A little notice + regrets as a Sakura fan after Kishimoto’s interview with Kobayashi.

Hey guys!

How are you doing?

Sorry I am not in a too speech-y mode and haven’t written my thoughts in regards to a lot of things in a while, have lots of things to take care of in RL plus that interview of Kishi’s with Kobayashi turned my stomach upside down.

I’m sorry to say it but I have lots all ounce of respect I once had for Kishi for what he did with this whole manga, and especially concerning Sakura’s character for me.

There are so many things I’d like to write (which I will someday) but sadly the things I need to take care of in RL at the moment are tad bit more important, heh. ^_^

But the point is that as I said, if I ever had an ounce of respect for Kishimoto up to a point and told myself that maybe someday I’ll understand and “forgive” him, so to speak, for this horrible ending, well, after I read that interview and after he did to Sakura’s character, my respect is gone. For ever.

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It’s funny because I remember when I started up in flames around here for what Kishi did in 614/615 in terms of Sakura’s relevance and heroine status to the story I was told that I’m being too rash… Well, maybe I was, but the reason I was… was because I knew it, I felt it that here it will be where all things will lead.

But I hoped till the very end that he won’t do this to Sakura’s character. That the Kishimoto back in the days of 2010 that defended Sakura’s character was still there. That that Kishimoto who still had that guts back then was still the Kishimoto of today. But I found out that not. He’s not. Even worse. He never was.

It was just us, fans who dearly loved a story who isn’t even his, that trusted him to the very end. Which in the end it was proven to be a mistake. A big one.

That’s why I say to myself… Never again. Never again I will trust an author nor this industry… Especially in terms of Japanese manga.

Their authors got some skewed views over female characters and female readers. Granted, here and there it seems to arise some promising things but overall…? The market is ran by otakus and every story has the potential to be ruined the way Naruto was ruined and I don’t wanna invest in something as such.

I have no words at the moment to express the absolute big disappointment I feel and regret – yes, regret -, over ever picking up what’s now this trash of a story, which isn’t even the story of its own author. Imagine and realize the magnitude of shit – excuse my language -, that’s behind the closed doors.

And I picked the wrongest character to ever like… Sakura Haruno… the ill-mannered bratty little ninja who was supposed to grow into this wonderful person, her own self. But because Naruto fandom got stuck back at chapter 3 Sakura and Hinata-sama Hyuga was “so perfect” to hell with Sakura. She must be erased, thrown to the garbage, fucked-up to the extremes and reversed to her 12 years old self because if she’s not like that, Hinata-hime-sama will stop looking the perfect angel… because Sakura’s efforts and very existence overshadows her. So then Sakura had to be taken out.

And not even her own author could defend her. Her own author who always said that there’s more to a girl than looks. Her own author, now, at the end of the story gives up on her. Like Naruto gave up on Sakura because… rivalry. Because she’s not perfect, Hinata-hime-sama is and he must love Hinata-hime-sama because that’s what a noisy bunch dictated along with some rather horny males.

Because yeah, I’m sorry but if you’re not seeing this… you’re doing nothing but denying the reality and justifying Kishi’s actions along with SJ/SP’s. But of course you’d do… after all you’ve got what you wanted, right? What does it matter how you did it?

The Hinata back in Part 1 wanted to be her own person, stand on her own two feet while, yes, inspired by Naruto she wanted to be her own self and person so that like him, she can stand up on her own to feet towards the challenges that arise in her life, the conflicts of her own family and all those things Hinata Hyuga was about in Part 1. Those things that didn’t meant a soft voice and good-looking pair of submissive boobs that is put in otakian Studio Pierr-esque style episodes in very fancy dresses that show not only her curvy body but her… ahem, you know, others…

Because yes, that’s what Hinata Hyuga has gotten to be used for… as nothing more than a more submissive and moe character that does nothing but revolve around the existence of her love interest while she’s drawn like the aforementioned… because Sakura Haruno wasn’t that.
Sakura Haruno was the exact opposite – not submissive at all, would throw a punch if limits of common sense was exceeded and all that.

And such image is so not desirable. And it’s even worse that it comes from little girls… the little girls that tomorrow will understand that it’s okay for them to revolve around a guy all their life. That if at a point in their life that guy would disappear they’d have no idea how to live.

But anyway, I’m derailing… But I don’t know if anyone will ever understand the depth of gravity of this situation… and it saddens me. And it infuriates me. It infuriates me knowing that we live in a world where the nowadays market is so consumer oriented that it forgets to educate the consumer on most of its times. That not the consumer dictates the lines of your story…

But oh well, apparently unlike his own character Naruto, Kishimoto does not have an unwavering gutsiness… On the contrary – he gave up.

And as a fan of Naruto, the story of a boy who never gave-up, for him to do that with Sakura, to give-up on his own character when the power was all in his hands, to me is a big disappointment and maybe the biggest of them all.

As a Naruto – the story -, fan first because he broke the no. 1 theme of this manga, as a Naruto – the character fan -, second and third, as a Sakura fan.

This also ties up with the fact that I’m a NaruSaku fan also. The very reason I got into this manga was because Naruto’s selfless love touched my heart and I saw that together, one day these two knuckleheads would conquer the world and bring their friend back together and finally be together themselves – after he so much longed for her heart and never gave up on it (supposedly, because nowadays…you know) and she finally started to view him for who he was, that guy who when she made her biggest mistakes instead of being a douche understood and appreciated her and love her the way she was. Because Naruto didn’t love Sakura for her looks or for her perfect self. No, like him, so not perfect like she was, he saw what he considered as beautiful to finally understand why he has fallen in love with her – her drive. That like him, she’s a fighter too and has a strong spirit and can love with a big heart. He only wished to get that big heart to love him too, one day. Without pushing it. At first, granted, he went wrong about it also but he understood and he promised to himself that he won’t force her.
That he would leave her free to choose and could only hope that one day she’d choose him. He just loved her and that’s it.

But that apparently was his biggest curse the way in Sakura’s case showing a change of heart and actually getting to fall for him was her’s.

They were doomed, both. All of them. Doomed in the hands of an author who not only had a wavering spirit but went back on his words and gave up on his own, despite the character that helped him climb the heights of success displaying totally different characteristics.

But in the end, maybe that’s what all this was about, maybe that’s what this whole series was: a prank. Kishi acted like he was writing a story, we thought he was really doing it, trusted him up to the last breath despite seeing serious issues with the writing, he made his money of our backs, now we’re fucked and he’s rich at the end of this prank while his fanbase deeply hurt and wounded. Of course, those of us who weren’t targeted by this ending. We didn’t matter. We were all nothing but the subjects of a prank, apparently.

So what can I say…? Thanks, Kishimoto. Thanks for making me trust in you and defend you till the gates of Hell when it came to so many things and especially Sakura and at the end of this you betray the very own character I loved so much. But I guess it was all part of this big prank now, so… what does it matter, right?

I would say a lot more but sadly at the moment as I told you, I have lots of things to take care of in RL and cannot write about all the things I have to say regarding the matters that have surfaced about the ending of this series. As you’ve seen, I haven’t managed to write even my reviews. But one day I will. I hope it’s gonna be sooner rather than later but I will at some point. Because there are so many things I want to say about this that I cannot just get past by. I feel like they had to be said. At least for Sakura Haruno and for what she once represented…

Maybe I should be continuing my Sakura Haruno: the character, the meaning, the hate series. I wanted to drop it after the way this series ended because I felt like there’s absolutely no way I could still defend Sakura but the point is that that respective writing series started because of the exact same reason for which these things happen today. Because Sakura was ripped of all her self while Hinata was put on a pedestal. A pedestal not only she didn’t raise up to, a pedestal that wasn’t even hers to begin with. But hey, that’s how business is done, right, Kishimoto?

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Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

But he had an idea in his mind and followed through. Hinata was one of the first created characters in the story and Sasuke and Sakura came AFTER the editor wanted them shoehorned in. If anything he should have your respect for sticking with his story every step of the way and ending it on his terms. Sure I can understand your disappointment for believing your interpretation would be the one that he’d end the story with but to “lose every ounce of respect” for a man who gave us one of the most popular and successful stories for 15 years is a bit much.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Hinata wasn’t one of the first created characters in the series. That’s a “fact” that people perpetuated around the internet from a wrongly translated snippet showcasing Hinata’s character.
    So no, he doesn’t have my respect because first and foremost, if you have seen the interview it’s not even his story. This story was constructed on popularity polls and editors wishes. Kishimoto is nothing more but an illustrator but not an author or a writer.

    And it’s not about interpretation here. When you go from “You say Hinata, Hinata. I say she’s not Hinata” when referring Sakura and her deserving of her heroine status and how Hinata would deserve to be the heroine to this, you can’t come and argue that it’s about interpretation.

