her blushing when asking Sasuke to take her with him is not regression WTF, Sasuke developed because he not only changed his ideas but accepts Sakura’s love for him, he is in character since the only thing that stopped him from loving Sakura were his goals he wasn’t getting all lovey-dovey with Sakura he just tapped her forehead and said he “will see her soon” and ten years later they have a child.

          Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

          @HalfDemonInuyasha I agree with most of your comment, NH and SS fans usually just brand someone who doesn’t like the ending as a “salty NS fan” which is sometimes true because lets be honest there are really paring-tards who think NS or whatever ship they like not happening ruins the story.

          The development of characters were good and i’m going to assume by development “lost” you mean Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura since they are the ones constantly targeted with this claim. Naruto did develop, he got over his crush/love or whatever you want to call it with Sakura and realized that there was a girl who always loved him but was too shy to get him, Sakura always was said to love Sasuke she is in character for that and yeah she could have developed out of her Love for the Sauce but that’s not what this story is about and her blushing when asking Sasuke to take her with him is not regression WTF, Sasuke developed because he not only changed his ideas but accepts Sakura’s love for him, he is in character since the only thing that stopped him from loving Sakura were his goals he wasn’t getting all lovey-dovey with Sakura he just tapped her forehead and said he “will see her soon” and ten years later they have a child.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @ Fangshui

          you asked
          – conclude the fate of 100000 characters
          – answering all plot holes, logic errors, questions, stupidity since Part 2’s beginning
          – showing tons of important events like Team Seven reunion, release of MT ect

          Well I don’t know man, but he ccould you know, not finishthe series in only these chapters ? But he didn’t because he is lazy

          And also, shame on you trying to compare DBZ to Naruto.
          DBZ is a typical battle shonen, the resolution was good for what it was aiming to be. Naruto tried to be too deep with all those questions about peace, hatred, destiny, forgiveness and whatsover…and completly failed on it

          Also comparing Bulma x Goku ( who never had romantic undertones) with Sakura x Naruto ( who were openly teased by the author ) is pretty stupid , I have to say

        Shitimoto (3 years ago)

        Wasn’t i.e. Avatar a movie, that made billions, but just MASSIVELY disappointed EVERY fan, because the whole movie was just TALKING instead of actually showing awesome stuff?
        Then taking like 10 mighty earth benders, to throw a rock, that a little kid could pick up…

        Yea… The money the movie makes, has NOTHING to do with how good the movie is…

        My favorite example is Square Soft. They made LEGENDARY games. I can still picture scenes of games i played 20 years ago… Aaaand then they sold their rights to Square Enix or some crap, started pumping out complete garbage and made trillions while pretty much every fan of the old series (which he believed he was still buying) hated it…

        Again, the fact that companies make millions, and “look good in public”… Often it’s just because they pay other companies for good propaganda (or deleting the bad propaganda), and has NOTHING to do, with them making good games / movies. There is NO DOUBT that you are right, that they make money, because they made good movies, BUT only because people either still think that the series has not sold out yet, OR they have just so much hope inside them, that they still BELIEVE (IT!), that the movie will be good.

        There is an awesome article from Total Biscuit about… your mind, forcing you to like something, because you already payed for it, and thus, you have to “justify” your purchase.
        Your mind knows that you worked hard for your money, and because of that, something that you get from your money, MUST be good, otherwise it would mean, that you just PAID for something, that you hate. It’s NOT delusional or anything like that. It’s just a simple protection from us being overly sad all the time. So, because of all this, i think there is an easy visible “line of thought”, that makes the public “look” much “less critical” at the movie.
        You Work hard -> Earn the right to see the movie -> Movie is not too exciting, and you kinda forget about the payment -> After watching, this was just disappointing and no questions were answered -> Welp, at least i still have my imagination -> You talk to others, and nobody says that the movie is BAD -> You start thinking the movie was ok, completely forgetting about the payment or whatever else you did, to be able, to watch this -> You see someone reacting negatively to the movie -> Because everything seems to be in categories now, you HAVE to join a side, are you PRO ending, or CON ending?… well… if THOSE are the CON people, of course i am PRO ending!…

        And this is a pretty easy way of though,how a lot of people could change their minds. Even though they didn’t really like the movie, now they LOVE it, just to counter some people, that hate the ending because of the pairings, as opposed to the 99 other things that are wrong with it.

    WheresTheFish (3 years ago)

    why do NS feel like they are being baited? I see nothing in this cover but 2 characters depicting a scene in the manga. again with that mentatlity that the manga should revolve around NS – ship bait here and there. don’t forget that the fact that NH and SS is canon means SP and Kishi gives 0 flying f__k about NS so there is/ there will be no baiting whatsoever. they don’t need NS to to sell or whatever. Funny, NS sees something or some motive in every little thing that SP/ Kishi does now, but you lot missed the biggest thing that you should have seen ages ago, which is the improbability of NS happening.

      Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

      Uhum, yeah, gives zero fucks that’s why he needed to apparently keep the “red-herring” pairing in the manga, because NH and SS portrayal totally helped his mojo. Son, if you don’t know what things like these imply, don’t address what you don’t have a clue about, really.

        WheresTheFish (3 years ago)

        you should take your own advice chatte, if you dont know what “things imply” then you should just shut up. your genjutsu theory is still the best though, keep em delusions coming.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Well too bad for you that I do know what it means. :) When all you people brag about only the sales that’s when it’s confirmed you have no idea what you’re talking about. But keep it as if you do know in your childish attempt to offend me and my theories.
          If you don’t know what a theory means and as a last resort to “win” an argument that no one cares about in the first place you start spewing words like those, I’m afraid I have to disappoint your hopes that I’d give a hell about what you say.
          But whatever, continue your magic twisting or whatever because anyone with half-brain knows how bad and why this ending is bad. :)
          Sayonara!

Jennylyn Deleon (3 years ago)

Ok.. i hate the color of dvd cover :/ it remind me of hinata-hime-sama

Niky (3 years ago)

AH AH AH AH!!!! SP, this is all yours…
Buy it!!!!

sally (3 years ago)

I really do think this was a way to pull narusaku into buying the CD, since we all know they would’ve put just naruto on the CD.

And if they truly wanted to put a couple then you already know naruhina would be on that in a heart beat.

They would probably make an exclusive CD art just for them too…

Fengshui (3 years ago)

“Apparently, after trying to bait the NaruSasu back in the fandom, Studio Pierrot tries now to bring the NaruSakus back with having Naruto Uzumaki and Sakura Haruno on the cover of the War Saga DVD release for the anime adaptation”

Chatte, I am truly, truly worring about you.

Have I remind you the NaruHina DVD cover from pain arc?

http://www.aniplex.co.jp/naruto/tv/img/08/narusdvd0804.jpg

Or about the NaruHina calendar?

http://33.media.tumblr.com/0e2bf880d18a0ba9fd0fd750d37b62c9/tumblr_nd1alonpd11sat0yfo1_500.jpg

SP just doing what always did before: putting random things on the cover without purpose!

You truly have to abadon either the entire Naruto franchise or your hatred towards Kishimoto (creator of Naruto franchise), SP (animation studio of franchise and underlings of Kishimoto who can’t do anything without his permissions), CC2 (naruto videogame developers), WSJ (publishers of Naruto), the voice actors and everyone else, because after a little time later it will be even worsened!

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-02-04/more-screenings-added-to-the-last-naruto-the-movie-u.s-run/.84104

I don’t want you end up like the nurse from Stephen King’s Misery!

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Lol, yeah! A NaruHina cover made out from their pure bias when the focus of that arc was Naruto not knowing an answer for peace and being saved BY HIS DAD AFTER Hinata put him in mortal danger. Let’s remember canon content, shall we?
    And from that very start your argument is flawed so…

      Fengshui (3 years ago)

      Oh, Chatte, you are truly weak when you have to arguing. XD

      “He was in mortal danger because of Hinata”

      Sure, because Naruto was not mortal danger if Hinata wouldn’t interfere….

      Oh wait! Yes, he already was in mortal danger as if she didn’t do anything, Pain easily took him away and extracted the Nine-Tails from him, resulting the end of the world. Minato little safeguard could easily f*ck againts Pain’s extraction jutsu. XD

      And before you come with the “no, they surely could save him”, then just take a look at gow Gaara ended. If two villages weren’t able to save their Kazekage, what could one weakened and destroyed village to do for Naruto? ;P

      So live with the fact: if Hinata didn’t interefered, then Pain took Naruto away, extracted the fox and tada, end of the world.

      Also, nobody was in danger when Naruto transformed, as it was shown at the Orochimaru battle even if he rages he ONLY attacks those who are attacking him. The only reason why Sakura was hit because Sakura became a retard princess. What do you think, why didn’t it attacked Yamato too? Becuase Yamato didn’t made any move. If you reread the manga, you can see that even when Naruto accidently shots a mountain, it was not because of him, but because Pain hit him with a boulder.

      So much about you.

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        The “problem” is that I am NOT arguing or debating. That’s a thing people like you don’t understand.

        I am NOT here to argue or debate anything.

        This is my blog where I give my opinions based on facts I have observed collectively from all the sides. Even yours. But that doesn’t mean it makes your argument right when you have to take into matter so many more things. But usually people like you DON’T take these things into consideration because it drags your argument down making it in the end useless all-together.

        You’re the one here imposing your opinion on people, you’re the ones who keep following people like me everywhere they go to

        You keep saying I am full of hatred or whatever is that you keep trying to push here when as a matter of fact I give no shits about this series anymore nor support it, just keeping people informed because unlike me, some people do give 2 pennies on this and they have all the right to and that’s about it. Oh, yeah, I add opinions. Opinions which have years of experience behind and thus that’s how I form them.

        You don’t like them? Well, you see, that’s not my problem. That’s yours.

        I stopped debating Naruto for quite a while now and that’s what most people like you don’t understand. :) But hey, if that’s what makes you roll, believing the fact that I am doing this for some secret agenda or some God knows what other reasons, go ahead… I don’t care and live my life as it is, you keep living your life as it is and everybody’s happy. Ta-da.
        Not to mention that debating requires quite a lot of time and you see, I have so many better things to do than debating Naruto. Especially when you’re not even wanting to debate in the first place because if you would no. 1: you’d recognize the problematic finale this series had.
        So with this being said, hakuna matata! :)
        You keep doing your thing while I’ll be doing my thing. :)

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

How is the NS cover? The scene on the front is taken from a chapters in the manga where Naruto is being healed by Sakura after exhausting himself protecting the Allied Shnobi forces by distributing Kurama’s chakra to give them so they could battle against the Ten-Tails. Chapter 628, 629, 630 and 631 emphasize protecting your
comrades, respecting their wishes even after they die and the reunion of Team Kakashi since Sasuke is cooperating with them to defeat Madara, Obito and the Ten-Tails.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    Its not only these chapters. These DVD covers the entire juubi battle (and in it T7 reunion and NH handhold )
    So really, why not put one of these moments here?
    They obviously want to bait the NS fandom again

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      How are they baiting you? You are going to judge the DVD by its picture but ignore the title and the narrative of the episodes which is much more than a pairing. Reuniting Team 7, the history of Konoha’s founding and battling against the Ten-Tails is fare more important.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        They aer not baiting me, but the NS fandom in japan.
        Just the fact that the cover is of an event the has not the same level of importance that the T7 reunion or the Neji’s death/Hinata handhold
        is a suspicious thing. I believe it’s a pathetic attempt at damage control

          Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

          How is this damage control? You and chatte judge the superficial picture but disregard the title and the episodes in the DVD that constitute the narrative. They have no concern with NS fandom.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Just the fact thet the cover is NS in a team 7 centric couple of episodes is an obivious bait

          If it was NH or SS in the cover you would think differently about this matter wouldn’t you?
          Your shipping glasses are to tight man, take them out, they might damage your brain

          You got to the pathetic point of saying that the SS interactions are comedic in the other thread…you need help

          Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

          How was this romantic if the NH Hand Holding wasn’t romantic, she is doing her job. And he was stating why do people close accusation of abuse from NS ( Which I don’t agree with ) as just “comedic”while SS is stated as being “abusive”( Which it isn’t )

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @NarutoIsAwesomeI’m not arguing if the fact of Sakura healing Naruto in the
          SS is abusive, yes, mainly because of Sakura’s reactions to Sasuke words and actions. She never stands up , its humiliating for her character and the fact she never changed is poor story progression. Because there is no sense of equality in their relationship, what Sasuke did to her can be taken as abusive

          Now, I’m not arguing if this moment with Sakura healing Naruto can be taken as a NS moment or not. I myself think she is just did her job as a healer at the time.
          What I’m saying is that this is clearly a bait, i mean why use this moment when you have the main moment of team 7 reuninting in a later episode? Makes no sense…only makes sense if it is a intended bait

          Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

          SS is not abusive. Sasuke is inconsiderate of Sakura’s or anybody’s feelings when he talks he is blunt and doesn’t sugarcoat as I said in a previous post Ex-Telling Naurto to quit whining when he sees his dad get hurt because they are Edo Tensei and can’t die. You over exaggerate Sasuke’s rudeness because it doesn’t happen a lot it. Sasuke knocking the apples that Sakura tried to feed him was because he was Mentally Raped by the man who he wants to kill the most, saying Sakura can’t do shit against Madara was because she couldn’t and he does the same thing to Kakashi and told him to shut up. Even if these moments were “abusive” they weren’t in a relationship and so you can’t judge them by what happened before since Sasuke is now forgiven and won’t be a douche again and remember the time span in 700 is very long so it didn’t happen over night.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Any type of relationship can be abusive, between friends, family and so son, so thats not an excuse. Sasuke bahavior towards Sakura is sickening, with the whole killing attempts and lack of care for her.
          Kakashi and the others are able to stand up to Sasuke, even Karin was.

          But the worst aspect of WHY SS is abusive is Sakura’s behavior, I already explained multiple why the non development of her behavior towards Sasuke damaged SS so much. She was always insecure and weak willed around him, She could never be herself.
          We also never got the reason why she loved him so much when her last demonstration of love in part 1 was so selfishly and badly done,

          The so called confession in which she said she could let her family go and everything else just to stay with him… I mean WTF. Sakura you only have 13 years…could you really know what love is??

          At the time I thought, well she will grow up on it and will be more mature. and
          1) or her love will become a friendship
          2) or she would at least be able to put love into a second perspective and turn into a more mature centered person regarding Sasuke

          but no…she remained the same fucking way…

jane (3 years ago)

esta buena pareja narusaku es mejor y bella mas hermoso . sakura si estado enamorada es un sueños te proteger para convierte hokage de naruto uzumaki . lo que si me gusta encantada naruto si quede con sakura haruno . por eso te digo kishimoto nosotro apoyamos la esperanza de sakura y naruto esta juntos .