    And what does popularity or success has to do with its quality anyway? 50 Shades of Grey is a shit movie but it’s still popular and successful. That’s irrelevant.

      Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

      ” wrongly translated snippet showcasing Hinata’s character.”

      Have I remind you that you and tons of NS fans were clinging into a wrongly translated Junko interview which has been translated fully and truly some weeks later? ;P

      “And what does popularity or success has to do with its quality anyway? 50 Shades of Grey is a shit movie but it’s still popular and successful. That’s irrelevant.”

      You was thinking the opposite until NaruHina didn’t happen and defended it despite Naruto-Sasuke-Sakura love triangle was the fucking same like the Twilight crap.

      And you should know that craps not become popular but infamous and Naruto is the third most sold manga in history.

    Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

    Heroine status does not equal a legitimate point for her ending with Naruto. The “snippet” of Hinata being one of the first characters created from my own understanding is true but then again you have your sources I have mine so it’s pointless arguing about it, I never meant to equate popularity or success to quality, I’m the first to admit the last 300 chapters or so were lackluster. What I meant to say was that he got a story to be popular as hell and ran that train to the finish line as one of the most popular stories you can call it shit but there are plenty of fans who love it go to any convention and you’ll find the place teeming with them. Bottom line if you were expecting some intricate love story you’re mistaken to expect it from a Shounen, go read a Seinen or Shoujo manga if you want that. You can be hate it for the ending, you can hate it for your ship being wrong but expecting anything more from the story other than a superficial story about ninjas and never giving up is just naive. Most of the “shipping bait” in the story is up to interpretation I’ve read plenty of breakdowns and “facts” from both sides to honestly say they had some merit I just so happen to prefer Hinata cuz she was the first to believe in Naruto, visually Sakura was more to my taste to be honest.

      Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

      But yet for Hinata it did, right so now we have no problem? Don’t you see that your argument starts bad before it even begins? Don’t you see that the only reason Hinata became a heroine is that she can be next to Naruto’s side which means that Kishi went for the Hero x Heroine formula which would’ve equaled NaruSaku but because Hinata-sama “deserves” Naruto we’ve got this.
      I have the picture with Kishimoto explaining Hinata’s character with the translation, the same picture people used to say that Hinata was among the first ones created in Naruto’s world or that she was supposed to be a citizen. No, that part only says that that was how Hinata was supposed to look in Naruto’s world but that’s it. Hinata takes no priority to Sasuke or Sakura or Kakashi, she comes much much longer and if you would have read the interview and remember the manga, you would’ve understood that she comes in the same period with the Chuunin Exams which means that she was created with the other batch of characters from the need to have characters and a tournament.

      And once again, what’s your point with all the others? See, that’s a thing with people defending Hinata. They deflect from the point. It doesn’t matter that she saw him for who he was first, she still did nothing and that’s even worse. To see someone suffering and you staying there and doing nothing for their suffering is absolute worst.

      Naruto needed any kind of acknowledgement. be it even bad, the one Sakura gives him first. But he treasures that because it made him feel alive. With what did Hinata’s looking behind the trees made him feel alive?

      Look, stop deflecting from the matter at hand because if we’re going to go by but Hinata this and that, trust me, I have plenty of manga ammo, so to speak, to turn it back.

      You’re trying to defend Kishi of the fact that he dethroned Sakura’s character and try to make it about NaruSaku when my point wasn’t even about NarutoSaku in its totality. That was just a part of it, but the major point here is that Kishi robbed Sakura’s status as a heroine because she wasn’t popular enough like Hinata. That’s it, that’s the point. Don’t deflect it and try to make it about me being a NaruSaku when it’s not because it doesn’t help your argument at all.

      The matter at hand is very simple here: you don’t do that. You don’t erase a character or hurt its status because it’s not popular enough because first and foremost it’s your story. The moment when you let character polls to run your story it means it wasn’t even your story to begin with. Which, from what it looks it seems to be that way, but that’s another thing for another time.

        Elkas (3 years ago)

        You pretty much type everything i have in my heart about this abomination. Nicely done my lady. Don’t waste your time and energy replying that guy. He just NH/SS/Hinata otaku who wants to hurt/force you to accept the ending. Some questions my lady, are you going to watch/read part 3 about “You Know Who” son?, and are you going to read that novel that they say coming in 3 april?. And what do you thing about this novel? i realy want to know your answer hope you share some with me. Thanks ^_^ V

        Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

        “It doesn’t matter that she saw him for who he was first, she still did nothing and that’s even worse. To see someone suffering and you staying there and doing nothing for their suffering is absolute worst.”

        And what Sakura did for Naruto? Oh yeah, nothing but “Sasuke-kun”!

        Be correct: none of the children were allowed to go near Naruto.

        “Naruto needed any kind of acknowledgement. be it even bad, the one Sakura gives him”

        Now you just legalised abusive relationship. You are a hypocrite.

        “he dethroned Sakura’s character and try to make it about NaruSaku when my point wasn’t even about NarutoSaku”

        Sure, just the majority of your post is about NaruSaku.

          Reika (3 years ago)

          I’m a not native english speaker so excuse me if I make some mistakes but… I just need to say that I appreciate a lot all the work you make and the effort you put in answering to all those people that use always the same arguments and look that had read another manga.
          Saying that Sakura hasn’t done anything for Naruto, that he never loved her, that Hinata was one of the first characters created (even before Sasuke and Sakura), etc… Seriously you have the heaven gained to even try to talk with those people.
          I just can’t stand this NH/Hinatard fandom anymore.

        jacq (3 years ago)

        what I get from your whole tirade is, sakura is the heroine and no one else should be. so I have a few questions, 1st, what is it about being a heroine that is relevant to the story or relevant to sakura’s character. she could be the one and only heroine and STILL not end up with naruto and still be a shitty character. 2nd, are you absolutely SURE this interview wasn’t mistranslated, because yeah, you cant blame us, most of the stuff you guys spew off are either mistranslated or fabricated stuff – you have to understand the notion of sakura being a terrible woman statement here – is actually for the protection of sakura’s character. All throughout the manga she had been pining for sasuke – and then suddenly she will shift to naruto bec, I don’t know he is more golden now? and also, that popularity is bullshit – if it were for popularity he would have left it open ended because narusasu is the most popular.

        frankly, no matter what you try to come across it all goes back to IF sakura had ended with naruto then everything is A ok shit. I can guarantee that this is all the root of all this – because you have proven by all your posts that you would have been ok with absolutely anything and everything as long as sakura is the heroine that gets with naruto.

        ps. losing respect and hating on an author for delivering an ending that was not the same as your preferred one is silly.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          I will come back with a more developed response to you at some point given that now I don’t have the time but let me say just this before I edit.

          Your last assumption that I am losing respect and hating on an author for delivering an ending that was not the same as my preferred one – end quote, is wrong. It’s not because he didn’t deliver an ending that I preferred, it’s because he delivered a horrible ending that didn’t live up to the terms he, himself as an author raised. So you see, those are two different things.

          stacy (3 years ago)

          agree. I actually don’t get what the problem is with Hinata becoming one of the main characters. its not like there is a fixed rule for story telling where in a character that isn’t part of the “main” characters introduced cant be heroine. heck even a “main” character can become the antagonist. I also sense a lot of entitlement in these kind of posts – I mean, who says YOUR version of the story would be better?

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          You sense entitlement on my blog? Hmm, I wonder why. Actually, authors don’t change character statuses like socks, ya know? If you’d really know how things go down in the literary world. But how can he even know that when the man isn’t even in charge of his own story, lol. Also the reasons, dear, make it look like complete trash.
          But hey, if you’re satisfied with it fine by me, I’m not and I have all the right of entitlement in the world to brag about it on my blog. Don’t forget you’re in my home, not yours.

Orenji (3 years ago)

I actually don’t see how Hinata can even be considered a heroine she did nothing to deserve it. even in the end she only tripped on a rock while Sakura went to fight a god and make a huge difference in that fight if Hinata would have been there she would have been killed or got someone else killed. example Neji is dead because of her.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    This type of thing just shows how much of a shitty writer Kishi actually is

    narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

    Hinata is the most overrated character in teh series but Kishi never stated she was the “heroine” also Sakura did nothing to deserve the “heroine” title either.

      Guy (3 years ago)

      Sakura turned out to be a poor heroine but thats because of kishimoto bad writing. She is the heroine nevertheless and has some feats like being one of the first peple to defeat an akatsuki member and helping on the kaguya thing

      Kishimoto thought about exchanging heroine bc of popularity, its in the interview you can’t deny it. I think he never followed that up though because Sakura was already too much inside the main female role in the manga

        narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

        Please don’t bring up bullshit fights like the Sasori one. Kaguya sucks plain and simple and ANYBODY could have done that, Ralkage could have done it, Tsunade could have done it, Obito could have done it that doesn’t mean anything and its sad because Sakura fans eat anything Kishi gives them, she’s a MAIN character not a side……..
        Kishi said he thought about it but didn’t do it dispelling the myth that he’s a “sellout”…

        jacq (3 years ago)

        facts only please. also why do people consider sasori and punching a god as sakura’s achievements? re-read the manga pls, chiyo controlled sakura for sasori – she aint worth nothing without chiyo. and then that punching a god did nothing and sasuke and naruto had to clean up after her.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Re-read the manga please, indeed. Chiyo stopped controlling Sakura. And as Sakura is worth nothing without Chiyo, so is viceversa available. Confirmed by granny Chiyo herself. ;)

          Sasuke and Naruto had to clean up after her or did she had to clean up after them because Kaguya was escaping? Please.

    Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

    LOL, Hinata saved Neji’s asses in chapter 526. Reread it.

    And no, Sakura didn’t fought againts Kaguya, she was dropped like a hammer by Kakashi when he was above Kaguya. Being a tool is not a feat.

    And Pain > than Sasori who was not even defeated by Sakura but Chiyo while Sakura was just standing there.

      Guy (3 years ago)

      @Naruto’s awesome
      man I’m not going against you, Sakura was a poor heroine but she evolved from part 1 to part 2, she showed development on her physical and emotional side I When she attacked Sasuke in Orochimaru’s hideout) . What happened is that somehow her development was completely forgotten past Pein arc, she went back to call herself useless and began acting like a doormat around Sasuke again.

      She was a poor heroine (thanks to the author) but she was the heroine. Kishimoto wanted to change but he couldn’t bc he was too late in the manga, so he did this in the last, made Hinata the main female

      And hey, I don’t like Kauya either, she is a stupid villain, I don’t know what she added to the story besides her stupid lore of rabbit goddess but Sakura actually did work on this fight without her OBito wouldn’t be able to bring Sasuke back and Naruto and Sasuke wouldn’t be able to seal her at the time

      Still, Sakura could be a LOT better, she was a poor heroine, her skills remained pratically the same for the whole lot of part 2, the foreshadowing of having her as a genjutsu user was forgotten. I say put her on the hands of an author who knows how to work with female characters and she would’ve became pretty nice

      Guy (3 years ago)

      @Mustang buddy
      Really? Man, Hinata was as bad as Sakura. She never won one fight in the manga unless it was against fodders for example.
      Besides Sakura wasnt useless against Kaguya , as much as I hate that fight without her and Obito’s teamwork Sasuke wouldn’t have came back and the sealing would be impossible.

      And sorry man, while Hinata was one hit KO against Pein, Sakura actively fought against Sasori, yeah she had Chiyo’s help but without her Chiyo would be dead and vice-versa

        Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

        “Really? Man, Hinata was as bad as Sakura. She never won one fight in the manga unless it was against fodders for example.”

        LOL when did I said that Hinata won a fight? All I said that she also saved other people and cared about other people too.

        Also fact: Pain was the strongest member of Akatsuki who not only crushed Kakashi + Choza + Choji + 4 jonins but also destroyed/soloed ENTIRE Konoha while Sasori was the weakest of all Akatsuki members and who later has been soloed by even loser fodders even with the edo tensei advantages.

        And about the Sasori fight, even the majority of Sakura fans (no NaruSaku fans counted) rated the Chiyo (+Sakura) VS Sasori fight as one of the worst fight in the manga and also agreeded that it was Chiyo who both defeated and killed Sasori.

        About the “without Sakura”, tons of Sakura fans still can’t and even finally given up and agreeded that “an one hour exhausted girl’s overused seal > a clone of the legendary Rikudo Sennin’s chakra” was a huge asspull which was only happened to give some roll to Sakura.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Bundy

          …Are you saying Sakura didn’t care about her peers? Because…well Hinata wasnt the only one who saved the people in the war you know? Sakura might be a two trick pony and badly developed on her style of fight overall but she healed the entire shinobi forces in the war

          Does this changes the fact Hinata was solo’ed by Pein? Him being strong is no matter, the fact remains that she couldn’t do nothing with him. So I don’t really know why you brought the comparision between him and Sasori ( who wasn’t that weak himself) since Hinata never fought an enemy on Sasori’s level and her battle with Pein shouldn’t even be called a battle

          LOL do you have any proof? the Chiyo and Sakura vs Sasori was a good fight, seriously. it hyped pretty much everyone at the beginning of shipuuden . I was there you know hahaha. Besides even if this poll you say is the truth there is a matter of personal bias involved. As we know huge part of the fandom doesnt like Sakura.
          Chiyo wouldn’t be able to defeat Sasori without Sakura man…sometimes your hate blinds you terribly. Its almost pathetic.

          Wtf are you talking about? I’m talking about the time where Sakura used her seal to give Obito power to save Sasuke. Where did this Rikudou clone thing came from?

          The last part of the manga was full of asspulls. Sakura’s seal included. Kishimoto didn’t know how to properly develop her character in the end. Fact.

          Still it bugs that some people keep trying to find whatever excuse to throw at the parts were she was genuinely not useless

          .

narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

Why do you say this was “all done for Hinata” including SS, Kishi time and time again has shoved down Sakura’s feelings down the manga readers throats, do you need her to wear a T-Shirt saying she “loves Sasuke” for you to believe that she hasn’t moved on? Nothing about Sakura’s character was “ruined” she still loves Sauce, even in 693 you thought NS was going to happen, though I feel sorry that you like a character whom their only battle was bullshit and the author has to pull out bullshit to make them relevant for one chapter (Seal, Tsunade being “low on chakra”, Kaguya)
An ending no matter how bad doesn’t ruin a manga, the worst ending I have ever seen (Hitman Reborn) doesn’t make me think the series sucks. For you stick through Kishi’s bad writing in the Pain Arc, Sasuke Vs Danzo/Deidara/Orochimaru, Sakura Vs Sasori, Naruto Vs Pain/Kakazu, and the Fourth Great Ninja War and still think the series was quality but if Sakura gets “ruined” or NS didn’t happen you think the manga is bad is ridiculous.
And what’s up with you thinking Naruto liked Sakura for non shallow reasons instead of looking at fillers you should know he only liked her because she was pretty (She was a bitch), he even liked Haku before he revealed he was a boy…..

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Because it was and the author himself said so? What, can’t you read the interview and see how the sole reason Hinata was pushed into the story was because of her popularity? Dear God, first be sure to read correctly the information and then come with “arguments”.

    And lol @ trying to make it about “but if Sakura gets ruined or NS doesn’t happen you think the manga is bad”. Once again proving that you just throw around arguments for the sake of throwing them around not because you actually understood a thing. If you’d know me you’d know that I had problems with this manga long before it was finished. So once again, your argument is invalid. I had problems with the manga long before it ended pal. I just made the mistake to believe in Kishi until the last moment that one way or another he’s gonna pull through, which not only he did not, but he fucked-up things even worse.

      Guy (3 years ago)

      you said it Chatte :D

      narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

      Hinata is irrelevant. Sakura would still love Sasuke and the only thing that would change is that poor little Narudo wouldn’t have another girl to get with.
      Nothing could get worse than Kaguya so I don’t know what you’re talking about, the ending ruined nothing that wasn’t already ruined.
      Kishi also isn’t a sellout because he would have made Hinata the heroine instead of Sakura, both suck so IDC. Sakura was never the “heroine” she did nothing to deserve that title, absolutely nothing about Sakura’s character was ruined and she didn’t “revert back to her 12 year old fangirl self” as she stopped being a fangirl after the Chunin Exams.
      And lol, put arguments in ” because you can’t counter them, you’re just salty TBH you should have known Kishi wasn’t going to make Sakura good as she was beyond redemption and made Sasuke/Naruto/Hinata your favorite as two of them aren’t as bad and one of them is overrated and loved….

        Guy (3 years ago)

        You should just read the interview, he basically admits thinking about exchanging Sakura for Hinata due to popularity. He also says the whole scene with the love letter where Sakura thinks of Sasuke was just supposed to give the anime guys a cue to make some filler.
        I think it would be prefectly acceptable if Sakura got over her feelings for Sasuke at some point and started something new with Naruto, really. And also she is the heroine, defnition of a heroine is a female hero, someone who actively affects the story with her actions. Sakura is a poor heroine because of kishi’s bad writing but she is the heroine nevertheless.