Silentraider52 (3 years ago)

Now, I know that you’ll all say that this is a crazy, stupid question and will likely just ignore me, but I want to ask for your guys’ opinions on this. Do you think it might be possible for Studio Pierrot to make the anime’s ending different from the manga by having a narusaku ending. Yes I know they made The Last and I know how it ends and that they’re making a movie about Naruto’s son Bolt set for this August. Though, since the Chuunin exam filler arc has come out at such a bad time since the manga ended and, if they continue to milk the anime, the anime will probably be running for about another year or two, it almost feels like they’re doing some kind of test run to see the fans’ reactions (and also please the fans that would normally be pissed). I know what I’m saying here sounds like a load of bull***t to a degree but I couldn’t help but think about the possibility, however slim it may be. I mean no disrespect to those who got their preferred ending. I just want to know the opinions of those on my side of things. Sorry for being long and thank you.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Given the marketing ploys, I highly doubt it. As I said, me, personally, only put my trust in them up until the movie. For me the movie was the last straw to see how they are planning on going with this and by the looks of it, there’s no redeeming thing nowhere in this franchise. That’s it.

      Light (3 years ago)

      To rephrase what you are saying more precisely, SP was awesome when it supported NS through fillers and RTN, but now the studio is awful for supporting NH.

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        No, SP was never awesome. If you haven’t noticed, I have had a problem, so to speak, with SP before the ending. So you might wanna try that paraphrasing again. :)

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          I hope when you writte “SP was never the best”, you are writting it because of Madhouse, Ghibli and Sunrise and not because of NaruSaku.

          Have you ever seen about their history?

          1.Great Teacher Onizuka
          2.Urusei Yatsura
          3.Yu Yu Hakusho
          4.The Twelve Kingdom
          5.Emma
          6.Midori Days
          7.Beelzebub
          8.Bleach
          9.Tokyo Ghoul
          10.Baby Steps
          11.Tegami Bachi

          And so on! As you see, SP created many awasome anime and trust me, Toei is even worse than SP when it comes about “raping famous franchises”. For example, they turned a seinen manga, Kinnikuman Nisei into a child anime just to sell it to children!

          Also, there are faaaar worse studios than SP and Toei, like Arms Production, A-1 and Idea Factory.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          I would suggest taking Bleach and Tokyo Ghoul from that list, SP butchered them

      Rex Julius (3 years ago)

      When you are talking about “movie”, are you referring to the “The Last” movie?

      Sorry, but no matter how much I read your “interesting” theories, all you was carring if the movie will be a NaruSaku movie.

      Maybe it’s me, but since when was shipping an important factor about an anime unless it was a romance anime?

      And you truly start hating an animation company just because they kept what they were promising in the magazines? Remember, they never promised NaruSaku, all magazine scans were about NaruHina.

      http://i.imgur.com/dn9G9nm.jpg

        Shitimoto (3 years ago)

        I only know TWO of the things you listed, and Bleach was just the WORST execution of an Anime EVER!

        Seriously, up to this day, i still don’t understand how the events in bleach worked…
        First they are fighting Aizen and his guys, then suddenly he is like in a parallel universe that has no Aizen, but a bunch of weird masked guys, aaand then suddenly he is IN THE MIDDLE of the fight with Aizen and his guys again BUT has the abilities, that happened in the parallel universe… JUST WTF??? Did time stop for everyone but Ichigo while he was in a different dimension, or is that all filler, and Ichigo just… SUDDENLY learns 100 new fighting techniques in the bling of an eye while fighting grimjaw?

        THIS STUDIO IS HORRIBLE!!!

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

I do not care about the picture the title and the events of the episodes contained within the DVD are what I a prefer to talk about. You are getting angry over a picture.

Your shipping goggles are welded to your face. Even if you remove them you are still blind Anybody who opposes you is just a shipper.

You earned the pathetic point when you glorify Sakura no matter what she does in the manga even when she admits she is wrong. Sasuke did something horrible but he realized that and apologized for it. Sakura just thinks she is always right when she abuses her teammates.

    myass (3 years ago)

    Jeff, I know you’re trying to act all neutral here but your Sakura-hate is beginning to show through and it isn’t nice. I bet you think Hinata is a great character (hahahaha, no). I hate NS with every fibre of my body but not because I hate Sakura. You’re just as bad as Chatte.
    Anyway, this DVD doesn’t even include the Team 7 reunion episode. I’m sure the one that does will have a Team 7 cover. Now, stop being pathetic.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    I’m not angry, I’m just stating a probable fact
    It was a bait, most likely, because it’d make no sense to put this moment on the cover when you have a lot of stronger moments at the same episode

    I don’t have shipping goggles my friend, if there is a unfortunate one with their goggles glued on their face its you. You are the one who is attacking Sakura supposed abusive behavior while being a hypocrite and defending Sasuke behavior , calling it comedy when its obvious that it isnt.
    The comedy present in the Naruto x Sakura or Sakura x Sai scenes is palpable, i don’t need shipping glasses to see it. any normal rational fan could see it
    Few NH are still supporting this idea of sakura being abusive

    I’m not gloryfing Sakura. She was a pretty terrible character, she had a nice development at the beginning of part 2 but somehow kishi managed to fuck his character up.
    Sakura doesnt think she is always right, she beats him to put them on the line, its done for comedy purely

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Angry? Dude, sorry to inform you but the premise on which you started to write your argument is wrong, thereafter your whole argument is pointless.

      Fengshui (3 years ago)

      Yes, you are not angry, you are consumed by hatred because of a shipping, you are even worse than Uchiha Obito…. no, even he is much better.

      And before “no, it’s not because of shipping”, then sorry, you should proclaiming about the plot holes, the stupidties, the logic flaws and other problems much faaar before (right after Kakashi Gaiden). Why didn’t you then back. Oh, yes, because shipping glasses. XD

        Guy (3 years ago)

        @Fengshui
        I’m not angry at all :D

        About Naruto’s downfall in quality, you said it began after kakashi’s gaiden…I don’t agree

        Part 2 began to get really bad at the kage summit arc, in the war arc it got so bad that I actually dropped the manga, I only returned for the final arcs for the sake of closure, so yeah story was pretty bad before and it got even worse with the ending

        So yeah about the ending ,(even if the canon ships were indeed horrible and contributted to the overall shitness) there is still a lot of mistakes, plot holes , retcons ( I explained all of them in another post of mine, I believe you already saw it ) that happened and contributted to this story to end in a low note

        So yeah, not really shipping glasses in my case as you see

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          Sorry, but yes, Naruto went downhill after Kakashi Gaiden. Just some good example:

          1.They made a mass-murdering psycho into Kazekage who loved killing innocent civils even in his own village.
          2.Instead of sending a tracking team to support Team Kakashi to find Gaara, they send a team which hasn’t any tracking skills.
          3.They turn the genjutsu-type Sakura into the cliche tsundere-loli with super strength and later her genjutsu-type disappears until The Last where they are finally remember that Sakur originaly was genjutsu-type.
          4.A 80 years old granny defeats an Akatsuki member right in the first arc of Part 2.
          5.Instead of destroying Gaara’s corpse right away, Deidara use it to make Naruto angered.
          6.Instead of staying silently and wait until Sakura and Chiyo leave like a ninja, Sasori appears in a lame way just to being killed by Chiyo.
          7.Kakashi has Mangekyo Sharingan (which the Obito = Tobi retcon even made it stupider).
          8.Gaara has been revived just because he is a cool emo (and no matter that Chiyo defeated and killed Sasori, Chiyo will still being an arc-only character).
          9.After Deidara captured Gaara, instead of dropping 2-3 bombs on the village to reduce the number of Gaara’s survival, he just simply leave.
          10.Sasori + Deidara, the most shojo bishonen like characters ever created in shonens. Comparing to them even Toneri, Obito, Madara and Jugram Haschwalth from Bleach are Mask De Masculines.

          And I would saying more but I don’t have more fingers.

          But just 5 another:

          1.Danzo the so called engimatic person, the one behind the Uchiha Clan massacare…. if he was so important, why he wasn’t even mentioned or hinted in Part 1? At least he could be at Hiruzen’s funerals.
          2.The mercenary army that Pain was talking in the Hidan & Kakuzu arc…. suddenly gone and never brought back again.
          3.Instead of putting a mind control seal on Sasuke, Orochimaru simply leaving him going up and down…. then wondering how could Sasuke turn againts him.
          4.Neither Kakashi nor Obito gone blind using MS….. despite one of them not even has Hashirama DNA so don’t even has any excuse to not going to blind.
          5.Rinnegan + Rikudo…. only appeared at the half of the story with neither hinting, foreshadowing or at least mentioning in the first 350 chapters!

          So yes, as you can say, Naruto gone on downhill already after the ending of Kakashi Gaiden and only shippingers who got orgams from the “Sakura-chan so cool” marathon don’t want to accept it.

          “about the ending there is still a lot of mistakes, plot holes , retcons”

          I cut out from your shipping glasses so nobody would frame you! XD

          Do you want to see retcon? How about chapter 154 where it has been revealed that Naruto’s first bonds were not Iruka + Sasuke, BUT Shikamaru + Kiba + Choji? Why didn’t you ranted about it back then? Oh, yeah, because shipping glasses. XD

          And again: giving answers for plot holes and mistakes are not the ending’s job, Kishimoto should have done it before chapter 699 + chapter 700. So yeah, if you wanted answers you should needed to asking them way before the final 2 chapters and not in the final two chapters whiches are only 16 pages long. XD

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Rex Julius

          You are grasping at straws.

          Back at early part 2 people still debated what series was better Naruto or One Piece.
          Today this is a joke, because of course One Piece is far superior.
          It’s normal for new elements to be introduced for the second part of the series like Danzo was evne though there was no foreshadowing in part 1, things like this are only minor mistakes…and even though the Naruto-Sasuke centralization was not quite working to the story things could be fixed in the later arcs…but we didn’ got that..

          Things in Naruto only got really bad after Pein arc, the dewcision of Nagato bringing everyone back was ill- made for the story, Kage Summit arc was confusing, revelead a lot of new story points that had no follow up or were followed up by complete shit and had cheaply written and cringe-whorty team seven drama.

          Things really hit the bottom in the war arc though, boring over the top fights crowded the arc with uninteresting and ridiculous plot points to back up, contradictions and retcons of earlier themes of the story were also present in this mess.
          It was also unfortunate that this was the longest arc of them all

          I don’t even have to talk about hte Kaguya arc have I? Complete shit
          The ending had the chance to at least end a otherwise good story with a high note, but instead was only the cherry of the cake in a good turned bad series

    Shitimoto (3 years ago)

    So… pictures are harmless huh?

    Let me be the first to officially welcome you to the internet? You will have a great time here. Just come in, pool’s open, water’s fine!

    Check out this alternative cover for the DVD btw. http://umisoto.com/img70/djs70571.jpg

    Should make NS AND NH fans happy.

narutoprophet (3 years ago)

Naruto Is Awesome,

No offense but SS is an abusive relationship… Sasuke almost killed her with a chidori twice, let her fall in lava, and put her in a very cruel genjutsu.

narutoprophet (3 years ago)

And also people do not have to be in a relationship in order for it to be abusive.

Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

Sasuke acted in self defense because Sakura was trying to kill him nice job missing that, it seems you didn’t read the entire chapter, and yeah it was a cruel genjutsu but if he didn’t knock her out it would have been like the Rooftop Fight and she would have ended up dead.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    By the mental state Sasuke was, I wouldn’t doubt he would try to kill her even if she genuinely wanted to help him

    You also forgot the scene where he tried to erase her with the kirin in Sai-Sasuke arc, when he almos sacrificed her to get a clean shot at Madara, when he almost let her fall in the lava, when he called her useless multiple times during the war, etc

    SS isnt an equal relationship, when she is close to him ,Sakura acts as Sasuke doorstep, her behavior when she is near him is that always of a pathetic insecure weak girl, this basically never changes and thats why SS is a bad relationship and gives a bad message.

    I’m not blaming either of these characters though, it was kishi who fucked up her character and SS with his manner of writing.

      Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

      Sasuke would have let her join if she had earned his trust by killing Karin. That scene also included all of the New Team Kakashi, convenient how you left that out. He was trying to save her when she rushes out to Madara you see the “!” with Naruto AND Sasuke and no he wasn’t trying to cut through her Naruto clearly got her, if you paid attention during the chapter you can clearly see that he looks at her and Kakashi and sees that Kakashi saved them, he said there was nothing she could do fighting a god not multiple times. Yeah Sakura acts much different with Sasuke than with Naruto if Naruto did what Sasuke did he would get a punch through the face, she loves him a lot so it hurts her when Sasuke is being a douche, almost everyone acts different towards different people like Sasuke with Itachi and his Father, Kushina with Minato, and Tsunade with Dan. And I agree Kishi did right SS bad by making Sasuke a douche but hey he is acting in character.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        - So what if he targeted the whole team 7? This just showed Sasuke’s meant business and is not trying to kill people because they are merely an ” annoyance” like some other people here said. In fact Neo team 7 is just alive right now thanks to Orochimaru
        -Read again, he was trying to cut through her when he was after Madara, Naruto saved her
        – You have no indication if Sasuke planned to let Sakura accompany him in the Kage Summit arc, he attacked her before she attacked him, she was still trying to form a plan into her mind at the time
        -The problem with Sakura interaction with Sasuke is that it never evolves, she is always his doorstep, she never standed up against him.
        -He was not caring if she or kakashi died on the lava . as he already said before the only one who mattered to him was Naruto because without Naruto he wouldnt be able to seal Kaguya
        – Kishi made SS bad, not by making Sasuke act like a douche, but by making Sakura act like a insecure stupid useless girl everytime he talks to her
        -Oh please don’t compare Minato and Kushina and Tsunade and dan with some atrocious couple that is SS

        Guy (3 years ago)

        - So what if he targeted the whole team 7? This just showed Sasuke’s meant business and is not trying to kill people because they are merely an ” annoyance” like some other people here said. In fact Neo team 7 is just alive right now thanks to Orochimaru
        -Read again, he was trying to cut through her when he was after Madara, Naruto saved her
        – You have no indication if Sasuke planned to let Sakura accompany him in the Kage Summit arc, he attacked her before she attacked him, she was still trying to form a plan into her mind at the time
        -The problem with Sakura interaction with Sasuke is that it never evolves, she is always his doorstep, she never standed up against him.
        -He was not caring if she or kakashi died on the lava . as he already said before the only one who mattered to him was Naruto because without Naruto he wouldnt be able to seal Kaguya
        – Kishi made SS bad, not by making Sasuke act like a douche, but by making Sakura act like a insecure stupid useless girl everytime he talks to her
        -Oh please don’t compare Minato and Kushina and Tsunade and dan with the atrocious couple that is SS

          Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

          I said he targeted the whole Team Kakashi because you said he attacked Sakura, he didn’t attack her until she rushed at him.
          He clearly had the “!” on him when she rushed at Madara, and you see Naruto grabbing Sakura then Sasuke trying to slash Madara.
          When Sakura came Sasuke was going to let her join, he needed a medic since Karin wasn’t “alright” and he didn’t trust her and thought she was planning something since she was going to attack him in their first Part 2 meeting, before he attacks her he says “you couldn’t do it huh”. I agree she doesn’t stand up to Sasuke but the only one who actually stands up to Sasuke’s shit is Naruto not even Kakashi does it. He clearly looks at them than saves Naruto when he saw Kakashi saving Sakura and himself, he said that to act tough just look at his face when Naruto brings up the Haku incident. I was comparing people acting OOC around somepeople I clearly brought up Itachi and Sasuke so I wasn’t talking about couples.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          - It was the entire team kakashi at the moment, I just used what you said to debuke an argument used by another poster here, that sasuke only attacks because of an supposed “annoyance”

          -If Naruto didn’t grab Sakura she would’ve been dead man

          -Are you inside Sasuke’s mind to say this? Based on his craziness at the moment its higly unbelievable he was truly trusting her, and you are wrong, Sasuke didnt say anything, he just attacked

          -False, Naruto isnt the only one who stands up to Sasuke, plenty of people did.
          Kakashi (Ch 483) , the entirety of rookie nine ( when they decided to kill him) , wtc.
          Sakura is the only one that for whatever means was NEVER able to act like herself around him, she was nothing but a shadow from the strong kunoichi we saw at the beginning of part 2, she was clumsy, insecure and all around weak willed around Sasuke. Not even once does this dynamic changed.