        I think your hate for Sakura blinds you a little. She had a good development till Summit arc. she hcame a long way from that fangirl from part 1. She could hold her own in a fight and showed much more care for her teammates. Kshi failed with her development in mid part 2 because he brought that love angle back, and we all know how he made Sakura act around Sasuke, like a doormat. after this not only he declared Sakura “useless ” ut her previous develpment was forgotten and she went back to get sad over sasuke. Chap 693 and 699 especially shows how she came back to her 12 year old roots. So yeah, Sakura had potential but the author dforgot about it and brought her to zero again

        I would say Naruto became a bad character in these last few years too, his messia complex was not interesting and he could not give a clear answer to the complex questions Kishimoto put in the world and I would say Sasuke character was fickle somehow, his last development of wanting to change the world was interesting but it was never given a follow up instead he completely forgot about it when in fact his goal was a noble one but his methods were ruthless.

        So yeah, while Sakura is clearly a case of bad writing, Kishimoto’s inadequacy and incompetence eventually hurt all characters taht weren’t dead in the later parts of the story

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        Hinata isn’t irrelevant because if she’d be, we wouldn’t be here. Once again, you can’t seem to grasp that interview, can you? Dude, the author himself said that Sakura fell for Naruto too but if she were to allow herself to move to Naruto she’d be a terrible woman because … Hinata!
        So your argument is totally irrelevant and I really can’t see why you keep deflecting things away from Hinata when she’s the root problem here or better said her loud fanbase.

          narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

          But he didn’t so that’s irrelevant. Even if that was the case of the love scene he still did it and it is constantly reaffirmed by other people and her in 693.
          She didn’t have bad development in the Kage Arc, she realize that Naruto/Sasuke can only solve there problems by themselves and she can’t change Sasuke and leaves it to Naruto. in 699, she is trying to star ta romantic relationship with Sasuke because she would try to pursue a romantic one with him if he was still evil and her main goal was saving him from darkness. And yeah I wouldn’t mind if she moved on from Sauce but Naruto whom Sasuke treated worse was ready to die with Sasuke so if you want to attack someone for that do it to him.
          I agree with your point on Naruto but I was comparing him to Hinata and he is leagues above her. Sauske is fickle and Kishi just makes it so that Sasuke does minimal damage to have him be redeemed and accepted which is why his full potential as a villain unlike Madara was never reached.

          narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

          I don’t think you understand what he meant about Sakura being a “terrible woman”, Kishi doesn’t see Sasuke as a douche like you do, he think Sauce is a broken person and deserves a second chance in love and Sakura denying him that is bad (Take it how you like but realize what Naruto does for Sasuke). And also Sakura would be seen as the equvalant of a gold digger as she would fall for Narudo after he saved the village and Hinata efforts would be negated, even if Hinata wasn’t there, there still will be other reasons.
          I dislike Hinata greatly and she honestly should have died in the Pain Arc so i;m not trying to defend her and yeah I agree her fanbase is the worst in Naruto.

          Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

          …. Oh, sure the problem is Hinata and not:
          – The fucked up Gaara arc where the DBZ explosions and massive resurrections starts.
          – The lame Sai and Sasuke arc which was technicaly about nothing but making Mokuton a fodder technique and instead of developing other members of Konoha 11 Kishi created two unnecesary characters.
          – Shikamaru Shippuden, aka official manga filler where not only Shikamaru steals the main protagonist role from Naruto but Kakashi becomes both OOC and a hypocrite who instead tellim him the same shit to Shikamaru about revenge like did to Sasuke he agree with Shikamaru and go to help in his revenge. And no, Itachi was also a member of Akatsuki so Kakashi don’t have any excuse.
          – The asspull Itachi Hunt where not only new never hinted things appear like Rikudo or the Rinnegan, but totally retcons the Fox Attack, introduce more unnecesary characters (Taka), killing Orochimaru who was supposed to be the main antagonist and other stuff.

          And so on but if I say that ironicaly the only meaningfull casuality of the pinky was was Neji then I think I justify the fact that the entire manga has been ruined since the start of Part 2 and only shippingers like you protected this crap manga. And that’s a fact.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Naruto’s awesome

          Sakura had a bad development on KS arc because what she said completely contradicted her best moment on part 1, when she held her head high and told Naruto they would go after Sasuke together, if Kishimoto wanted to take her of their impending fight there were better ways than suddenly declaring her characters uselesness

          Well, Sakura loved Sasuke, we don’t know why she did, or why she continues doing without any good reason but she loves him , even if after all this time she can only think of her feelings regarding him and never of his feelings, acting selfish like even the author said she acted…
          The truth is that this “love ” was bad for Sakura character, it hurt her and exposed all of her bad qualities, until the end i hoped she would develop somehow regarding this but it never happened

          You shouldn’t really compare how Naruto acted with Sasuke to how Sakura acted with him. Naruto just wanted to save his friend. His first bond from the path he was set him. Sakura apparently wanted to “save” Sasuke because she wanted a romantic relationship with him and even when she lost hope he would come back she then decided to kill him because she couldn’t bear the thought of seeing Sasuke as a terrorist…you see how it’s always about her feelings? She doesn’t put herself on Sasuke’s place like Naruto did with her and Sasuke himself, her relationship with Sasuke is inherently selfish .

          Kishimoto also didn’t help when he failed to reveal Sasuke’s motives to Sakura, we don’t even know how she would reacted in discovering Konoha was the one behind the massace, just this shows how much thought Kishimoto put in the SS relationship

          On your other post.

          If Kishimoto really cared about Sasuke he would show Sasuke working on his dream of changing the system, he would show konoha acknowledging the truth about the massacre and Itachi being revealed as a true Konoha shinobi… I mean “romantic love” was never an important trait on Sasuke’s character, so why reward him in the end with “love” ?

          And no, Sakura wouldn’t be seen as the equivalent of a gold digger if she ended up falling in love with Naruto, their relationship had been improving since the end of part 1 and if the author or writer knew how to work with it, this impression of gold digger wouldn’t be even considered

          And yeah, the hinata fanbase is one of the worst

      Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

      Nope, you never had problems with the manga before, you was only ranting about why females are weaker in a shonen fight manga which genre are totally for boys.

      The real Naruto fans who saw the shitstorm dropped the manga after Gaara has been revived and this is a fact. Only NaruSaku anf NaruHina shippingers kept the manga selling well.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        Untrue. Not in all shonen mangas, the women are relegated to such a ridiculous role.
        Even in DBZ we had Android 18 who was quite the badass completely destroying SSj Vegeta at their first fight
        In Inuyasha we had Kagome who was also a good developed female.
        In OP we have a good stash of well developed female chars and I don’t even need to talk about Bleach

        And really…doesn’t even matter if the women are relegated to a support role in some mangas, what matters is the development, a thing the female on Naruto quite clearly lacked.

        Besides as I said multiple times and you keep forgetting. Naruto’s manga downfall began after Pein arc. Before this of course we had flaws here and there that took the enjoyment out of some scenes in the manga but nevertheless until Pein the story was pretty consistent , after Pein however…

          narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

          “Sakura had a bad development on KS arc because what she said completely contradicted her best moment on part 1, when she held her head high and told Naruto they would go after Sasuke together, if Kishimoto wanted to take her of their impending fight there were better ways than suddenly declaring her characters uselesness”

          True but I think that it shows that she acknowledges that Sasuke can only be saved by Naruto and to leave it up to him and yeah I have a hard time defending Sakura..

          “Well, Sakura loved Sasuke, we don’t know why she did, or why she continues doing without any good reason but she loves him , even if after all this time she can only think of her feelings regarding him and never of his feelings, acting selfish like even the author said she acted…
          The truth is that this “love ” was bad for Sakura character, it hurt her and exposed all of her bad qualities, until the end i hoped she would develop somehow regarding this but it never happened”

          Her love isn’t a bad point because she got stronger that way, she develops greatly because of Naruto/Sasuke but Sasuke is a bigger part of her development. He tells her that she’s annoying causing her to be nicer to Naruto, he tells her to hone her skills which she does, she relaizes the pain of losing someone she loves because she had her parents and a happy life, and she gets stronger to help Naruto and save Sasuke.

          “You shouldn’t really compare how Naruto acted with Sasuke to how Sakura acted with him. Naruto just wanted to save his friend. His first bond from the path he was set him. Sakura apparently wanted to “save” Sasuke because she wanted a romantic relationship with him and even when she lost hope he would come back she then decided to kill him because she couldn’t bear the thought of seeing Sasuke as a terrorist…you see how it’s always about her feelings? She doesn’t put herself on Sasuke’s place like Naruto did with her and Sasuke himself, her relationship with Sasuke is inherently selfish .”

          Sakura main goal wasn’t to try to pursue a romantic relationship with Sasuke but rather to save him from darkness and have Team 7 back, IDK why people called her a fangirl in 699 since Sasuke is now redeemed she tries to pursue a romantic relationship with him….