          -Ah once again another retcon? Sasuke was stated by kishimoto to be a pure character, one who speaks his mind and is brutally honest, just see how he called sakura useless and completely undermined Kakashi
          And yeah a couple of pages later Kakashi and Sakura ended up falling into the lava and naruto had to save them again…and back at the kaguya arc, Naruto asked Sasuke to save Sakura one time, and Kakashi ended up saving her …yeah I see.

          Man, Sasuke’s only bond was Naruto (and ocasionnaly TAKA, ex: Sasuke vs Killer Bee), he was an asshole to pretty much everyone else. SS is abusive because Sakura is a complete doorstep towards him, it was never represented as an equal relationship.
          So much that in 700 what we have? Sasuke travelling round the world and Sakura reduced to housework ( pretty underwhelming for the potential she had and her goals, AKA catch up with her teammates)

          Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

          -Sakura rushes at Madara like the idiot she is and Sasuke rushes first, Naruto grabs Sakura and you see Sasuke trying to slash Madara since she is safe obviously this isn’t romantic but i’m taking about the argument that he “doesn’t care for Sakura”.
          -I never stated he trusted her to gain his trust since he knows her feelings for him she had to kill Karin since she said she would help destroy the Leaf. You don’t have to be inside Sasuke’s mind to understand this, he did say it in Naruto 483 Page 7 when he says “What is wrong Sakura can’t do it”.
          -Sakura wasn’t insecure when around Sasuke he is the one who cheered her up in the Chunin Exams when she was down, she is only shown to not stand up against Sasuke because only Naruto does this, Kakashi just starts licking Sasuke’s balls when he told him to shut up and he said Sasuke was right, while Naruto calls Sasuke on his shit.
          -It seems you ignored the panel when he CLEARLY looks at KakaSaku first and then sees that Kakashi has it under control. I don’t understand he was going to save her but Kishi forgot that he had to make Kakashi relevant like Sakura by pulling something out of his ass (Sakura’s “I was storing chakra for THREE years” and Kakashi’s Perfect Susano’o) and have him save Sakura.
          -Sakura did change she REALLY loves Sasuke unlike her Fangirl self in which she gave zero fucks about Naruto and didn’t know anything about Sasuke, if you are refering to 699 she asks to go with him since he is reformed and will accept her love and blushes because her reason was cleary romantic.
          -Sasuke cares for Team Taka but he cares more about Team 7 he is shown to care more and save Team 7 more times than Team Taka, he cares for Sakura since she is the most important person to him after Naruto and before Kakashi. Sorry but Sasuke was an asshole to EVERYONE but Itachi, he tells Naruto to stop whining about his father getting hurt because he is an Edo but does the same to Itachi, he tells Sakura she can’t do anything when she asks a simple question which he answers, and he told Kakashi the same thing and said she shut up to him, he threw Karin when he grabbed her and pireced her when she was taken hostage, he leaves Jugo and Suigestau dead and later tells them what they want from him. Sakura goal wasn’t to catch up to NaruSasu cause that is immposble it was to win Sasuke’s love which she did and there is no reason for her to be a Medic in times of Peace and she cleary CHOSE to be for her Salad.
          -In case you haven’t noticed I am not saying Sasuke has romantic feelings for Sakura proir 699 I am just saying he deeply cares about her which you seem to disagree with.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @NarutoIsAwesome

          Well Sasuke cares about Sakura as a teammate…back in part 1
          but he cut those bonds. they only returned after 699, so yeah through all part 2 he doesnt really care about Sakura specifically

          now about your points
          -You need to see that panel better, clearly if Naruto didn’t interfere, Sasuke would’ve used her dumb charge as an opening to hit Madara

          -I see …but the “can’t you do it?” doesnt indicate anything.
          Sakura had clearly took out a Kunai and was heading for Karin, of course if Sasuke really wanted her to join him he would’ve waited to see if she actually would be able to do it. but alas he was never planning to let her join him. He just wanted to kill her

          -You are talking about part 1 Sakura and the only one instance in every SS interaction where Sasuke brought her confidence up…only 1 in a manga of 700 chapters…let that sink for a minute.
          Besides Sakura at part 1 was a fangirl trying to win Sasuke affections to the point where it was bordering a unhealthy obsession where she was considering leaving her family and friends to accompany him or trying to make him stay saying things regarding her own selfish feelings,
          The weak willed, insecure Sakura is present at part 2 where she never standed up to Sasuke even once. Hell …her outburst in 693 is pratically a copy of her confession at part 1…Thats what i call character development (NOT)

          -Care to tell me what happened after that panel? Sakura and Kakashi were falling into the lava and naruto had to save them…

          – Why Sakura loves Sasuke? Why did her love got so deep? questions like these were never ansered…instead we got Kakashi saying shit like “Love doesnt need a reason…”
          like seriously…
          And apparently we gonna get a sakura nopvel detailing her “hidden feelings”…and I thought that love needed no reason! LOL

          Her love for him doesn’t make sense, it isnt cohesive.
          I already said in another post back there that if SS was presented in another manner it could ba acceptable, but the way it was presented in the whole part 2 gives the impression that sakura is a doorstep to Sasuke..this isnt a good relationship at all

          Sasuke was an asshole to everyone you are right, but dont forget her thought higly of Naruto and genuinely liked TAKA until he went bonkers in the Kage Summit arc. The main problem in the relationship is the fact that Sakura never standed up to him. even if Sasuke’s behavior towards her makes her sad she was never able to fight against it…she ws never able to show how she really is

          Sakura’s goal was to catch up to her teammates, man , I refuse to believe her goal was to get Sasuke’s love, this makes her entire character shallow and basically a glorified pairing fodder. It’s sad. for the sake of early part 2 sakura , don’t do that to her.

          It is easy to show Sakura talking with Sarada while she is working isnt? Why didn Kishi do it? Did Sakura had to really choose between Sarada and a career? You can’t say that because this wasnt elaborated. If kishi so wanted he could have shown Sarada visiting her mother at the work place…its pretty common nowadays don’t you know? Mothers that actually can work too

          Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

          He says they are like “a second family” so he clearly loves them deeply, he says he will cut all ties because that is his idea for “Hokage”. Sasuke simply wasn’t in Part 2 with Team 7 until the final battle, he cares by looking at SakuKaka first, rescue Sakura, and catches her (It obviously was a SS moment).

          Please reread the chapter, on page 5 or 6 of 676 Naruto and Kakashi look surprised at Sakura getting pierced by Madara and Sasuke gets his Chidori sword out first, he sees Naruto take Sakura and attempts to slice Madara but fails.

          Sakura was clearly hesitating, now what does that tell you she says she will help destroy the village she is from for Sasuke but can’t kill a random criminal without hesitation.

          Sorry but Sakura stopped being a fangirl in Chunin Exams. In the Chunin Exams she calls him a coward (Even though she was doing jack-shit) during the Oro fight, why would a so called fangirl do this, she worries about his Mark and attempts to tell the superiors about this at the risk of Sasuke hating her. She was desperate man, the boy she loves was about to leave to a place where he might die. She isn’t supposed to develop out of her love her love developed from a Fangirl crush to selfless love for him, Naruto didn’t develop from his chasing after Sasuke when he clearly could have said “fuck it”. NaruSasu are gods and she felt that that was all she could do to stop him.

          In the first page of Chapter 680 he looks at KakaSakuObi and then when he sees Kaka has it under control he saves Naruto, he confirms this when Naruto asks how in the next page and he says that Kaka saved them, if you are taking about when Naru discovered his flying ability his chakra points where pierced and he couldn’t use Susano’o

          Sakura has given no reason, IDK why Kishi did this he could have easily shown Sasuke standing up to the bullies of Sakura in Sakura’s flashback like Karin’s story but I think he just wanted to show Sakura’s Love evovle from a crush to love. The novel is about the RESULTS of Sakura’s love.

          True point, but Sasuke is a douche by Nature he isn’t going to be lovey-dovey with Sakura because that is OOC he is shown to be harsh but I doubt he still is after his fight with Naruto

          He liked Taka and his most important person is Naruto, he admired Sakura’s ability when she releases her bullshit power up, she doesn’t stand up to him you are right.

          Sakura as a character sucks really badly, she simply is not as good as the other main characters in fact she cannot compete with them from a character stand point. In chapter 4 it was stated that she wanted to earn Sasuke’s love that is what she is man, she cannot catch up to NaruSasu in a million years.

          What is the point, Sakura in cleaning her house is used to demonstrate the times of Peace since Sakura can just stay there with her child, she never wanted to be a Medic.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          ————————-
          —Ah no, Sasuke cut his bonds with Kakashi and Sakura.
          During the shipudden the only member of team 7 that really still mattered to him was Naruto and thats why he wanted that final fight to completely server his bonds with him. So yeah, Sasuke cared a little for team 7 ( he even cared for TAKA for god’s sake ) no doubt about this, but he basically didn’t gave a lot of fucks about them as he gave to Naruto, in short he had no problem letting kakashi or sakura die if he attained his objectivies in the end.A nd please I said he didn’t care about Sakura specifically, there was never a hint of this, if anything he cared for her as a member of team seven.
          I don’t know what SS moment you are talking
          about

          —I checked, and you are wrong, he uses Sakura as an opening, if not for Naruto she would’ve been done for, Sakura even (pathetically) remarks that he doesnt seem to care. But idk, that panel was kinda messed up, I got that impression I did with what sakura said

          —If Sasuke really wanted her to join him he would have waited, you are trying to argue for insane!Sasuke…stop dude. Even as a asshole as Sasuke normally is, at that time he was completely insane.

          —Oh you remembered that huh, yeah after that time at the forest, I thought her behavior would change and she would focus more on her training instead of trying to woo Sasuke (again) like a fangirl does…I was wrong though.
          Just look at her confession, she compares the pain he felt with the loss of his family with the loneliness she would feel if he left, she selfishly asked to accompany him leaving her family and friends behind…WTF
          I though SS had a chance to be plausible if somehow her feelings matured and developed but she showed in 693 that she still didn’t understood Sasuke at all.
          “Sasuke, if I have any place in your heart! Don’t do this! ”
          OMG seriously? Sakura stand up to him at least once !
          Naruto developed, he finally understood why Sasuke was doing what he did, Sakura on the other hand never got the chance, and also her love for him is not selfless, its selfish, Sasuke doesn’t know nothing about Sasuke, when she confesses to him she put HER feelings in detail …its not something like the promise of lifetime, when Naruto put sakura’s feelings above his own

          —I’m talking about when Sakura and Kakashi ended up falling into the lava and Naruto had to use his hand to catch them, Sasuke was preoccupied with Kaguya at the time.

          —The novel is about Sakura’s hidden feelings, idk what this means , seriously,
          And yeah Kishi could have done that, he could shown Sasuke pre-Uchiha destruction standing up to Sakura or something…but he didn’t care enough.
          If thats was showing “crush to love” was his objective he did a pretty poor job at it

          My opinion:
          The ideal way for SS to happen with the canon material that was given was if Sasuke and Sakura established a friendship at the end of the series, Sakura having matured from her shallow crush. Then based around the timeskip their friendship could turn into something more. Natural progression
          But showing Sakura still acting that way in 699 was sad

          —“He likes TAKA” – agree
          “he admired her” – he did, indeed, after what she did just a hater wouldn’t admit she made a pretty good damage
          “she doesnt stand up to him”- Yes , thanks, thats one of the reason I though the pairing needed more work

          —Sakura character sucked in the end, you are right kishi did a pretty job. Making sakura’s ultimate goal ending up with sasuke just makes her a glorified pairing fodder, so i don’t quite like to say thats was her goal at the end.

          —Peace was desmontrated in other ways ( Tenten’s speech abotu low sales, etc), Sakura could have been shown in the Hokage tower as the director of the hospital ( what Tsunade was) , anything to make the ending not so underwhelming to her character.

          We have our disagreements but you are a good debater dude, seriously. All the respect for you :D

          Naruto is Awesome (3 years ago)

          LOl, We obviously do have our disagreements but you are one of the few NS fans (I assume you are) that is a good debater, you changed my mind in some aspects of the SS relation bro ^_^

Fengshui (3 years ago)

I don’t know why didn’t you allow to reply to this but I will:

“The point everybody forgets here is that you cannot compare the whole thing surrounding RTN given what that movie represented and what The Last represented in the context of a 15 years running series.”

Why cannot? Kishimoto was involved in both of them, both movies were sold with “Kishimoto involved” + “Sasuke + Kakashi will have major important roles just see how much we advertising them so we sure not lie to you”.

“RTN was clearly described from the very beginning to be an AU, yadda yadda yadda, whereas this is the last part of a story who ran for 15 years and which had many unanswered questions they promised to answer, when all they did was nothing of the sorts, on the contrary.”

Oh really? And what were those “unanswered questions” that they “promised” to answer to you? Oh, yeah, they didn’t promised anything that. All they said it will be a romance story and the movie will show an even from the blank period (aka between chapter 699 and 700).

Okay, so you are saying that a nearly one and half hour movie shall answer all the plot holes, all the logic errors and all other stuff that has been gathered up since the beginning of Part 2 with the asspull called “making a mass-murdering psycho teenager an important politican” and not even 400 chapters was enough?

Not offense at all, but aren’t you high? Only insane people would believe that 400 chapter plot holes and logic errors can be answered in either two 16 pages long chapters or a one and half long movie.

So yeah, giving answers should be already started around chapter 550-580, little dear.

“The only comparison you can draw between RTN and The Last is the quality of their content in terms of canon implications and that’s why RTN will top The Last at any time, no matter how shiny things look at the surface, because as I said, on the underneath, they’re rotten.”

So, you are saying RTN is not full of logic errors or plot holes?

1.Why did Menma left the village + became evil even before meeting with Tobi?
2.Why did everybody ignored that Naruto was calling himself as Naruto and not Menma no matter how many times they call him?
3.How could Naruto release Kurama while Naruto only destroyed the seal when he was on the Turtle Island and the war was going on?
4.Why didn’t Sakura either know who was Minato or that Minato was Naruto’s father if RTN is “canon”?
5.Why did they turn Sakura into an orphan insultor and saying Sasuke would understand her DESPITE Sasuke already scolded her for that and Sakura promised that she won’t do that anymore?
6.Why didn’t Tobi took over the controll of his own genjutsu despite he was the one who created it?
7.Why did Tobi created an exit for Naruto and Sakura if his goal was to keep Naruto in genjutsu until he extracting the fox from him?

I would listing all the logic errors and plot holes, but I hope I don’t need it.

So yeah, so much about it’s “pure content”. Again, let’s just see their misleading, full of lie and false advertising marketing for RTN again?

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As you can see, RTN promised us Team Seven too. When did The Last promising us Team Seven? ;P

So yeah, RTN’s marketing and advertising were far more disgusting and much more expensive too.

Here’s some of the advertising of RTN.

http://universerulers777.tumblr.com/post/110330068454/advertising-and-marketing-of-naruto-movies-part-1

And that’s all for you, buddy! ;P

But now I would ask you something:

You, who hates SasuSaku because it is “abusive relationship”, why do you shipping an even worse and more abusive relationship called as “SasuKarin”, where Karin unlike Sakura was truly giving up on Naruto in chapter 485, yet you are don’t give a crap about her character development? Sakura must move on but Karin can’t? Don’t you think it is hypocrism and the only reason you shipping it because to “if can’t kill Sasuke”, then give him someone”?

    Guy (3 years ago)

    Well, I never shipped Sasukarin. It could have a chance if Karin matured after her “almost killed” incident with Sasuke and stopped her craqzy fangirling but alas Kishi chose to make her remain the same way

    And man…stop comparing RTN with the Last
    , The Last is cannon RTN isn’t it.
    RTN has the same inconsistencies present in other Naruto movies and fillers because they aren’t canon.
    The Last having inconsistencies is a problem because its actually canon to the manga history…and thats why it got so much negative attention.

    RTN main focus was Naruto with his family, and it gave us that. The Last main focus was the promotion of Sasuke, Hinata, Kakashi, Sai, Shikamaru, Sakura and Naruto
    We only got NH scenes. Sai, Shikamaru and Sakura didn’t even got actual fights. Sasuke appeared for 17 seconds, Kakashi never showed his power as hokage, so yeah I would say that regarding marketing issues the Last production team did worse than with RTN

Rex Julius (3 years ago)

The final chapter in volume 72 is out:

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Well, looks like those “japanese Naruto fans hate the ending” was only concering for NaruSaku and SasuKarin fans, as if any of your “majority of japanese Naruto fans hated the ending” was true, then Kishimoto shoudl change the ending.

But as you see, he didn’t change the ending despite the so called “negative responses” and Kishimoto had november + december + january to change both his mind and the ending. But since Kishimoto didn’t change the ending it is equal to the fact that what you said was actually the opposite, because if Kishimoto didn’t change his mind and didn’t changed the ending for the final volume it means that majority of japanese Naruto fans actually liked the ending or were satisfied.

About your “opinion” of the latest Naruto movie, don’t you think it’s hypocrise to saying that you wanted “answers” from the movie while ALL of your Naruto The Last posts were ONLY ABOUT THAT THE LAST MOVIE WILL BE A NARUSAKU ROMANCE MOVIE AND HINATA IS JUST A MARKETING DOLL?

Sorry, but to me someone, who was only talking about for the “The Last” movie that it will be a NaruSaku movie, but now he/she saying that it was not about it but “unanswered questions”, is nothing more but a hypocrise.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    No, Kishi shouldn’t change the ending just because the fans hate the ending. Don’t confuse the two and make it seem like everything is okay in your fairy land. Plus changing the content of an already printed volume… Do you even have an idea how much that takes? The costs, the production itself and the money for the production itself? Just because you’re trying to paint it nicely, doesn’t mean it’s a nice paint, because you see, some people see past your shiny paint.

    And yes, he didn’t change the ending yet he didn’t even colored it. Such importance he gave apparently to this chapter that he couldn’t be bothered to put the already colored version in the final print.

    So yeah, next time you try your mojo-jojo around and make it seem that things can so easily be done and it’s no biggie or whatever you’re trying to allude to, make sure you take into account many other things that people in the industry actually do take into account when analyzing these sorts of things. :)

    As for my opinion on the movie, no, it’s not hypocrisy to say I wanted answers from the movie since they themselves advertised it like such and also, my posts weren’t ONLY about that The Last movie will be a NaruSaku romance and Hinata is just a marketing doll. My posts were my opinions in regards to the advertised romance. They said we’ll be seeing a romance, I expressed my opinions that in terms of romance, I believe it will be NaruSaku since the manga’s been hinting at it for years. Two different things.
    You should, in the meantime, try to learn to make the difference. The fact that I speak more or less about a subject doesn’t mean it’s the only subject or point of view I’m gonna be talking/giving opinions about. :)
    There are many things to take into considerations when making statements such as these, but I’m not here to educate you. If you haven’t figured that by yourself by now… oh well, to each his own.
    Have a good day!

      Rex Julius (3 years ago)

      “No, Kishi shouldn’t change the ending just because the fans hate the ending. Don’t confuse the two and make it seem like everything is okay in your fairy land. Plus changing the content of an already printed volume… Do you even have an idea how much that takes? The costs, the production itself and the money for the production itself? ”

      BioWare changed the ending of Mass Effect 3 right 2-3 months after it’s release and trust me, changing the ending of a videogame need MUCH more money than changing two-three pages. XD

      “And yes, he didn’t change the ending yet he didn’t even colored it. Such importance he gave apparently to this chapter that he couldn’t be bothered to put the already colored version in the final print.”

      I don’t know what have you been reading or if you ever had a japanese manga tankobon in your hand but the majority of them – including Dragon Ball Z – always turned the originaly colored pages to black-grey-white.

      And nope, Volume 72 WAS THE LAST chance for NaruSaku fans to get their “NaruSaku ending”. Or do you honestly believe that Kishimoto will make another entire volume now the official ending to change the ending for the minority? And you calling other people living in dream world. But what should we guess from someone who made “theories” about the ending, calling it “fake” and that the “true ending will be the movie where NaruSaku will be canon”. It’s amazing that there were people who even buying these hallucinations!

      “my opinion on the movie, no, it’s not hypocrisy to say I wanted answers from the movie since they themselves advertised it like such and also, my posts weren’t ONLY about that The Last movie will be a NaruSaku romance and Hinata is just a marketing doll. My posts were my opinions in regards to the advertised romance. They said we’ll be seeing a romance, I expressed my opinions that in terms of romance, I believe it will be NaruSaku since the manga’s been hinting at it for years. ”

      Nope, they never promised that they will answer all the stupidity came since the ending of Kakashi Gaiden, all they promised:

      1.The movie will be a romance movie.

      2.NaruHina.

      3.Kakashi will be the Hokage + Sasuke will FINALY DO SOMETHING IMPORTANT – saved Konoha from the destruction, yeah, don’t thank him, after all, except Naruto and Hiruzen nobody else was able to save Konoha from destruction, not even Lady Fanservice Tsunade. Truly not a big deal. XD

      4.Shikamaru + Sai will be promoted to main characters.

      And that’s all they promised!

      Don’t you think that Kishimoto should giving answers faaaaaar before the final Naruto VS Sasuke fight? Giving answers is not the ending’s job, but all the chapters BEFORE the ending. But I have the feeling that you don’t know anything about story development.

      And if I would be a shippinger, I would note: ALL STUPID PAIRINGS WERE HINTED YEARS AND ALL OF THEM WERE HANDLED HORRIBLY! The ONLY pairing that was not one-sided and had mutual interest between the pairs was Dan + Tsunade, they were the only realistic pairing in this manga. Everything else were copypast from the worst cliches.

      But now that we are at this topic:

      You, who hates SasuSaku because it is a so called “abusive” relationship, why do you shipping an even worse and even more abusive pairing like SasuKarin, where unlike Sakura Karin truly given up on Sasuke and abadoned her feelings? If you hate abusive pairings, hate ALL of them, not just one because of your shipping!

        Guy (3 years ago)

        Stop tying to compare a western gaming industry with the manga industry. It doesnt work like that.

        If Kishi changes the ending he will lose even more credibility because the Naruto fandom is fractured, what is done is done. He fucked up , end of story

        quoting what i said before…
        ” The Last main focus was the promotion of Sasuke, Hinata, Kakashi, Sai, Shikamaru, Sakura and Naruto
        We only got NH scenes. Sai, Shikamaru and Sakura didn’t even got actual fights. Sasuke appeared for 17 seconds, Kakashi never showed his power as hokage”

        The movie was just a glorified shoujo, any true Naruto fan that didn’t had a soft spot for NH liked this movie.

        Answer all the plot points was the manga job, it failed simple as that. the pairings were bad because
        1) One had more negative development than positive development
        2) Underdeveloped,
        Kishimoto had to explain why NH happened based on NS interaction. He had to say that it was all a red herring for NH to become valid.

        but really the pairings are just the point of the iceberg…the ending was bad all around, just the shitty cherry on the horrible cake that was these later arcs of Naruto

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          “” The Last main focus was the promotion of Sasuke, Hinata, Kakashi, Sai, Shikamaru, Sakura and Naruto
          We only got NH scenes. Sai, Shikamaru and Sakura didn’t even got actual fights. Sasuke appeared for 17 seconds, Kakashi never showed his power as hokage””

          1.Then what was the fight againts The Gatekeeper? Sai + Shikamaru + Sakura action. Have I even remind you the team battles againts Toneri’s army too?

          2.Sure, Sasuke appeared for 17 seconds, but unlike RTN this time Sasuke did SOMETHING IMPORTANT = saved Konoha from destruction. Or saving Konoha is not a feat anymore? Who was able to protect Konoha except Naruto and Hiruzen? Tsunade, who was not even a match againts Pain? ;P

          3.Kakashi lost his Mangeky Sharingan, so what did you except from him? Reviving Obito to borrow his Susanoo again? ;P

          “The movie was just a glorified shoujo,”

          Retard! XD Do you even know what is shojo? Shojo is not a genre but an audiance marking, like seinen, josei and shonen. Shonen marking the 10-16 years old boys, shojo marking the 10-16 years girls.

          Midori Days, Love Hina, Love College, they all are shonens despite they are looks like shojo. ;P

          “The pairings were bad because
          1) One had more negative development than positive development
          2) Underdeveloped,”

          Yes, and we both know they are:

          1)SasuKarin
          2)NaruSaku = sorry, but those who are saying it was not one-sided are just as blind as NaruHina fans. Why did Sakura rejected the stone ninja? Because of Sasuke and not Naruto. Whom did Sakura confessed true, sincere love twice? Sasuke and all Naruto got was just a guilty fake misleading “confession” to lure Naruto from Sasuke until the others hunt him down.

          About the ending, it’s not the ending’s job to answer all flaws and plot-holes of the manga but to close it. You should wanting answers before the ending, but no, you was satisfied with the NaruSaku possibility. XD

          Guy (3 years ago)

          –That little bit was underwhelming for a movie that was supposed to be epic, sorry if I had high standarts, unlike you I’m not happy with shit so I don’t really count fodder fights.
          Compare to the “will of fire” movie, everybody fought there.

          –Sasuke saved konoha against a meteor…okay, but just appearead for 17 seconds while doing this…Are you seriously happy with that? I doubt any Sasuke fan was happy with that.

          –I expected him to do someting!!…the hokage is supposed to be strong right? Couldn’t kishimoto show us what he inveted to cope with the fact that he has no sharingan? Kakashi is a genius after all

          –I said right, the movie was a romance directed for these girls. Naruto used to be a Shounen ( for young boys), these boys don’t typically like romance at all, tahts why it isnt a big part in a shonen
          This movie most definitely didn’t gave any shonen feels, its plot looked like recycled shoujo garbage so yeah, the last is a glorified shojo. and you called me a retard…how mature
          These series you said are quite like a harem with lots of fanservice, young boys like this kinda shit too. So yeah i don’t think the last falls into this category either, instead its plot remembers me from a badly done sailor moon movie, even the kiss was a ripoff

          –Ok then…
          1-Sasukarin had negative development too, sasuke tried to kill her and she still came back as a fangirl. It had potential at some time but Kishi ruined it in canon
          2- NS had moments on both sides, but yeah every pairing in the series was one-sided. My reason for supporting it is logic and the fact that I thought back then at the beginning of part 2 that from all of these pairings NS had the most chance of being mutual.
          Kishi even recognized this, in fact NS development eclipsed NH so much Kishi had to try to discard it as a red herring

          –Ahh no..I always criticized Naruto’s plot and story when things were going to shit. Plot, story and characters are more important to me than pairings.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          And you obviously don’t know what an ending is @RexJulius.

          I gave a class about it down there, be sure to check it out

TTrasengan (3 years ago)

So this debate still rages on lol. It’s funny, NS fans are like the movie is a failure, others say otherwise. All these statements based on a movie most of you haven’t seen yet lol. Of course no one’s opinion is biased right?? (lol sarcasm). Like just let it go, if you hate the ending all because of your ship not happening (don’t BS and claim it’s for any reason other than that) then just let it go. Yes the ending could’ve been better, I believe Sasuke’s change felt rushed, but it’s an ending for 15 years worth of writing done in like 20 something pages of a manga, what do you expect?? Kishi was never going to be able to please his entire fan base. You former Naruto fans have shown your true colours, the moment things didn’t go your way you don’t just stop following Naruto you start trashing all of Kishi’s work… It’s so sad to watch how disgusting and self absorbed you people can be.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    I already pointed to you the others factos ( other than the pairings) which contributed to the bad feeling this ending gave, but you never replied did you?
    And iI did watch the last, just to have a basis when commenting about it, and its indeed a terrible movie.

    The ending could have been saved if Kishi didn’t choose to end the manga in 700 chapters, we nedeed more resolution chapters and then chapter 700 could act as an omake for part 3, not a real ending, since its just a setup

    As for showing “true colors”, well pairings were never much of a thing to me, I liked NS because it seemed obvious plot progression for the characters and even lking the pairing I cared more about the plot and the story and thats why I stopped following Naruto back at the boring war arc
    I only returned for the last arc, for closure’s sake and as a former fan and consumer, one who spent his money buying mangas and games from the franchise, I have the right to complain about the product that it was given to me.

    NH and SS could have been good pairings with the proper interactions and development, in fact NH isnt SO bad since it isnt centered around abuse. NH main problem comes in the form of Hinata’s character lack of motivation outside of “Naruto”, I believe that if she had an arc given to her, things could be properly done.
    Instead we got the Last, a movie that focused on Hinata but surprise surprise, we didn’t saw any development in her character, just saw her thinking about Naruto constantly, knitting a scarf while her sister was having her eyes gouged out, and her somehow becoming another chid of destiny, another point that completely destroyed one of the series main plot points since part 1 ( the “fuck destiny ” plot” ´point.

    So yeah, as I far as I’m seeing, any REAL fan would be disgruntled with the ending, and the ending arcs, just because plot points estabilished in the best parts of the story were completely wiped out and forgotten.
    The ones who LOVE the ending however, almost always do because of the piring resolutions

      Rex Julius (3 years ago)

      “Last, a movie that focused on Hinata but surprise surprise, we didn’t saw any development in her character, just saw her thinking about Naruto constantly, knitting a scarf while her sister was having her eyes gouged out,”

      LOL, sorry, but Hinata in order to get closer to both Hanabi and destroy the Tenseigan had break Naruto’s heart by “accepting” Toneri’s offer.

      Also, there’s a scene where Hinata sits next to Hanabi and holding her hand and promising her that she will stop Toneri and the Tenseigan.