          “Kishimoto also didn’t help when he failed to reveal Sasuke’s motives to Sakura, we don’t even know how she would reacted in discovering Konoha was the one behind the massace, just this shows how much thought Kishimoto put in the SS relationship”

          I agree IDK why Naruto/Kakashi didn’t tell Sakura about it…..

          “If Kishimoto really cared about Sasuke he would show Sasuke working on his dream of changing the system, he would show konoha acknowledging the truth about the massacre and Itachi being revealed as a true Konoha shinobi… I mean “romantic love” was never an important trait on Sasuke’s character, so why reward him in the end with “love” ?”

          Its really sad Itachi will probably be known as a murderer but Sasuke grew in this sense because he acknowledges that Itachi didn’t want to be remembered and it would stain the Uchiha name and also make Konoha seem bad..

          “And no, Sakura wouldn’t be seen as the equivalent of a gold digger if she ended up falling in love with Naruto, their relationship had been improving since the end of part 1 and if the author or writer knew how to work with it, this impression of gold digger wouldn’t be even considered”

          She didn’t like him when he was a failure and wasn’t interested in him but when he became a hero she wants him. And also NS moments and development can ALL be interpreted as platonic…….

          Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

          “Untrue. Not in all shonen mangas, the women are relegated to such a ridiculous role.
          Even in DBZ we had Android 18 who was quite the badass completely destroying SSj Vegeta at their first fight”

          ….. Really? Because of 1 cyborg which is technicaly not even a human but a ROBOT is equal non sexism?

          She may defeated Vegeta once, but after that everyone crushed her like a bug who were not normal human aka fodder.

          “In Inuyasha we had Kagome who was also a good developed female.
          In OP we have a good stash of well developed female chars and I don’t even need to talk about Bleach”

          Inuyasha was written by a FEMALE so of course the females there are strong.

          Still in One Piece the females only able to defeat other females or the weaker enemies but not the stronger ones.

          Bleach is right, but interestingly females called Kubo a sexist because of big boobs.

          “And really…doesn’t even matter if the women are relegated to a support role in some mangas, what matters is the development, a thing the female on Naruto quite clearly lacked.”

          It depends on what do you mean about the term of development as there are tons of different kind. Development in power, development in personality and so on.

          “Besides as I said multiple times and you keep forgetting. Naruto’s manga downfall began after Pein arc.”

          And I told multiple times why did the manga started to sucks right when Part 2 started + why did the most sane fans left the manga when Gaara has been resurrected in a manga where death should be permament. The entire mass resurrection + asspulls + logic fails + retcons + DBZ fights started with the start of Part 2 and not later.

          Also funny how people say it’s okay to giving the main character status to Shikamaru for an entire arc which was about retcons + asspulls + making Kakashi OOC but angered when the same happens to a FEMALE and only for the lenght of a movie. Isn’t it what they call… well… hypocrite?

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @ Naruto’s awesome

          “True but I think that it shows that she acknowledges that Sasuke can only be saved by Naruto and to leave it up to him and yeah I have a hard time defending Sakura..”

          –She could have found this in another manner without she ending up being regarded as an useless heroine
          For example, if she and Naruto had an heart to heart talk about the matter things wouldn’t look so bad, for example, Sakura saying that she was sorry for being useless and not following her promise and Naruto helping her and showing a manner in which she could help. Seriously almost anyone who genuinely cares for Sakura’s character can write her better than Kishimoto ever did

          “Her love isn’t a bad point because she got stronger that way, she develops greatly because of Naruto/Sasuke but Sasuke is a bigger part of her development. He tells her that she’s annoying causing her to be nicer to Naruto, he tells her to hone her skills which she does, she relaizes the pain of losing someone she loves because she had her parents and a happy life, and she gets stronger to help Naruto and save Sasuke.”

          –Not really. I’d say both of them inspired her and not only her love for Sasuke did, if she did everything just so she could be fit for Sasuke then this would make her a worse character than she already is.
          I say her love was bad because it actively showed her worst traits when it was brought to the front, there is no deying this. Just look at the war arc and the fact that Sakura can’t act like herself around Sasuke for the duration of the whole manga

          “I agree IDK why Naruto/Kakashi didn’t tell Sakura about it”

          –Because he is a bad writer and didn’t really cared for SS

          “Its really sad Itachi will probably be known as a murderer but Sasuke grew in this sense because he acknowledges that Itachi didn’t want to be remembered and it would stain the Uchiha name and also make Konoha seem bad..”

          –Indeed its sad, but not only for Itachi, its sad because the ninja system, a flawed corrupt system still remains at power. the manga nover showed us how or if Naruto managed to change anything about it

          “Sakura main goal wasn’t to try to pursue a romantic relationship with Sasuke but rather to save him from darkness and have Team 7 back, IDK why people called her a fangirl in 699 since Sasuke is now redeemed she tries to pursue a romantic relationship with him…”

          –If her main goal was just this one she sure didn’t act like it back in 699, she ought to know Sasuke wouldn’t be looking for any relationships right now, it shows how much of she doesnt know him and how much her feelings remained selfish
          Kishimoto wasnt able to properly show how their relationship would have worked when their interaction generally brings out the worst out of each other

          “She didn’t like him when he was a failure and wasn’t interested in him but when he became a hero she wants him. And also NS moments and development can ALL be interpreted as platonic…….”

          –Not quite true, she recognized Naruto back at part 1 and he became her good friend at the end of it. On part 2 both of them continued being close to each other, and romantic feelings in Sakura’s part were hinted at times

          Analyzing all their interactions as platonic is impossible because its a fact that Naruto had feelings for Sakura ( this was retconned , but I’m not considering the Last BS ) and as I said before, it was hinted that Sakura felt somehting for him at times

          Futhermore analyzing all their interactions as platonic goes against kishimoto’s intentions if his words are to be trusted. He said Naruto was meant to be a red herring to fool the reader (LOL, yeah a red herring more developed than the canon pair, good going kishi) , so eah people were supposed to think it would happen and interpret thei interactions as non platonic ( if we go by kishi’s words)

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Bundy
          -Your lack of DBZ knowledge hurts me. Android 18 is a female , unlike 16 (pure robot) for example she is an android, part human/part cyborg. She was able to have a daughter later in this story and continued being badass
          After that her fight was with the asexual monster Cell who was already pretty strong on his own already from absorbing people and then 17. But if you want we can count the future of Mirai Trunks where 18 and 17 destroyed all the DBZ fighters, saiyans included

          -…This means male authors cant write strong female characters or female authors cant write strong male charatcters? hahahahaha, no excuse bro. Okay then, you want another shonen example? Male Hajime Isayama is known for his badass females from SnK

          -As I said before OP females are strong characters on their own. They develop and even though there is quite blatant fanservice the females aren’t useless compared to their male peers and we don’t even need to talk about their development

          –About Bleach, I found this a little troubling, these feminists are just looking for things to get angry about because there is plenty female flat-chested characters in bleach that are awesome in development and power ( ex: Rukia, Soi-Fon, etc)

          –I said development in power doesnt really matter as long as the character has a function and has a good development on her personality and emotional background

          –Oh C’mon, man this is shonen, did you really think death would be permanent? I thought it was okay for Gaara to come back with Chiyo’s jutsu. I was hoping for some kind of explanation on what this jutsu was and I could foresee Sakura using this in Naruto for example .
          The mass ressurection + Asspull + DBZ fights began at later part 2, which is indeed crap

          –Shikamaru arc was quite good but I don’t deny they butchered Kakashi’s character a little when he wanted to help Shikamaru’s revenge, they made him a hypocrite for what he said to Sasuke at part 1, but hey this is kishi genius writing for you!
          But alas this is just a small mistake for the horrible things the author was going to do to this story later on.

          The problem with the Last wasn’t the fact that it focused on Hinata ( although this ended up hurting too because this was the last movie not one simple character arc), it was the fact that it made Naruto ( THE MC) act OOC, destroyed even more one of the most important plot themes from part 1 ( Fight against destiny) with the ridiculous revelation about “Byakugan princess destined to defeat Toneri”, used DBZ fight style ( shikamaru arc remained relatively ninja-ish), didn’t adress themes it needed to be adressed in canon, bland romance scenes for non NH supporters which made most of the people who dont care for NH still not caring about the couple , fail on Sakura’s development, retcon on Naruto’s abilities ( Kage Bushin at the beginning of the movie when he just knew what normal bushin was) , fail on Hinata’s development ( made her character , who promised herself to walk besides Naruto after the war, continue to shy away from him) , Naruto’s convenient lack of empathy and human knowledge and much much much more :D

          narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

          “–Not really. I’d say both of them inspired her and not only her love for Sasuke did, if she did everything just so she could be fit for Sasuke then this would make her a worse character than she already is.
          I say her love was bad because it actively showed her worst traits when it was brought to the front, there is no deying this. Just look at the war arc and the fact that Sakura can’t act like herself around Sasuke for the duration of the whole manga”

          Her love wasn’t bad, her altitude was bad. You over exaggerate her reactions, she does it only when Sasuke is being a high level douche, and she isn’t going to react the same way as with Naruto, she LOVES him and doesn’t see him as she sees Naruto. She can act herself, why do you assume acting “herself” is being a annoying Tsunadre that hits Naruto and is very loud?