      So yeah, truly not cares about Hanabi, suuuuure. XD

      “The ending could have been saved if Kishi didn’t choose to end the manga in 700 chapters, we nedeed more resolution chapters and then chapter 700 could act as an omake for part 3, not a real ending, since its just a setup”

      There are no “if”s. Yes, would be better if Kishimoto wrotte +50 chapters, but he didn’t, so he had to close the manga in two 16 pages long chapters.

      Also, the ending are chapter 699 + The Last (699.5) + chapter 700. Since The Last has “699.5”, it means there will be some “699.2”, “699.7” ect too, so much about your “opinion”.

      “I liked NS because it seemed obvious plot progression for the characters”

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…. NS has nothing to do with the story, idiot! It was just a fanservice like NH, ST, SS, SK ect! Proof that to you NS was the “plot”! XD XD

      “NH main problem comes in the form of Hinata’s character lack of motivation outside of “Naruto””

      Oh, yeah, and what was Sakura’s dream? Become a doctor? Oh no, TO BECOME SASUKE’S LOVER! – read chapter 4. XD

      “So yeah, as I far as I’m seeing, any REAL fan would be disgruntled with the ending, and the ending arcs, just because plot points estabilished in the best parts of the story were completely wiped out and forgotten.”

      With that power the ENTIRE PART 2 must be hated by the “real fans”, because the downhill started right after the end of Kakashi Gaiden. Just some prime example:

      – They made a mass-murdering psycho into Kazekage who murdered innocents in his villages too.
      – Akatsuki, a ninja organisation, instead of using disguses they are using flashy coats that even the elementary children recognise.
      – Instead of sending a tracking team to support Team Kakashi, they send a team who has no tracking abilities.

      And so on, so yes, the problems and downhill already started after Kakashi Gaiden. ;P

      “The ones who LOVE the ending however, almost always do because of the piring resolutions”

      Oh, sure, and not because:

      1.Naruto redeemed Sasuke and Team Seven’s bonds revived.
      2.Each of the main characters achived their dreams that they wanted since chapter 4
      – Naruto become the Hokage
      – Sasuke revive his clan
      – Sakura gains Sasuke’s love
      3.Nostalgia
      4.Saw a fragment from each of the most important characters’s future
      5.The new generation.

      And so on. Sure not becaus of these, suuuuure noooot. XD XD XD

        Guy (3 years ago)

        —There is a scene where sToneri sees Hinata’s mind…he only sees Naruto. that pretty much shoulf tell everything to you
        Hinata herself acknowledged the fact she was acting like a horrible sister chosing to knit a scarf while her sister was in trouble LOL

        —LOL at you, if kishi chose to shit on his story with that horrible kaguya arc its not my fault, the Naruto x Sasuke fight was pitfull compared to the original one in part 1 and the ending felt rushed as hell. He didnt need to somehow end exactly at chapter 700, if he used some extra chapters he could have tied up some loose ends but alas…
        The manga is completed, this is the ending we got. Stop trying to delude yourself with 699.7, 699.3 or things like that, the closest we have to this are the novels that its not even kishimoto work. If anything Studio Pierrot might came up with some filler for it…yeah you heard right…FILLER.
        The manga run is over, deal with it. He even had the chance to take care of some things with the added pages in volume 72, but he choose to put mugshots of Naruto and Sasuke instead LOL
        Besides Kishi right now is probably focusing in trying to create something for the atrocity that is part 3.

        —I don’t mean the progression for the pairing, but the characteres involved in it , based on early Naruto it would make sense for Sakura character to recognize who was always there for her and her own hidden feelings for him, as it would make sense for Naruto’s hard work in having everyone noticing him
        This was referenced in the Gutsy of Ninja novel where Tsuyu (Sakura’s expy) gets togheter with Naruto ( Naruto’s expy ) at the end

        SS and NH were viable options, but kishi failed to develop them properly

        —Chap 4? oh you mean at the beginning, if you read later part 1 chapters and early part 2 chapters you would see that sakura’s goal was to protect Naruto and Sasuke, and catch up to them. Unfortunately in later part 2 arcs Kishimoto ruined them

        – –I already talked about part 2…and I will quote:
        “It’s normal for new elements to be introduced for the second part of the series like Danzo was evne though there was no foreshadowing in part 1, things like this are only minor mistakes…and even though the Naruto-Sasuke centralization was not quite working to the story things could be fixed in the later arcs…but we didn’ got that..
        Things in Naruto only got really bad after Pein arc, the dewcision of Nagato bringing everyone back was ill- made for the story, Kage Summit arc was confusing, revelead a lot of new story points that had no follow up or were followed up by complete shit and had cheaply written and cringe-whorty team seven drama.
        Things really hit the bottom in the war arc though, boring over the top fights crowded the arc with uninteresting and ridiculous plot points to back up, contradictions and retcons of earlier themes of the story were also present in this mess.
        It was also unfortunate that this was the longest arc of them all”

        Early part 2 was good, not as good as part 1 mind you but it had potential, Naruto was still being compared to One Piece at the time, I retain my opinion that things got really bad after Pein arc. Besides thats around thee time sales began decreasing too


        1- Naruto redeemed Sasuke,team 7 revived

        well this was a given that it would happen, everyone expected this, though even team 7 fans were angry because the ending didn’t actually show how thei bond truly is..
        What we got is Naruto in a boring meeting,
        Sakura dusting and sasuke travelling

        2–.”Each of the main characters achived their dreams that they wanted since chapter 4
        – Naruto become the Hokage
        – Sasuke revive his clan
        – Sakura gains Sasuke’s love”

        -Did we got to see Naruto biggest moment of victory? He basically got handed the place form Kakashi and we didnt even got to see how it happened
        -Sasuke didnt wanted to revive his clan with Uchiha babies, he wanted to purify his clan image by destroying knonha and later the ninja system, he said this in chapter 483 or 484…
        and we didn’t got to see if the image his clan had changed…
        Besides its bad if the uchiha clan revives itself, its a clan with a curse if you didnt pay attention, most of them are sick in the head. In fact it would be better for salad if she never awakened the sharingan
        —Sakura wanted to catch up with her teammates and protect them, to support naruto’s dream, and we didnt see that.
        I refuse to believe Sakura sole goal in live was that of a glorified pairing fodder, pls

        3- Nostalgia
        well, this is a personal matter, at least with me I didn’t felt any nostalgiawhen reading the last chapter…things looked strange with all the tech and the errors in the art put me off

        4-Saw a fragment…
        It wasnt enough really since the chapter was focused more in the offspring ( thats was I say 700 would be better as an omake) , and yet still lacked characters like orochimaru and taka

        5-The new generation…
        WTF…really? This was bad, the manga was about naruto, I wanted to see Naruto’s resolution not some guy named Burrito.
        If kishi wanted the next generation he couldve tease us with an omake and revelead a part 3 short after the end of the series.

        Just the fact that I easily deflected all of your arguments shows how troubling this ending was…

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          “This was referenced in the Gutsy of Ninja novel where Tsuyu (Sakura’s expy) gets togheter with Naruto ( Naruto’s expy ) at the end”

          Oh, yeah, and we all know that novel was NOT written by Kishimoto but Akira Higashiyama! XD XD XD What was you talking about earlier? XD XD XD

          “There is a scene where sToneri sees Hinata’s mind…he only sees Naruto. that pretty much shoulf tell everything to you
          Hinata herself acknowledged the fact she was acting like a horrible sister chosing to knit a scarf while her sister was in trouble LOL”

          Sure, Hinata just:
          – Broke Naruto’s heart in order to gain Toneri’s trust to get into his lair to find Hanabi.
          – Had to do what Toneri “wished” or else Toneri could easily killing Hanabi if Hinata refusing any of his wish.
          – Hinata was sitting next to Hanabi and holding her hand while promising she will stop Toneri and the Tenseigan.

          But nooooo, ONE RANDOM MEMORY PICTURE is what matters, not the facts, just one picture. Yes, Hinata was such a bad sister…. Itachi was much better, he just f*cked up Sasuke mentally and turned him to a psycho while ignoring Sasuke till Hiruzen’s death ONLY to neglecting Sasuke again and putting more hatred into his brother, turning him to a criminal…. yes. ;P

          “Chap 4? oh you mean at the beginning, if you read later part 1 chapters and early part 2 chapters you would see that sakura’s goal was to protect Naruto and Sasuke, and catch up to them. ”

          XD XD XD XD Suuuuuree, because the desire to protect people who are important IS A JOB?!? Sure, so bad that it has nothing to do with becoming a doctor, or a lawyer. XD XD XD

          “It’s normal for new elements to be introduced for the second part of the series like Danzo was evne though there was no foreshadowing in part 1, things like this are only minor mistakes”

          Oh, yes, because the Uchiha Clan massacare was such a minor an unimportant event that it didn’t need any foreshadowing, and Danzo, who was behind every shit like Tobi was also unimportant….. sure….

          “-Did we got to see Naruto biggest moment of victory? He basically got handed the place form Kakashi and we didnt even got to see how it happened”

          So we didn’t see Kinnikuman becoming the king of planet kinnikuman. ;P

          “Sasuke didnt wanted to revive his clan with Uchiha babies, he wanted to purify his clan image by destroying knonha and later the ninja system, he said this in chapter 483 or 484…
          and we didn’t got to see if the image his clan had changed…
          Besides its bad if the uchiha clan revives itself, its a clan with a curse if you didnt pay attention, most of them are sick in the head. In fact it would be better for salad if she never awakened the sharingan”

          Sure, so bad that as you said this “‘I’ll destroy Konoha” happened while he was under the influence of Obito. ;P

          And yes, the “saint” Danzo and “saint” Senju clans were so gallant that…..

          1.Danzo ruined Konoha’s image in front of other nations and not only broke out wars but even sabotated peace truces + he allowed Pain to destroy Konoha just to become Konoha and the Raikage also suggested that Danzo hired Orochimaru to kill Hiruzen for exchange “an Uchiha”. ;P

          2.Senju Butsuma and Senju Tobirama, where the later created Edo Tensei which technicaly killed Hiruzen + 40000-60000 innocents.

          So yeah, comparing to Danzo, Hanzo, Tobirama and other non-uchiha people the Uchihas were technicaly just cursed, so bad that while there was only 1 Uchiha who was a maddog enough to not even convice him there was at least 4-5 Uchihas who were good and some of them even sacrificed the clan for Konoha. A Senju never would do that.

          Should I even mention that even the Uchiha’s rebellious idea came from the conflict that Obito broke out between the village and them and not because of themselves? The Uchihas (and the village) were Obito’s victims.

          “It wasnt enough really since the chapter was focused more in the offspring ( thats was I say 700 would be better as an omake) , and yet still lacked characters like orochimaru and taka”

          Um, Taka? Ah, you mean the 3 losers who were originaly only be a temporary gang for Sasuke to hunt down Itachi but later Kishimoto couldn’t do with them anything? Sorry, but as I saw the popularity polls nobody truly missed them. ;)

          About Orochimaru, he was already closed in chapter 635 where he told to Tsunade he will retire being evil.

          Oh, and for Kabuto, he said he will going back to the orphanage where he grew up when he was saving Sasuke’s life, so he was closed too. ;P

          “WTF…really? This was bad, the manga was about naruto, I wanted to see Naruto’s resolution not some guy named Burrito.
          If kishi wanted the next generation he couldve tease us with an omake and revelead a part 3 short after the end of the series.

          Just the fact that I easily deflected all of your arguments shows how troubling this ending was…”

          Sure, and Toriyama should not putting new characters like Pan and Vegeta’s + Bulma’s daughter and Uub into the ending but…. wait…. oh, yeah, he did. XD

          Naruto’s resolution already was given in chapter 671 where he answered to Rikudo’s question. Or did you believed that an idiot like Naruto will be the perfect diplomatic politican? LOL. XD

          Also, tons of NaruSaku fans demanded to see Naruto’s children, so Kishimoto did what YOU wanted. So bad that he didn’t know you meant NaruSaku babies. XD

          Just the fact that how easily I crushed your weak and bias “opinions” shows how much you are a salty NaruSaku fan who was protecting the manga till chapter 699 and chapter 700 and even protected the movie until Chatte made you believe that it will be a NaruSaku movie only to turn againts it. Amazing how shipping can turn people into mad dogs. XD

          Now go to your beloved japanese Yahooo site and writte your “critics” there with google translator. XD

          Guy (3 years ago)

          – If you didnt kow the gutsy ninja is a novel that actually made by Jiraya in the manga, Akira with the help of Kishi, made it come to real life

          –Hinata’s character always has been centered in Naruto- FACT
          She herself admitted she was acting like a pretty basd sister in the movie, I don1t even need to defend against your argument. And yes, going with toneri for hanabi’s sake even though was noble, was a pretty dumb act, in the end it led her to be mind controlled by Toneri

          –So what? we are talking abou her dream and goal or her job? Becoming Sasuke’s lover is a job now?

          –The minor mistake I was talking about was the lack of foreshadowing for Danzou. His appereance in part 2 gave a new dynamic to the otherwise “good” leaf village. I don’t know how the lack of danzou foreshdowing affected the uchiha destructuin, at the tiume everybody still thought Itachi had done it for power

          –Too bad for Kinkuuman then, we are talking about naruto here though, as a good fan didnt you want to see him in his greatest moment, reflecting on his life with his friends and dear persons by his side?

          —There are bad people in the Naruto world, Tobirama made a FAIL with the Edo tensei and Danzou was a twisted fuck. But the Uchiha clan are actually mantally ill, the sharingan is cursed. It leds to hatred and more hatred, just read the part where the kages explain this to Sasuke.
          Even though I don’t like Salad I wouldn’t want her to be afflicted by this curse, I don’t think Sasuke would want it either. Let the girl live a normal life
          The only Uchihas not clearly affected by the curse were Kagami, Itachi and Shisui. Everyone else was affected to a degree, if you don’t know the Uchiha clan was planning a coup in the leaf village because of Konoha suspicion about them rearding Kyuubi’s attack, revenge and instability is in their blood, its also never revealed if they had anything to do with Obito’s plan during the kyuubi atack because they didnt fought in the battle .

          – Talking like that about Taka huh? Now are you going to be okay with popularity taking control of the stories? Please, they are characters, they deserved closure too. Don’t be a fanboy, I’m trying to keep a level headed debate here ;)
          Orochimaru said he was interested in watching Sasuke’s wind…so then should I take this with the fact that he’s gonna stalk Sasuke forever?
          A panel about how kabuto is doing at the orphanage would be good too, he was one of the key characters of the story back then

          -Don’t use DBZ as an example, it was organic over there, new kid characters were introduced over the arcs like Gohan, Trunks and Goten, they made you care for them. Pan in the last chapter didn’t compromise with how things were handled, we saw a equal time of everyone and things didn’t really look rushed. In short DBZ finished with the same light atmosphere it began …unlike Naruto who tried to be serious, failed, and made the last chapter a victim of the trope “generation xerox”

          Harry Potter fans didn’t like their ending for the same matter. ”

          Nobody cares about the new generation, we wanted to see the resolution from the characters we accompanied!” — a HP fan

          Naruto’s resolution was that? Wow weak Kishimoto weak…so I guess we will never learn how he stopped the cycle of hatred and what his so called “answer” was. Naruto’s development as a Messiah character was flawed and boring, I would’ve liked if Kishimoto took another approach regarding his development.

          Your lasts paragraphs are full of ad hominens…Sad I though you were a decent debater, turns out you are just another one of these fans with shipping glasses on their faces.

          And the commentaries on YahooJp aren’t lies, they are genuine LOL, if you pass GT on them they will give you gibberish, unless you are stupi enough to say the NS fandom as a whole has knowledge of japanese :D

Anime Lord (3 years ago)

Looks like the final Naruto volume 72 selling well.

http://universerulers777.tumblr.com/post/110755398214/naruto-volume-72-sellings-almost-1-million-already

It’s still just the first week, yet it has already sold as almost 1 million copies.

Looks like people in japan truly hates Naruto ending.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Yeah, for a manga that was once Top 3 is now selling barely a million. Not even a million. More like 874,120. And this is on the 2-8 February week.
    Ever since then, apparently the sales have been quite dropping, instead of increasing, compared to for example OP who sold in its first week 1,441,768 copies or AOT who sold 1,010,545 copies in their first week also, and keeps doing it while Naruto is still stagnant at the same amount.

    Oh, and as I was saying, from once being in the top 3 manga sales, to being no. 6: http://matome.naver.jp/odai/2141741705747669201.

    Yeah, indeed, it’s sold “very well” that it cannot even make a billion in their first week.

    Also wanna talk how One Piece and AOT both released only 3 volumes compared to Naruto’s 6 volumes in 2014, and they both outsold Naruto in total sales by a large margin in 2014? Apparently HQ and KnB outsold Naruto too. Now that’s 3 titles from WSJ already that are ahead of Naruto.

    So now, you see… that’s actually how the reality of Naruto in Japan is doing.

      Rex Julius (3 years ago)

      LOL, sure, because:

      1.Since 2008 Naruto’s sellings are dropping. ;P

      2.Selling almost 1 million on IT’S FIRST WEEK is truly nothing, sure!

      3.One Piece WAS ALWAYS MORE FAMOUS THAN Naruto, further, One Piece is the most loved franchise in japan, and Attack On Titan was also more famous than Naruto. Comparing to them is like comparing a baby to an adult.

      4.The final volume has nothing to do with the previous volumes as what you tried to prove that nobody loved in the ending in japan except NaruHina fans, yet, it is now already sold more than your beloved CPR chapter containing Volume just on one week. ;)

      So yeah, good thing that you try to comparing Naruto Volume 72 to the 2 best japanese manga franchise, so bad what we was talking about was the welcome of the ending and as you can see it was welcomed well nicely.

      But be denial, because as I see the more you try to defy the succes and positive welcome of Naruto ending the more you sank into your hatred againts Kishimoto, Studio Pierrot, Weekly Shonen Jump, every non-NaruSaku fans, normal Naruto fans who were never shipping, TOHO ect.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        Naruto has been failing so much recently, since 2010 actually its sales hads been dropping because of the horrible quality of the later arcs

        The fact that the ending wasnt able to bring Naruto back to it’s original level of popularity shows a lot of things about how it was handled
        Meanwhile both AoT and One Piece with normal run of the mill volumes both got mnore than 1 million in their first week while Naruto…the last volume, with art book included, added pages and all that shit,,,not even managed to get 1 million in a week

        Truly this series has fallen so much, the horrible atrocious ending is just the cherry on the cake of the shitty overrated series named Naruto

          Anime Lord (3 years ago)

          Sorry pal, but what Rex said was true, the downhill in the sellings already started far back since 2008-2009.

          “Meanwhile both AoT and One Piece with normal run of the mill volumes both got mnore than 1 million in their first week while Naruto…the last volume, with art book included, added pages and all that shit,,,not even managed to get 1 million in a week”

          Yes, but Attack On Titan and One Piece were always far more popular than Naruto ever was. With that you can comparing Bleach to them too!

          Also, have I remind you that all Part 2 Volumes started on 300000-400000 copies on their first week? The latest Naruto wolumes could barely sell 1 million copies throught 15-20 weeks! Volume 72 almost did the same with minus 130000 copies already on it’s first week, so I hope you have an idea how much will it gross in the next weeks.

          “Truly this series has fallen so much, the horrible atrocious ending is just the cherry on the cake of the shitty overrated series named Naruto”

          Interesting. So until it was “NaruSaku” it wasn’t overrated, right?

          About “horrible atrocious ending”:

          1.DBZ, Kinnikuman, Hokuto No Ken, Kenichi, Rave Master and tons of other even more famous serieses ended even worse (specialy DBZ).

          2.The purpose of ending is NOT giving answers to plot holes, unanswered questions and other plot-related things, the purpose of ending is to serve and an epilouge and closure to the story. So if you wanted answers, you should wanted it far before the final fight between Naruto and Sasuke and not from two 15-16 pages long chapters.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Anime Lord,

          -what happened at 2008-2009? Pein arc, I remember quite clearly. Part 2 began in 2005

          -Are you crazy? Naruto was a titan back thentogether with One Piece. AoT only took Naruto out in 2013 with the launching of the anime, so no AoT was not always more popular than Naruto

          – I don’t know how part 2 started, don’t even know if your numbers are true actually but I know that part 1 was good and that early part 2 was regarded as the same quality as One Piece at the time.
          I know this last volume is going to reach 1 million, its the last volume of a famous series, Naruto became a bad manga but it still popular like Twilight, 50 shades of grey,bad books but are still popular among certain fans
          I’m just very surprised that the sales didnt reach 1 million in a week, I guess the horrible quality of the ending and the latest arcs affected more than I imagined.

          -I didnt understand your phrase,
          “Interesting. So until it was “NaruSaku” it wasn’t overrated, right?”
          What did you mean? I’m a story/ plot fan first, and there is a cleraly falldown in the plot after Pein arc

          -Now you said:

          “1.DBZ, Kinnikuman, Hokuto No Ken, Kenichi, Rave Master and tons of other even more famous serieses ended even worse (specialy DBZ).

          2.The purpose of ending is NOT giving answers to plot holes, unanswered questions and other plot-related things, the purpose of ending is to serve and an epilouge and closure to the story. So if you wanted answers, you should wanted it far before the final fight between Naruto and Sasuke and not from two 15-16 pages long chapters.”

          1- can’t say about these series, but I can talk about Dragon Ball, unlike Naruto, Dragon ball kept its quality stable, even if there are better arcs than others every arc was able to give good fights and goos plot twists, futhermore dragon ball never took itself seriously, it was and remained always about Goku adventures and fights against villains and such. Naruto on the other hand took itself seriously and introduced a series of themes that in the end kishimoto couldn’t handle it,: hatred, peace, wars, forgiveness, etc. This led to one of the biggest plot holes in the ending…”Is there peace? How the hell did Naruto managed to end the cycle of hatred?” I mean… there is peace now…and the explanation I had was that it happened thanks to Obito who united everyone against and if there is peace why do ninjas still exist? What they do now?

          2- I’m sorry but you don’t know what an ending is. An ending normally should finish and close everything in the story, and like you said it should give a sense of closure. Naruto ending falied to do that.
          Look at how every Harry Potter books ends, every book ends conclusively, finishing and wrapping it up the story for a book and maybe leaving threads open so they can connect it into another book, this is a normal type of ending, a conclusive one.
          Now there exists the things you could call open ending, they’re what you call vague endings because they have the intention to not answer anyhting and leave threads open for maybe a eventual sequel or for the readers imagination
          A example of an open ending are the series: Tokyo Ghoul and Evangelion
          Naruto’s ending however does not try to be an open ending it tries to be a conclusive ending and it fails horribly at it
          If Kishi wanted to make a true conclusive ending and fix a little of the mess the war arc started he should at least have a couple more chapters and not finish the story at 700.

          Sorry for the class I gave you right now, I’m very interested in how literature works.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        An ending that wasnt able to bring its series back to its original place was received nicely @Rex Julius? Explain this twisted logic to me my friend…

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          “An ending that wasnt able to bring its series back to its original place was received nicely @Rex Julius? Explain this twisted logic to me my friend…”

          LOL, can’t accept defeat, right? ;P

          All previous Naruto volumes started with 300000-400000-500000 copies on their first week. Volume 72 started on 870000.

          And it’s good thing that you comparing Naruto to the best franchises like One Piece, so bad that Naruto never beated One Piece ever, so comparing to it in the first places already very stupid.

          So yeah, Naruto Volume 72 recived more well and sold much more on it’s first week than the previous 40-45 volumes on their first week.

          So live with that, Naruto Volume 72 is the most well recived Naruto Volume since the start of Part 2 and it’s still only on it’s first week, so you can guess how much will it grossing. ;P

          Truth hurt you right? ;P

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Truthfully? No
          Its the last volume, a sudden influx of sales was to be expected, SJ really invested in this with all the Naruto x Sasuke propaganda together with the ilustration book m added images also there is the fact that people would buy just for the sake of finishing the collection and etc
          Actually I’m surprised it didn’t made a million in a week. The ending may have affected more people than I thought.

      Light (3 years ago)

      Stupidity at its finest.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        That’s my impression when people keep trying to sell the image that NAruto managed to get back his credibility from back then and that there is no hate for the ending/the last in Japan

          Guy (3 years ago)

          That’s my impression when people keep trying to sell the image that Naruto managed to get back his credibility from back then and that there is no hate for the ending/the last in Japan

          avie (3 years ago)

          no hate? nobody claims there is no hate for naruto the last in japan. there will ALWAYS be haters or people who don’t like something. However, whats disturbing and frankly, irritating is that NS always make it seem like its hated by MAJORITY which is definitely false. the movie is doing very well and this is supported by a lot of numbers and figures. it is not tanking or anything that extreme. its just that sometimes, the way most of the NS puts it is that MAJORITY of the people hate it and that MAJORITY were tricked into buying the tickets. its hard to believe, that many people are dumb. dont bother telling me ’bout the no refund claims – seen, heard and debunked that already. dont bother with the false advertisement also, this was clearly a NH romance centric from the early adverts – AND if people were indeed tricked as many of you claim, then why does the trend of the movie sale prove it otherwise? fact is , there are haters but the movie is well received.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Well, the majority is made out of anyone else who isn’t NH/SS and anyone else who isn’t NH/SS disliked, hated – whatever you wanna call it- the movie and for good reasons. The math is simple.
          And movie sales don’t dictate how good the quality or the content of a movie is as neither 50 Shades of Grey’s sales reflect how “good” the movie is. On the contrary…
          But to each their own, I guess…

        Guy (3 years ago)

        That’s my impression when people keep trying to sell the image that Naruto managed to get back his credibility from back then and that there is no hate for the ending/the last in Japan

Guy (3 years ago)

*and added images

    Guy (3 years ago)

    Besides @Rex Julius I don’t know if you remember but there was a time when Naruto actually could stand a chance against One Piece, I don’t know if you are too young to remember but One Piece was never considered to be SO much better than Naruto, they were almost equals. Until kishimoto bagan fucking up his own series that is. Now saying Naruto has the same level of quality as One Piece is a joke

      Rex Julius (3 years ago)

      Oh yeah, it may had chance in Part 1, but since Kakashi Gaiden it just became worse and worse. ;P

      And even when it “may had chance againts one piece”, it was still far away to be better than One Piece. ;P

        Guy (3 years ago)

        Naruto and One Piece were jump biggest guns at that time. Lots of comparations at that time and wars between fanboys were an all time high
        Part 2 kept Part 1 momentum in my opinion, or at least the quality wasn’t decreasing

        As you said before the sales began decreasing after 2008/2009–Pein arc
        The end of Pein arc marks the beginning of the downfall of quality in Naruto
        I say this because the whole child of destiny thing was beginning to be introduced, things like that began to go against the original Naruto storyline

Rex Julius (3 years ago)

To “Guy”, because I can’t reply to him normaly:

“– If you didnt kow the gutsy ninja is a novel that actually made by Jiraya in the manga, Akira with the help of Kishi, made it come to real life”

LOL, all that was shown in the manga was 1 battle scene and that was all, all crap was created by Akira while Kishimoto only made some illustration like the f*cked up Sasuke Gaiden novel. ;P

“–Hinata’s character always has been centered in Naruto- FACT
She herself admitted she was acting like a pretty basd sister in the movie, I don1t even need to defend against your argument. ”

Sure, because if a character feel guilty for something now it’s equal to his/her character like? With that Sakura is truly a useless girl as she confessed several times – even in chapter 693. XD

“–The minor mistake I was talking about was the lack of foreshadowing for Danzou. His appereance in part 2 gave a new dynamic to the otherwise “good” leaf village.”

So bad that nobody except the Konoha ninjas themselves said anything like that about Konoha. Infact, tons of characters noted even in Part 1 that Konoha is not a pure village, even Hiruzen speeches were kinda twisted. ;P

“–Too bad for Kinkuuman then, we are talking about naruto here though, as a good fan didnt you want to see him in his greatest moment, reflecting on his life with his friends and dear persons by his side?”

Just to make you remember Kinnikuman is the progenitor of all long running shonen fight mangas, including DBZ and others too (Kinnikuman came in 1979, Dragon Ball came in somewhere 1985) and everything that the later shonen fight mangas had léike Power Levels, Special Techniques, Pasts To The Evil Characters, Evil Counterparts all came from Kinnikuman.

And Kinnikuman is technicaly a carbon copy of Kinnikuman (Two Legendary Brothers Battle For Generations Because Of A Quarrel, Two Evil Duo Tries To Create A Perfect World ect), even the protagonists are the same (both of them children of legendary people, both of them are outcasted by people then gained their love, both of them lost their beloved master, both of them became the successors of their parents, both of them conviced mass-murdering psychos into his friends, both of them are eating japanese junk food, both of them are extremely stupid, hell, even their love life is the same!)
.
“– Talking like that about Taka huh? Now are you going to be okay with popularity taking control of the stories? Please, they are characters, they deserved closure too. Don’t be a fanboy, I’m trying to keep a level headed debate here ;)”

Sorry, but if you ever looked at the real world, EVERYTHING is crontrolled by it.

What do you think, why did Toriyama stretched the manga despite he wanted to end it with Frieza’s death? POPULARITY!

Why didn’t Toriyama made Gohan the new protagonist as he wanted? POPULARITY!

Oh, and Tienshin + C-16 + C-17 + namekiens were also vital persosn in Dragon Ball, yet their fate wasn’t showned nor hinted in the final two chapters of DBZ.

” I guess we will never learn how he stopped the cycle of hatred and what his so called “answer” was. Naruto’s development as a Messiah character was flawed and boring, I would’ve liked if Kishimoto took another approach regarding his development.”

First, he gave his answers to Rikudo in chapter 671 and gave another answer to Sasuke in chapter 698.

Also, even Kakashi said to Obito that Naruto WON’T be able to redeem the entire world neither in chapter 655.

Or do you truly believed that 1 person can change the world without cheap methods? LOL.

Even when Goku brought peace to a world where there are NO nations, lesser evildoers were still living.

“And the commentaries on YahooJp aren’t lies, they are genuine”

XD XD XD XD Suuuuure, that’s why:

1.Most of them are written google translator and appeared even before the movie came out with tons of grammar errors. XD

2.All the negative “comments” were only ranting about NaruHina while ignoring all the objective part of the movie – or even the entire movie itself. ;P

3.Tons of them deleted their accounts before anybody could check their “past”, since they knew if they wouldn’t people would realise that he/she only registered there to bashing the movie because of NaruHina.