          “–If her main goal was just this one she sure didn’t act like it back in 699, she ought to know Sasuke wouldn’t be looking for any relationships right now, it shows how much of she doesnt know him and how much her feelings remained selfish
          Kishimoto wasnt able to properly show how their relationship would have worked when their interaction generally brings out the worst out of each other”

          In 699 that’s a one year timeskip, Sasuke is redeemed so her original goal was complete THEN she tries to pursue a romantic relationship with him. Why do you say Sakura brought the worst out of Sasuke, Sasuke was already traumatized from his fucked up childhood, he’s going to be a douche to EVERYONE its not exclusive to Sakrua she just doesn’t fight him back, and judging their relationship in 700 (More than a decade later….) to 678 is the equivalent of judging NS relation in chapter 3 and thinking that’s it…

          “–Not quite true, she recognized Naruto back at part 1 and he became her good friend at the end of it. On part 2 both of them continued being close to each other, and romantic feelings in Sakura’s part were hinted at times”

          It was only ONCE where it suggested romantic feelings from Sakura and that was at the beginning and it was for comedic reasons, her relationship with Sasuke is never like that…

          “Analyzing all their interactions as platonic is impossible because its a fact that Naruto had feelings for Sakura ( this was retconned , but I’m not considering the Last BS ) and as I said before, it was hinted that Sakura felt somehting for him at times”

          It was also SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT that she loved Sasuke, do you want Kishi to say it every other chapter?

          “Futhermore analyzing all their interactions as platonic goes against kishimoto’s intentions if his words are to be trusted. He said Naruto was meant to be a red herring to fool the reader (LOL, yeah a red herring more developed than the canon pair, good going kishi) , so eah people were supposed to think it would happen and interpret thei interactions as non platonic ( if we go by kishi’s )”

          You also over exaggerate NS “development”, sure they became good friends which is different form chapter 3 but that doesn’t mean it has more than NH/SS. NH is parallel to MK in the opposite way unlike NS, Hinata developed form being a shy girl to being a strong person and not afraid to walk by Narudo’s side. SS went from Sakrua being a spoiled fangirl and Sasuke ignoring her feelings to Sakura genuinely loving him and experiencing pain from losing a very important person (Probably the most important….) and Sasuke caring more about her enough to call her one of his most precious people (Second to only Naruto) and eventually started a romantic relationship with her. Of course there’s more but i’ll go with these….

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Naruto’s awesome

          “–Not really. I’d say both of them inspired her and not only her love for Sasuke did, if she did everything just so she could be fit for Sasuke then this would make her a worse character than she already is.
          I say her love was bad because it actively showed her worst traits when it was brought to the front, there is no deying this. Just look at the war arc and the fact that Sakura can’t act like herself around Sasuke for the duration of the whole manga”

          Her love wasn’t bad, her altitude was bad. You over exaggerate her reactions, she does it only when Sasuke is being a high level douche, and she isn’t going to react the same way as with Naruto, she LOVES him and doesn’t see him as she sees Naruto. She can act herself, why do you assume acting “herself” is being a annoying Tsunadre that hits Naruto and is very loud?

          “–If her main goal was just this one she sure didn’t act like it back in 699, she ought to know Sasuke wouldn’t be looking for any relationships right now, it shows how much of she doesnt know him and how much her feelings remained selfish
          Kishimoto wasnt able to properly show how their relationship would have worked when their interaction generally brings out the worst out of each other”

          In 699 that’s a one year timeskip, Sasuke is redeemed so her original goal was complete THEN she tries to pursue a romantic relationship with him. Why do you say Sakura brought the worst out of Sasuke, Sasuke was already traumatized from his fucked up childhood, he’s going to be a douche to EVERYONE its not exclusive to Sakrua she just doesn’t fight him back, and judging their relationship in 700 (More than a decade later….) to 678 is the equivalent of judging NS relation in chapter 3 and thinking that’s it…

          “–Not quite true, she recognized Naruto back at part 1 and he became her good friend at the end of it. On part 2 both of them continued being close to each other, and romantic feelings in Sakura’s part were hinted at times”

          It was only ONCE where it suggested romantic feelings from Sakura and that was at the beginning and it was for comedic reasons, her relationship with Sasuke is never like that…

          “Analyzing all their interactions as platonic is impossible because its a fact that Naruto had feelings for Sakura ( this was retconned , but I’m not considering the Last BS ) and as I said before, it was hinted that Sakura felt somehting for him at times”

          It was also SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT that she loved Sasuke, do you want Kishi to say it every other chapter?

          “Futhermore analyzing all their interactions as platonic goes against kishimoto’s intentions if his words are to be trusted. He said Naruto was meant to be a red herring to fool the reader (LOL, yeah a red herring more developed than the canon pair, good going kishi) , so eah people were supposed to think it would happen and interpret thei interactions as non platonic ( if we go by kishi’s )”

          You also over exaggerate NS “development”, sure they became good friends which is different form chapter 3 but that doesn’t mean it has more than NH/SS. NH is parallel to MK in the opposite way unlike NS, Hinata developed form being a shy girl to being a strong person and not afraid to walk by Narudo’s side. SS went from Sakrua being a spoiled fangirl and Sasuke ignoring her feelings to Sakura genuinely loving him and experiencing pain from losing a very important person (Probably the most important….) and Sasuke caring more about her enough to call her one of his most precious people (Second to only Naruto) and eventually started a romantic relationship with her. Of course there’s more but i’ll go with these….

          –Sorry bro, no matter how you spin it the way that love was portrayed was bad for Sakura’s character, outside of SS and some NH, people didn’t care about it, in fact they found it pointless and stupid, this means kishimoto didn’t properly developed it (or didnt care at all)
          If she is sad when Sasuke is being a high level douche she would be sad all the time since this is Sasuke’s normal attitude XD he is blunt, he doesnt mince words, he says what he is thinking, this is one of his core character traits.
          Sakura’s normal personality is her noisy inteligent self , she is annoying (like Naruto sometimes) but she is also outgoing and sometimes compassionate,she is also a closet perv and extremely competitive…when she is with Sasuke tho she never acts like this, she cant be herself. Part 1 is a big example bacause Inner Sakura exists to act as Sakura’s true personality as opposed to her fake one she uses on sasuke.

          –Sasuke is not “redeemed” since he still had that long ass trip to do. I could say a thing or two about this “redempton” but this isnt the point
          Sakura brought the worst out of Sasuke because she didn’t really think of his feelings (unlike you know Naruto), for Sakura everything was about her feelings, she never tried to understand Sasuke’s actions as something out of “He is in a dark place”, which is pathethic. If Kishi wanted to properly develop SS he would have to make Sakura change, make she discover the truth about the Uchiha, make she discover Sasuke’s reasons and stop to portray her as such an example of selfish love.
          Yeah we can’t get a grasp of their relationship by 700( even though it is hinted that Sasuke spends long time away from home by Sarada) , this is one of the things I mean when I say the ending was rushed. We got a poor grasp on how things are now in the ninja world.
          “But there is part 3!!”
          Zip it!! Naruto should have standed on his own, the ending tried to be conclusive and failed terribly

          –Only once? Most of the early shipuuden NS hints came from Sakura side, and what did you called comedy? That time at the Tenchi bridge? That was comedy for you?
          And yes Sakura and Sasuke relationship was never as easy going and fun as the NS one

          –Every love was one sided, thats why no pairing was canon until the end. Sakura’s love for Sasuke became a character trait after Pein arc, which is a bad thing in itself,but even worse bc having a female character so fixated on a male character without a clear reason and considering the fact that this love had no development only hurt Sakura’s pride and self respect, ehich in turn made fans hate her more

          –NH parallalel to MK?
          Seriously? Man…

          Even when kishi admitted MK was made as part of the red herring NS, people still try to compare them to NH…?
          Oh man

          Besides NS was more developed than NH and SS in the manga. Fact
          Tough this was all erased by the Last retccons , they made NS seem lke a shallow relationship mainly on Naruto’s side when it was never like that, since Naruto’s feelings for Sakura were extremely selfless.

          Hinata was not able to walk on Naruto’s side, the manga said this but the last proved she wasnt able to until Naruto magically returned her feelings
          SS went from selfish love to continue being selfish love at the end of the story for reasons I already stated it. Sasuke was apathetic towards this the whole ride
          But of course Sasuke cared for Sakura even though she wasnt as important as Naruto , she was part of team seven, his second family.

          But yeah your thoughts about NH and SS were generally wrong. We lacked development on both these parts and SS development was highly negatvie in nature, KIshi didn’t knew how to handle them and this was showed for everyone to see during the manga and the last movie

          Guy (3 years ago)

          –Sorry bro, no matter how you spin it the way that love was portrayed was bad for Sakura’s character, outside of SS and some NH, people didn’t care about it, in fact they found it pointless and stupid, this means kishimoto didn’t properly developed it (or didnt care at all)
          If she is sad when Sasuke is being a high level douche she would be sad all the time since this is Sasuke’s normal attitude XD he is blunt, he doesnt mince words, he says what he is thinking, this is one of his core character traits.
          Sakura’s normal personality is her noisy inteligent self , she is annoying (like Naruto sometimes) but she is also outgoing and sometimes compassionate,she is also a closet perv and extremely competitive…when she is with Sasuke tho she never acts like this, she cant be herself. Part 1 is a big example bacause Inner Sakura exists to act as Sakura’s true personality as opposed to her fake one she uses on sasuke.

          –Sasuke is not “redeemed” since he still had that long ass trip to do. I could say a thing or two about this “redempton” but this isnt the point
          Sakura brought the worst out of Sasuke because she didn’t really think of his feelings (unlike you know Naruto), for Sakura everything was about her feelings, she never tried to understand Sasuke’s actions as something out of “He is in a dark place”, which is pathethic. If Kishi wanted to properly develop SS he would have to make Sakura change, make she discover the truth about the Uchiha, make she discover Sasuke’s reasons and stop to portray her as such an example of selfish love.
          Yeah we can’t get a grasp of their relationship by 700( even though it is hinted that Sasuke spends long time away from home by Sarada) , this is one of the things I mean when I say the ending was rushed. We got a poor grasp on how things are now in the ninja world.
          “But there is part 3!!”
          Zip it!! Naruto should have standed on his own, the ending tried to be conclusive and failed terribly

          –Only once? Most of the early shipuuden NS hints came from Sakura side, and what did you called comedy? That time at the Tenchi bridge? That was comedy for you?
          And yes Sakura and Sasuke relationship was never as easy going and fun as the NS one

          –Every love was one sided, thats why no pairing was canon until the end. Sakura’s love for Sasuke became a character trait after Pein arc, which is a bad thing in itself,but even worse bc having a female character so fixated on a male character without a clear reason and considering the fact that this love had no development only hurt Sakura’s pride and self respect, ehich in turn made fans hate her more

          –NH parallalel to MK?
          Seriously? Man…

          Even when kishi admitted MK was made as part of the red herring NS, people still try to compare them to NH…?
          Oh man

          Besides NS was more developed than NH and SS in the manga. Fact
          Tough this was all erased by the Last retccons , they made NS seem lke a shallow relationship mainly on Naruto’s side when it was never like that, since Naruto’s feelings for Sakura were extremely selfless.

          Hinata was not able to walk on Naruto’s side, the manga said this but the last proved she wasnt able to until Naruto magically returned her feelings
          SS went from selfish love to continue being selfish love at the end of the story for reasons I already stated it. Sasuke was apathetic towards this the whole ride
          But of course Sasuke cared for Sakura even though she wasnt as important as Naruto , she was part of team seven, his second family.

          But yeah your thoughts about NH and SS were generally wrong. We lacked development on both these parts and SS development was highly negatvie in nature, KIshi didn’t knew how to handle them and this was showed for everyone to see during the manga and the last movie

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @naruto’s awesome

          “Part 1 Inner Sakura was just used to say things she wouldn’t say out loud, she does this not because of Sasuke, in Part 2 she does it when Sai is talking to Ino. Her personality isn’t “fake” she just isn’t going to act like she does with Naruto because she doesn’t see Naruto in a romantic way.”

          –She does this because of Sasuke in part 1 since she can’t be herself around him, and yes in part 2 this happens in that specific scene because she wanted to see Sai calling Ino ugly and didn’t want to reveal it to anyone.
          Its simple, really, both cases she is trying to hide her true feelings about the matter.

          –Her personality with Sasuke isn’t her normal personality, Sakura should be able to be herself when she is around Sasuke, the same competent, noisy, outgoing Sakura she is with everyone else (not only with Naruto) unfortunately she was never able to be herself around him. Its widely known that romantic relationship almost end up bad if you are trying to be someone you aren’t

          “Well to Sakura/Naruto he is but Sasuke thinks he needs to atone for his sins. She isn’t selfish if that’s where you’re getting at, this is negated when she says and I quote ” If I could take all your pain I would” in 693….”

          –In first place, I think Sasuke’s goal was noble. I think this redemption was made in a half assed manner. I wanted to see Sasuke not regretting his goal but the manners he used to try to get there, this whole thing of “sins” is too general.
          Also good example by bringing up 693, the same chapter where she says she always feel pathetic when things are about him ( Great character development), where she says things regarding her own selfish feelings again not caring about what Sasuke needs to do (once again, great character development) and where she demonstrates she truly never could understand Sasuke. Its basically the same thing she did at the end of part 1. Wow such a great development (not)

          “Nope only once in the beginning where she blushed because she thought Naruto grew and that lead to Naruto ruining her expression of him, which also lead to her hitting him -_-. Really, you think that was romantic, she feels huge guilt because she thinks that she is causing Naruto to go crazy (Even though that promise is irrelevant) heck Kabuto was the one who told her that…”

          –You are forgetting what happened at the bridge? When Yamato pointed out that what she feels for Naruto might be more? Or a little before the Kyuubi 4 tails event, when Sai pointed out Sakura indeed deeply cares for Naruto? The hints are there. I respect you but I think you are a little biased on this matter

          “No, it was a character trait ever since her introduction she just didn’t talk about him because he wasn’t brought up. Unlike NH/NS/SK, SS was the hardest to become canon because Sasuke was always “evil” he had to be Talk No Jutsu-ed first then he can start a relationship..”

          –It was a character trait in fangirl Sakura, which is understandanble since she is a fangirl, Part 1 Sakura never truly demonstrated interest in Ninja related things till the end. Part 2 Sakura was apparently okay since it looked like her feelings for Sasuke or matured ( which would be good for SS ) or dissapeared, either way would be fine, the focus on romance aspects after Pein arc however deeply hurt Sakura’s character because it showed Sasuke was still her weak point even after everything and that her selfish love really didn’t change. The way it happened hurt even more the SS relationship and the story

          “Yeah. Hinata/Minato is the nice shy person who likes the judgemental Uzumaki and that Uzumaki sees as werido stalker until they get to know them..”

          –No, Minato is not shy/stalker, that was a anime filler, get your facts straight. Hinata and Minato are not alike. Minato is cool/colected character Hinata is a shy/self-concious character
          This argument came from stupid NH fans, don’t use it

          “He never stated that, he just said Sakura being like Kushina is a red herring not that MK was made to parallel NS….”

          –Kishimoto said MK was a red herring to NS, if his words are to be trusted I don’t know. Since he is known for lying. Its my opinion that he didn’t decided in the pairing till the beginning of the last production. Before this everything was fair game ( except SS, because that pairing is atrocious and shouln’t have happened) and even before this when Yahagi ( the first editor) was on the house, the story was more hinted towards NS

          “Putting “fact” after something doesn’t make it more right. Yeah I agree with The Last because they just should have said Narudo moved ion. Naruto’s feelings for everyone was selfless not just Sakura.”

          –But its indeed a fact. Their development/interaction greatly overshadows NH and SS

          “She walked by his side the Hand Holding scene. I already stated why it wasn’t selfish, and no she didn’t love him in the beginning she had a fangirl crush which obviously developed.”

          —Yeah, and look how the Last made shit of this too, Hinata obviously has difficulties about even staying in Naruto’s side at beginning

          And SS is selfish and remained selfish, Sakura never could understand Sasuke, her feelings were one-sided, she never thought about how Sasuke was feeling or anything like that, she merely thought he “was in pain and in the dark side”, she was naive. She didn’t had the chance to know what he was doing the things he didm his reasons. This is all thanks to Kishi bad writing. SS became an atrocious pairing because of him

          @Naruto’s awesome…
          On your other post, I’d like to say it doesnt matter if Sakura got what she wanted all along, seriously what a great heroine she turned out to be (not), her ambitions in life were to get together with one person (thats sad). What matters is how everything was written out, and SS is a bad example on how to develop a pairing.

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        Ahahaha, yeah so? Now that it actually proves that I had problems with the manga before the ending which had nothing to do with pairings even, you quickly brush it off and deflect from it and twist it back to NaruSaku and NaruHina again, right? All in the desperate attempts to make me look like it’s about pairings when it’s not.