4.Two of them started their first line as “I know this will be deleted” and how surprising it has been deleted, so those two must be mystics to see the future (or simply stupid enough to believe nobody will have suspicious that just right when they wrotte “that line” tomorrow suddenly will truly be deleted).

Yet, the movie still selling, and unlike the misbelief, RTN did not got 1.48 billion yen in two months, but it had at the end of 2012! So yeah, so much about it. ;P

    Guy (3 years ago)

    - Nope you are wrong, Kishimoto recognized. What Akira wrote is what Jiraya wrote. It was marketed like that.

    -Yeah unfortunately Sakura was useless regarding Naruto and Sasuke even if at the end of part 1 she said things would go differently. Shame
    Its the same with she was acting like a bad sister in the movie, so much that she herself recognized it and felt the need to go to Toneri, to help Hanabi more actively, a noble but dumb act.

    -Thats your opinion, Konoha was relatively regarded as ” the good guys” in part 1 in comparision to guys like Zabuza and Orochimaru. Danzo permitted a change in this dynamic. I though he was badly used by kishimoto during part 2 though, he had lots of potential as a antagonist

    -Good to know these informations about Kinikuuman, but you didnt really answered my question
    And really, everybody knows Naruto is an amalgamation of a lot of shonen series. the chuunin exam and the chakra paper came from HxH for example.

    -Its a bad thing you know, being ruled by popularity. Oda doesnt does this as far as I know, that man deserves respect.
    Akira had luck DBZ was such a light hearted series even with all the fights and deaths, so the things that happened due to popularity weren’t that much damaging. Even the weakest arc, Majin Buu arc, managed to be generally okay.
    And you were wrong on some things…As far as I know DBZ was supposed to end at the end of the cell arc.
    About DBZ ending, the namekians had their closure didn’t they? They went to new namek. C-17 is Android 17? He is just roaming around the world like Sasuke is right now isn’t he?. And as far as I know Android 16 is dead.
    DBZ ending wasnt the best one but at least was consistent with the light hearted feel of the series

    – Why did he promised Nagato he would change the world and break the curse of hatred? And as I said if that talk with the Rikudou was his resolution then I’m deeply disappointed with it. With sasuke in 698 he just stated he could never let Sasuke go because he was his friend and his heart hurt, more of the same really.

    you said:
    “Or do you truly believed that 1 person can change the world without cheap methods? LOL”

    Obito united the whole world against him and ended up bringing peace didn’t he? :D
    I wanted to see at least what was going to be Naruto’s plan for the stability of such alliance and peace. As I said before Naruto brought serious themes to its history and never bothered to address them in the end.

    -About Yahoo jp

    1.No, they aren’t go check.
    Unless you want to say that the entire NS fandom is fluent in japanese your statement makes 0 sense

    2.The negative comments adressed the movie as a whole and got a lot of kudos, the positive comments were small and said things like “Best Naruto movie ever!Everybody should watch”
    Go see it

    3.Its the first time I’m hearing about this. Looks false. Proofs please?

    4.YahooJP or its management for a time was misteryously deleting one star comments. Nobody knows why this happens, its not the fans doing this. Why would a fan delete his comment anyway?

    I can give you a link to a great post about the situation in yahoo jp if you want

    “Yet, the movie still selling, and unlike the misbelief, RTN did not got 1.48 billion yen in two months, but it had at the end of 2012! So yeah, so much about it. ;P”

    – It did not look like it managed to score the projected 2 billion, the hype did not live up to it.
    Its not selling so much right now in japan, its being taken to smaller theatres right now as a matter of fact.their only chance right now is America and its huge mass of NH/SS shippers
    For a movie that had 500 million yen in its opening weekend the last had a pretty underwhelming run. in japan, while movies like Parasyte are on its 12th week and still making lots of success
    We also have to consider that SP might have not paid have made that much of a profit until now.

    MATH TIME!
    Considering the cost of production was near $12k dollars ( not a completely trustworthy source), the last would have to gain 3x this value to make a good revenue. However converting yen to dollar with the last value given to “the Last” (1.92 billion) we have the last making $16k dollars, not exactly 3x the cost of production

      Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

      “-Thats your opinion, Konoha was relatively regarded as ” the good guys” in part 1 in comparision to guys like Zabuza and Orochimaru. Danzo permitted a change in this dynamic. I though he was badly used by kishimoto during part 2 though, he had lots of potential as a antagonist”

      And that’s why the manga failed even before Part 2 and killed by Part 2 as it was about nobody neither full white or full black but with the introduction of Danzo Kishimoto painted Konoha full pink and tossed all craps in Danzo’s shoulders.

      Unlike Gotei 13 who not only knew about their sins but each of it’s members had their own belief. Unlike Konoha, where only 1 man did all craps and the others were full white.

      “-Good to know these informations about Kinikuuman, but you didnt really answered my question
      And really, everybody knows Naruto is an amalgamation of a lot of shonen series. the chuunin exam and the chakra paper came from HxH for example. ”

      The chunin exam was a rip-off of Kinnikuman’s Chojin Olympics where the fighters had to do a tons of non-fightning challenges then in the end they had to fight in a tournament.

      The chakra paper came from HxH sure, but this is just prove my point that Naruto was never original.

      “-Its a bad thing you know, being ruled by popularity. Oda doesnt does this as far as I know, that man deserves respect.
      Akira had luck DBZ was such a light hearted series even with all the fights and deaths, so the things that happened due to popularity weren’t that much damaging. Even the weakest arc, Majin Buu arc, managed to be generally okay.
      And you were wrong on some things…As far as I know DBZ was supposed to end at the end of the cell arc.”

      Sure bad, but this is true to everything.

      Akira didn’t had luck, he had awasome commericals and advertisings.

      And no, Frieza was supposed to be the final antagonist of DBZ and had to be ended there. Just look up for the wikias. ;)

      “About DBZ ending, the namekians had their closure didn’t they? They went to new namek. C-17 is Android 17? He is just roaming around the world like Sasuke is right now isn’t he?. And as far as I know Android 16 is dead.”

      Nope, they reappared in the last arc then they weren’t shown what happened to them after being visited.

      C-16 was also a victim of Cell, so like C-17 he was revived.

      Yet neithert C-17, C-16, Tienshin nor other important support or ex-villains appeared and Toriyama HAD to tell their fate after 20-25 years later!

      So yeah, the fate of tons of DBZ characters are also remained unknown.

      Orochimaru told he will retire while Kabuto told he will go back to the orphanage and we both know how much escape masters they are. So if you can neglect C-17 and others from DBZ missing you can accept them too.

      “Why did he promised Nagato he would change the world and break the curse of hatred? And as I said if that talk with the Rikudou was his resolution then I’m deeply disappointed with it. ”

      Yup, it was his solution which was directly stole from Kurosaki Ichigo.

      “Obito united the whole world against him and ended up bringing peace didn’t he?”

      Sure, it’s nice that the nations themselves will hunting a bully boy, but the normal lesser people will still killing themselves for stupid reasons.

      “1.No, they aren’t go check.
      Unless you want to say that the entire NS fandom is fluent in japanese”

      I read it and not just me, but tons of people, even NaruSaku fans who know japanese told me that this is the fact.

      And I said “most” not “all”. Different.

      “The negative comments adressed the movie as a whole and got a lot of kudos, the positive comments were small and said things like “Best Naruto movie ever!Everybody should watch””

      Nope, they were mostly about “why didn’t NaruSaku happened”, “why NaruHina had to happen” and other stuff and mentioned NOTHING like the visuality, the jokes, the actions and other stuff.

      You know, writting down 100x times in one comment “Naruto should marry Sakura not cow Hinata” won’t make a comment clever and since the NS fans wanted to rating down the movie of course they spammed the kudos to support themselves.

      So bad that it couldn’t affect the box office, which after a certain amount equal to quality.

      “3.Its the first time I’m hearing about this. Looks false. Proofs please?”

      Sure, but I need to rec it with camstudio, so if you send me an email adress then I’ll send it to you in an email. ;)

      “4.YahooJP or its management for a time was misteryously deleting one star comments. Nobody knows why this happens, its not the fans doing this. Why would a fan delete his comment anyway? ”

      Why? Maybe to FRAME Yahoo and SP and gain sympathy?

      Think about it: what are the chances that someone writtes “I know this will be deleted” and voala, 20-22 hours later it is deleted?

      Either the one who wrotte must had psychic skills or have a miracle. ;P

      “I can give you a link to a great post about the situation in yahoo jp if you want ”

      Sorry, but “that” crap on tumble became already invalid since the full and true Junko Takeuchi interview has been revealed and unlike the fake version which also only translated a bias part of it revealed that Junko actually loved the movie.

      And that crap also said that Junko said she don’t want to become Boruto’s voice actor because she hates the ending while she didn’t said anything like that nor even mentioning why.

      “MATH TIME!
      Considering the cost of production was near $12k dollars ( not a completely trustworthy source), the last would have to gain 3x this value to make a good revenue. However converting yen to dollar with the last value given to “the Last” (1.92 billion) we have the last making $16k dollars, not exactly 3x the cost of production”

      LOL, sorry, but THERE ARE NO BUDGET NOR MARKETING BUDGET FOR ANY OF NARUTO MOVIES!

      So your entire “math” failed at the moment when you said you don’t have sources and no, the speculation of NS fans are failed from the beginning where they started calculating in dollars and not in yens.

      You know, in japane, the production costs are faaaar lower than western ones and the marketing of The Last was even less then Road To Ninja which had more trailers, more tv spots, more interviews and other stuff.

      So no, the The Last was not 12k dollars, what you say is the “speculation” of a depressed NS fan who wishes to deny reality.

      I asked someone who sad the same where did that person got this utterly stupid number if none of the Naruto movie budgets were ever given and he/she already called me a NH fans…. you know, I want to get his/her source but I am already an NH fan…. LOL.

      Also, there are other speculations about Naruto movie production costs and unlike yours they are in yen and seeing the anime intrusdy and the fact that japanese animation are much lower than western they are even more believeable.

      Since I only trust in REAL sources I am not taking this as fully true neither, but still more believeable than those NS speculations who are after being told the fact that none Naruto movie budget were ever given they are start ranting:

      ご挨拶!

      私はすべてのナルト映画の予算や広告費について尋ね株式会社ぴえろらの友人を持っているし、彼は私にこれらの情報を与えた。

      ここでは予算やナルト映画の宣伝費がある。

      劇場版NARUTO – ナルト – 大活劇!雪姫忍法帖だってばよ!!

      予算= 357,218,321円

      広告費= 280,372,942円

      劇場版NARUTO – ナルト! – 大激突幻の地底遺跡だってばよ

      予算= 391,447,084円

      広告費= 249,31,2053円

      劇場版NARUTO – ナルト! – 大興奮みかづき島のアニマル騒動だってばよ

      予算= 358,212,547円

      広告費= 307,324,323円

      劇場版NARUTO – ナルト – 疾風伝

      予算= 313,218,448円

      広告費= 396,228,741円

      劇場版NARUTO – ナルト – 疾風伝絆

      予算= 318,485,412円

      広告費= 400,742,815円

      劇場版NARUTO – ナルト – 疾風伝火の意志を継ぐ者

      予算= 350,170,480円

      広告費= 298,447,111円

      劇場版NARUTO – ナルト – 疾風伝ザ•ロストタワー

      予算= 411,830,000円

      広告費= 338,470,444円

      劇場版NARUTO – ナルト – ブラッド•プリズン

      予算= 370,497,087円

      広告費= 398,338,000円

      ロード•トゥ•ニンジャ – ナルト•ザ•ムービー –

      予算= 384,338,894円

      広告費= 495,444,894円

      ザ•ラスト – ナルト•ザ•ムービー –

      予算= 438,328,940円

      広告費= 459,009,437円

      Have a nice day!

      Oh, two things, first, the The Last reached 1.94 billion yen not 1.92 billion and second, this is from crunchyroll:

      Naruto Manga Author Receives the New Face Award of Minister of Education Award for Fine Arts

      Japanese Agency for Cultural Affairs announced the recipients of the Minister of Education Award for Fine Arts for the year 2014 yesterday, March 12. It honors people who left excellent achievements in 11 categories of art every year.

      40-year-old Masashi Kishimoto received the New Face Award in the media art category for his internationally popular manga series Naruto. The manga was serialized in Shueisha’s Weekly Shonen Jump from 1999 to 2014, and the last 72th tankobon volume was published in February 2015. As of February 2013, it had 131,28 million copies in print in Japan.

      Last year, voice actress/singer Nana Mizuki, who played the heroine Hinata Hyuga in the Naruto anime series, also received the New Face Award in the public entertainment category.

      The presentation ceremony will be held at Toshi Center Hotel in Tokyo at 16:00 on March 18.

      Congratulations, Kishimoto-sensei!

        juliet (3 years ago)

        goodluck, sources and NS dont mix well. thats why their fandom is a mess, all their information are either theories, mistranslated articles or straight up fabricated bullshits. and those few rare snippets of true sources that they have are either tweaked to make it look like anything naruto now is crap or tweaked to make NS look like the better ship.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          You want sources Juliet? I can give them tou you

          Naruto the last, having the worst transition of a Naruto movie

          “Source: ch2

          今年のNARUTOの映画 初動5.2億/公開から40日経った現在 18.5億(3.6倍推移)

          This year’s Naruto movie, initial revenue was at JPY 520 million, after 40 days of screening only made JPY 1.85 billion (3.6 times transition)

          2014年の初動5億の映画

          2014 movies with initial revenue of JPY 500 million

          1)

          永遠の0(2013年末公開) 初動5.4億 / 最終85億 (15.7倍推移)

          Eien no Zero: initial JPY 540 million / final JPY 8.5 billion (15.7 times transition)

          2)
          GODZILLA ゴジラ 初動5.1億 / 最終31.4億 (6.2倍推移)

          GODZILLA: initial JPY 510 million / final JPY 3.14 billion (6.2 times transition)

          3)
          テルマエ・ロマエⅡ 初動4.9億 / 最終43.1億 (8.8倍推移)

          Thermae Romae II: initial JPY 490 million / final JPY 4.31 billion (8.8 times transition)

          4)
          トランスフォーマー・ロストエイジ 初動4.8億 / 最終29.4億 (6.1倍推移)

          Transformers – Age of Extinction: initial JPY 480 million / final JPY 2.94 billion (6.1 times transition)

          5)

          評判があんな悪い実写ルパン三世でも初動4.4億 / 最終24億 (5.5倍推移)

          Even that well-known bad live action of Lupin III: initial JPY 440 million / final JPY 2.4 billion (5.5 times transition)

          あと、一応、初動5億のアニメ映画との比較として

          Tentatively, compared with the animated film with initial JPY 500 million revenue
          エヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:破 初動5.1億 / 最終40億 (7.8倍推移)

          EVANGELION:2.0 YOU CAN (NOT) ADVANCE: initial JPY 510 million / final JPY 4 billion (7.8 times transition)

          ———————————————

          Previous Naruto movies:

          04年 「大活劇!雪姫忍法帖だってばよ!!」 初動3.5億 / 最終13.7億 (3.9倍推移)

          Naruto the Movie: Ninja Clash in the Land of Snow: initial JPY 350 million / final JPY 1.37 billion (3.9 times transition)

          05年 「大激突!幻の地底遺跡だってばよ」 初動2.2億 / 最終11.8億 (5.4倍推移)

          Naruto the Movie: Legend of the Stone of Gelel: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.18 billion (5.4 times transition)

          06年 「大興奮!みかづき島のアニマル騒動だってばよ」初動1.2億 / 最終7.8億 (6.5倍推移)

          Naruto the Movie: Guardians of the Crescent Moon Kingdom: initial JPY 120 million / final JPY 780 million (6.5 times transition)

          07年 「疾風伝」初動2.2億 / 最終12.1億 (5.5倍推移)

          Shippuuden: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.21 billion (5.5 times transition)

          08年 「疾風伝 絆」初動2.2億 / 最終11.6億円 (5.3倍推移)

          Shippuuden – Kizuna: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.16 billion (5.3 times transition)

          09年 「疾風伝 火の意志を継ぐ者」初動1.9億 / 最終10.2億 (5.4倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Will of Fire: initial JPY 190 million / final JPY 1.02 billion (5.4 times transition)

          10年 「疾風伝 ザ・ロストタワー」初動1.7億 / 最終10.3億円 (6倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Lost Tower: initial JPY 170 million / final JPY 1.03 billion (6 times transition)

          11年 「ブラッド・プリズン」初動1.3億 / 最終8.4億円 (6.5倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: Blood Prison: initial JPY 130 million / final JPY 840 million (6.5 times transition)

          12年 「ROAD TO NINJA」初動3億 / 最終14.8億 (4.9倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: ROAD TO NINJA: initial JPY 300 million / final JPY 1.48 billion (4.9 times transition)

          14年 「THE LAST」初動5.2億 / 最終 恐らく19億 (3.6~7倍推移)←過去最低推移

          THE LAST: initial JPY 520 million / estimated final JPY 1.9 billion (3.6~7 times transition) <— The worst transition"

          http://meganezaru.tumblr.com/post/109304437789/the-last-bullshits-revenue-lost-its-momentum

        Guy (3 years ago)

        @Mustang Bundy

        I don’t understand you…uoe seem to criticize Naruto a lot, but in the end you congratulate “Kishimoto sensei”
        Besides have you seen the full translation of the interview from four months ago? Where Kishimoto basically admitted most of his ideas came from his editors and such? In fact, I think he only deseves credits for drawing

        Your points:

        “And that’s why the manga failed even before Part 2 and killed by Part 2 as it was about nobody neither full white or full black but with the introduction of Danzo Kishimoto painted Konoha full pink and tossed all craps in Danzo’s shoulders.
        Unlike Gotei 13 who not only knew about their sins but each of it’s members had their own belief. Unlike Konoha, where only 1 man did all craps and the others were full white.”

        –It was not exactly only Danzo, the two elders also had a pragmatic view on things, and really Bleach isn’t a good example, it has it’s own fair share of problems
        And as far as I know part 1 was “fine”, in fact it was the best part of Naruto, there is no problem in painting Konoha in “only white” at least there because being a ninja (being a tool) isn’t exacltly the most white of all things, this was showed in the first arc.
        Danzo inclusion not added “pink” but grey to the whole spectrum, he was a pretty influent person in konoha he even had the elders support and his own dark organization, I believe his potential was badly used

        “The chunin exam was a rip-off of Kinnikuman’s Chojin Olympics where the fighters had to do a tons of non-fightning challenges then in the end they had to fight in a tournament.
        The chakra paper came from HxH sure, but this is just prove my point that Naruto was never original.”

        –I actually felt, and its the impression of a lot of people that the chuunin exam idea came from an specific arc in HxH, but if thats how you see okay then.
        And no Naruto was never that original, the copy-paste concepts were just good executed until a certain point

        “Sure bad, but this is true to everything.
        Akira didn’t had luck, he had awasome commericals and advertisings.
        And no, Frieza was supposed to be the final antagonist of DBZ and had to be ended there. Just look up for the wikias. ;)”

        –I didn’t found anything on Toryiama wanting to end everything a Frieza saga, Its known among the fandom he wanted to end at Cell, with gohan taking the lead, but as I said, WSK would have none of it…

        “Nope, they reappared in the last arc then they weren’t shown what happened to them after being visited.
        C-16 was also a victim of Cell, so like C-17 he was revived.
        Yet neithert C-17, C-16, Tienshin nor other important support or ex-villains appeared and Toriyama HAD to tell their fate after 20-25 years later!
        So yeah, the fate of tons of DBZ characters are also remained unknown.
        Orochimaru told he will retire while Kabuto told he will go back to the orphanage and we both know how much escape masters they are. So if you can neglect C-17 and others from DBZ missing you can accept them too.Orochimaru told he will retire while Kabuto told he will go back to the orphanage and we both know how much escape masters they are. So if you can neglect C-17 and others from DBZ missing you can accept them too.

        –C-16 is a pure robot, he wasn’t brought back he is dead
        C-17 is still travelling the world, same thing with Tien
        “tons of DBZ characters’s fate remained unknow” Sure, the less important ones
        The problem with Orochimaru/Taka, etc is that they were importatn for the story at some point.

        Orochimaru was one of the main villains, their last panel was them getting out of Tsukiyomi I think, it felt badly used and weak, specially when characters were so strong to a storyline during one point. And if I should take their latest objectives in mind, then I guess Orochimaru is still “stalking Sasuke’s wind” since Orochimaru never said he would retire, It is also difficult to believe that characters so tied to Sasuke like Karin and Juugo would leave him alone without proper justification

        “Yup, it was his solution which was directly stole from Kurosaki Ichigo.”

        And?… We are not talking about Bleach here, it has is own fair share of problems like I said, I mean Kubo conveniently pulls stuff out of his ass every now and then.
        What I’m saying is that if htats why his answer to the “cycle of hatred” then it was weak

        “Sure, it’s nice that the nations themselves will hunting a bully boy, but the normal lesser people will still killing themselves for stupid reasons.”

        –Most bigger problems didn’t came from the “lesser people”, the higher up people were the ones that started big wars and such (just look at the whole Amegakure story), the fourth ninja war was the first time everyone was united for a common goal ( defeating Obito), this was essential because it made them able to put differences aside and work side by side…thanks to Obito
        And really even in the newly revealed chapters of Shikamaru hiden we get the fact that the one doing most of the work towards a full alliance is Shikamaru, since Kakashi ( the hokage) only pulls through in crisis time…but wait…Wasn’t NARUTO the one supposed to bring peace? LOL

        “1- I read it and not just me, but tons of people, even NaruSaku fans who know japanese told me that this is the fact.”

        –Proof? It’s is just a empty claim this one,its not one isolated person and unless you are saying most of the NS western fandom is at fault, then you are saying all of them are experts Japanese talker… and if that is the case, why NH and SS keep insisting on blatant errors on the writing?
        You are making no sense here

        2-“Nope, they were mostly about “why didn’t NaruSaku happened”, “why NaruHina had to happen” and other stuff and mentioned NOTHING like the visuality, the jokes, the actions and other stuff.
        You know, writting down 100x times in one comment “Naruto should marry Sakura not cow Hinata” won’t make a comment clever and since the NS fans wanted to rating down the movie of course they spammed the kudos to support themselves.
        So bad that it couldn’t affect the box office, which after a certain amount equal to quality.”

        –LOL This is Grade A butthurt, seriously, you have no proofs man, go to Yahoo JP, the truth is there, most one star comment are detailed revies of the movie my friens, its a fact ;). And now you are saying they spammed the kudos….are you unable to acknowledge something? Seriously, such blatant denail must hurt you somehow. And it affected the box office, it didn’t only reach 2 billion as it was expected, but it was also the WORST transition from all of the Naruto movies.
        You probably never visited Yahoo JP

        3- “Sure, but I need to rec it with camstudio, so if you send me an email adress then I’ll send it to you in an email. ;)”

        –No need, even if people are deleting their accounts for whatever reason it isn’t an indication of what you said before. Nevertheless I don’t really think it’s true, I prefer not to give my e-mail to anyone in the Internet, specially people I don’t know, since I already had problems with this once.

        “4-Why? Maybe to FRAME Yahoo and SP and gain sympathy?
        Think about it: what are the chances that someone writtes “I know this will be deleted” and voala, 20-22 hours later it is deleted?
        Either the one who wrotte must had psychic skills or have a miracle. ;P”

        –Well…maybe because YahooJp deleted ;)? Sometimes simple explanations are the only ones necessary, don’t try to find conspiracy theories in everything I mean why would they even try to frame YahooJp in first place? Such conspiracy theory is delusional
        I don’t know why Yahoo JP was doing this or for what motive. what I know is that they were in fact deleting the comments

        “LOL, sorry, but THERE ARE NO BUDGET NOR MARKETING BUDGET FOR ANY OF NARUTO MOVIES!
        So your entire “math” failed at the moment when you said you don’t have sources and no, the speculation of NS fans are failed from the beginning where they started calculating in dollars and not in yens.
        You know, in japane, the production costs are faaaar lower than western ones and the marketing of The Last was even less then Road To Ninja which had more trailers, more tv spots, more interviews and other stuff.
        So no, the The Last was not 12k dollars, what you say is the “speculation” of a depressed NS fan who wishes to deny reality.
        I asked someone who sad the same where did that person got this utterly stupid number if none of the Naruto movie budgets were ever given and he/she already called me a NH fans…. you know, I want to get his/her source but I am already an NH fan…. LOL.
        Also, there are other speculations about Naruto movie production costs and unlike yours they are in yen and seeing the anime intrusdy and the fact that japanese animation are much lower than western they are even more believeable.
        Since I only trust in REAL sources I am not taking this as fully true neither, but still more believeable than those NS speculations who are after being told the fact that none Naruto movie budget were ever given they are start ranting”

        —I’m sorry but you make no sense whatsoever, let me explain this facts to you
        1- Naruto the LAST had the worst transition out of all Naruto movie
        2- At the time I wrote that the last still had only 1.92 billions
        3- Have you ever heard of yen- dollar conversion? Its easier for me to work on dollars since the numbers the dollars is a stronger coin than the yen, so I just converted, son, so my math wasnt FAILED
        4- I got the 12k information simply by IMDB, but it was only an estimate at that time, this already changed ( for more actually)
        5- HAHAHAHAHA so sad, you contradicted yourself…hahaha
        you said “LOL, sorry, but THERE ARE NO BUDGET NOR MARKETING BUDGET FOR ANY OF NARUTO MOVIES!” And then you posted a supposed budget/ production cost and advertising expenses haha but really, you don’t have even a source I have one actually as I said before.
        And really just the fact that the LAST had the worst transition in all of Naruto movies should tell you enough

        About your last paragraph:
        –Nana Mizuki is a famous VA out of Naruto, In fact the role who gave her fame among the anime people in JP was Magical girl Nanoha
        –I don’t really care if that guy who calls himself an author won an award or not, Naruto was a story running for 15 years, its a big thing so I was already expected to happen. The fact that he won such award doesnt take the fact that there is an uproar in the japanese fanbase about the movie mainly and he had even to write some words to defend himself from critcism…pathetic.

        have a nice day…and practice your argumentation…its very weak :p

          Guy (3 years ago)

          And sorry for the grammar, I tend to no check things

Observer (3 years ago)

Give it a rest folks, we know the ending was rushed and crappy, resulting the series heading downward spiral.

1) The Last barely made 500k in the US from the initial millions NH fandom brag about (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=lastnaruto.htm). It didn’t even made the “minimum 4 millions” NH fandom estimated (some said 9 millions) in the US. I guess those that barks the loudest do not necessarily bites the most. I can’t imagine the looks of the author and the studio knowing they sacrificed a lot of things to come to this situation. You’d know the actual result in the long run.

2) To the person posting the budget with Japanese “facts” above. None of us know how much it was budgeted exactly except the studio, and your “source” tells nothing to begin with. I’m not sure if you understand the content of your post to begin with :) sorry, not to discredit your message though…

Just to compare with other popular series and their latest movie release (my source is boxofficemojo, you can google it on your own)
– Metantei Conan made 36 million
– Dragon Ball Z made 47 million
– Evangelion made 60 million
– One Piece made 68 million
– Doraemon made 80 million

The Last Naruto movie barely made 50% of what Metantei Conan made. Don’t even compare it to the likes of DBZ, Evangelion, or One Piece.

None of us know how much budget it has, but the rumored 12 million only for production cost does not seem to be far fetched (given the quality of the animation, etc). You know Hayao Miyazaki’s Wind Rises? That movie had 30 million budget (estimated), and made 117 million. So, in terms of money invested vs money earned, Naruto’s RTN gave a better value (4 million production cost with 17 million gross sales)

3) Manga sales were heading downward spiral. Check oricon.co.jp for statistics and compare it with the previous volumes. It only has the estimated gross sales, so you need to have some basic logistics and supply chain knowledge to appreciate the numbers.

Those are not necessarily the numbers that goes to the end of the chain (i.e. customer). Most of the time, it is the numbers pushed to resellers. The net sales is typically derived from gross sales – (discount + return).

The first period is always based on forecast, on how much the publisher wanted to invest in printing the copies and how much the resellers wanted to stock. The rest of the period is based on the actual performance (i.e. the balance between supply and demand). It means that if you see significant drop between periods (weeks in this case), you’d know that the demand is not as high as the expectation, thereby resulting in oversupply. In layman terms, the goods are piling up, forcing the reseller not to re-order again (until it reaches the safety stock level). You also need to consider geographical factor, which sometimes dictates the numbers in the following period, as they need to reach each and every corner of distribution area.

Anyways, why don’t you go to oricon.co.jp and check it out yourself (I assume you can speak Japanese since you’re trying so hard with your Japanese “source”). Checkout the statistics for volume 72 and compare it to the previous volume (let’s say volume 69, where they had the CPR). See the delta between each weeks. Volume 72 started with 870k in the first week, and immediately dropped to 186k in the following week. Compare the ratio with the previous volume and you’ll see what I mean.

Oh btw, the volume 69 I talked about managed to hold the manga best seller as per recent NY Times stats (again, checkout nytimes.com). It also managed to hold the number-one manga sales for two consecutive weeks in 2014 (checkout oricon.co.jp for the previous volumes and count how many managed to hold two consecutive weeks as number one –and no, not even volume 64 managed to do so).

And congrats Kishimoto to win the New Face award for the manga he authored between 1999-2014. The award was given for the manga he authored on that period (Naruto), and guess what was present between 1999-2014? You guess it right! Lots of Team 7 dynamics, and NaruSaku moments. Not so much of Hinata screentime (checkout yourself for the whole manga volume, NH interaction has only 38 pages from the whole total of 72 volumes. You do the math and let it sink for you…). Let’s see if he can win the same award with Boruto.

Now, since we all know how much Hinata’s actual value was, and how Kishimoto operates. I won’t be surprised if he will treat NH/SS with how he treated NS, once this plan failed to generate the money they expected. I’ll give it five years from now. My bet is either this franchise drowned by itself, or he’d made a back pedal to get back his fans attention…

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