        As for your argument: because it’s shonen it’s not an excuse for poor treatment of the female characters. As simple as that. And yes, I did admit I became softer because I said that he’ll end it on a good note. However that doesn’t mean I didn’t have problems with the manga before that were outside the pairings and that now I have only because of pairings.

        Really, it’s hilarious seeing you guys trying to make it all about pairings when it’s not? Just because you reduce it all down to pairings doesn’t mean everyone else does the same.

      peekaboo (3 years ago)

      “sole reason Hinata was pushed into the story was because of her popularity” – you do know that her character was created for Naruto – this is a fact, even before sasuke and sakura, Hinata was already conceptualized. so no, kishi wasn’t a sellout because he could’ve done the typical route of having sakura end up with naruto but no, he followed through with his original concept.

      besides, what is it with sakura loving and staying in love with sasuke that ruined her character. I don’t see anything wrong with a woman who loves someone like that , and no, don’t bring up the abusive arguments because we both know this is not true and is just some excuse used to emotionally guilt trip people into disliking sasuke and sakura’s dynamics

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        I stopped at the part of “You do know that her character was created for Naruto” because that’s the biggest bullshit – excuse my language -, I’ve ever seen to be passed around as a correct fact when it’s not and I have the very picture that says it which everyone likes to use as “proof” when it comes to this argument.

        So yes, Kishi was a sell-out.

        What is wrong with Sakura loving and staying in love with Sasuke? Lol, you even ask that question after how the manga developed? Pleease. As if it’s not clear enough but you guys like to excuse it to the depths of hell so no matter what I would say here (which I’ve said countless of times by now anyway), you’d find a way to twist it. After all, it’s the main sports of the supporters of SS dynamics. You know, those of them who refuse to actually accept that SasuSaku is damaging and poorly developed in terms of what a relationship should be – for both characters.

          narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

          “Sakura’s normal personality is her noisy inteligent self , she is annoying (like Naruto sometimes) but she is also outgoing and sometimes compassionate,she is also a closet perv and extremely competitive…when she is with Sasuke tho she never acts like this, she cant be herself. Part 1 is a big example bacause Inner Sakura exists to act as Sakura’s true personality as opposed to her fake one she uses on sasuke.”

          Part 1 Inner Sakura was just used to say things she wouldn’t say out loud, she does this not because of Sasuke, in Part 2 she does it when Sai is talking to Ino. Her personality isn’t “fake” she just isn’t going to act like she does with Naruto because she doesn’t see Naruto in a romantic way.

          “–Sasuke is not “redeemed” since he still had that long ass trip to do. I could say a thing or two about this “redempton” but this isnt the point
          Sakura brought the worst out of Sasuke because she didn’t really think of his feelings (unlike you know Naruto), for Sakura everything was about her feelings, she never tried to understand Sasuke’s actions as something out of “He is in a dark place”, which is pathethic. If Kishi wanted to properly develop SS he would have to make Sakura change, make she discover the truth about the Uchiha, make she discover Sasuke’s reasons and stop to portray her as such an example of selfish love.
          Yeah we can’t get a grasp of their relationship by 700( even though it is hinted that Sasuke spends long time away from home by Sarada) , this is one of the things I mean when I say the ending was rushed. We got a poor grasp on how things are now in the ninja world.
          “But there is part 3!!”
          Zip it!! Naruto should have standed on his own, the ending tried to be conclusive and failed terribly”

          Well to Sakura/Naruto he is but Sasuke thinks he needs to atone for his sins. She isn’t selfish if that’s where you’re getting at, this is negated when she says and I quote ” If I could take all your pain I would” in 693….

          “–Only once? Most of the early shipuuden NS hints came from Sakura side, and what did you called comedy? That time at the Tenchi bridge? That was comedy for you?
          And yes Sakura and Sasuke relationship was never as easy going and fun as the NS one”

          Nope only once in the beginning where she blushed because she thought Naruto grew and that lead to Naruto ruining her expression of him, which also lead to her hitting him -_-. Really, you think that was romantic, she feels huge guilt because she thinks that she is causing Naruto to go crazy (Even though that promise is irrelevant) heck Kabuto was the one who told her that…

          –”Every love was one sided, thats why no pairing was canon until the end. Sakura’s love for Sasuke became a character trait after Pein arc, which is a bad thing in itself,but even worse bc having a female character so fixated on a male character without a clear reason and considering the fact that this love had no development only hurt Sakura’s pride and self respect, ehich in turn made fans hate her more”

          No, it was a character trait ever since her introduction she just didn’t talk about him because he wasn’t brought up. Unlike NH/NS/SK, SS was the hardest to become canon because Sasuke was always “evil” he had to be Talk No Jutsu-ed first then he can start a relationship..

          “–NH parallalel to MK?
          Seriously? Man…”

          Yeah. Hinata/Minato is the nice shy person who likes the judgemental Uzumaki and that Uzumaki sees as werido stalker until they get to know them..

          He never stated that, he just said Sakura being like Kushina is a red herring not that MK was made to parallel NS….

          “Besides NS was more developed than NH and SS in the manga. Fact
          Tough this was all erased by the Last retccons , they made NS seem lke a shallow relationship mainly on Naruto’s side when it was never like that, since Naruto’s feelings for Sakura were extremely selfless.”

          Putting “fact” after something doesn’t make it more right. Yeah I agree with The Last because they just should have said Narudo moved ion. Naruto’s feelings for everyone was selfless not just Sakura.

          “Hinata was not able to walk on Naruto’s side, the manga said this but the last proved she wasnt able to until Naruto magically returned her feelings
          SS went from selfish love to continue being selfish love at the end of the story for reasons I already stated it. Sasuke was apathetic towards this the whole ride
          But of course Sasuke cared for Sakura even though she wasnt as important as Naruto , she was part of team seven, his second family.”

          She walked by his side the Hand Holding scene. I already stated why it wasn’t selfish, and no she didn’t love him in the beginning she had a fangirl crush which obviously developed.

          narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

          @Chatte
          LOL XD, Wipe the salt off your face. Sakura put Narudo in the friendzone because she loves someone else, you pretty much are a hypocrite you self insert as Sakura so you don’t want her to be with the “douche” or maybe you are like one of those “friends” who don’t like who your friend is dating, I can understand if you think Sasuke is ruined but Sakura isn’t she became Sauce’s wife which is what she wanted….

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @naruto’s awesome

          “Part 1 Inner Sakura was just used to say things she wouldn’t say out loud, she does this not because of Sasuke, in Part 2 she does it when Sai is talking to Ino. Her personality isn’t “fake” she just isn’t going to act like she does with Naruto because she doesn’t see Naruto in a romantic way.”

          –She does this because of Sasuke in part 1 since she can’t be herself around him, and yes in part 2 this happens in that specific scene because she wanted to see Sai calling Ino ugly and didn’t want to reveal it to anyone.
          Its simple, really, both cases she is trying to hide her true feelings about the matter.

          –Her personality with Sasuke isn’t her normal personality, Sakura should be able to be herself when she is around Sasuke, the same competent, noisy, outgoing Sakura she is with everyone else (not only with Naruto) unfortunately she was never able to be herself around him. Its widely known that romantic relationship almost end up bad if you are trying to be someone you aren’t

          “Well to Sakura/Naruto he is but Sasuke thinks he needs to atone for his sins. She isn’t selfish if that’s where you’re getting at, this is negated when she says and I quote ” If I could take all your pain I would” in 693….”

          –In first place, I think Sasuke’s goal was noble. I think this redemption was made in a half assed manner. I wanted to see Sasuke not regretting his goal but the manners he used to try to get there, this whole thing of “sins” is too general.
          Also good example by bringing up 693, the same chapter where she says she always feel pathetic when things are about him ( Great character development), where she says things regarding her own selfish feelings again not caring about what Sasuke needs to do (once again, great character development) and where she demonstrates she truly never could understand Sasuke. Its basically the same thing she did at the end of part 1. Wow such a great development (not)

          “Nope only once in the beginning where she blushed because she thought Naruto grew and that lead to Naruto ruining her expression of him, which also lead to her hitting him -_-. Really, you think that was romantic, she feels huge guilt because she thinks that she is causing Naruto to go crazy (Even though that promise is irrelevant) heck Kabuto was the one who told her that…”

          –You are forgetting what happened at the bridge? When Yamato pointed out that what she feels for Naruto might be more? Or a little before the Kyuubi 4 tails event, when Sai pointed out Sakura indeed deeply cares for Naruto? The hints are there. I respect you but I think you are a little biased on this matter

          “No, it was a character trait ever since her introduction she just didn’t talk about him because he wasn’t brought up. Unlike NH/NS/SK, SS was the hardest to become canon because Sasuke was always “evil” he had to be Talk No Jutsu-ed first then he can start a relationship..”

          –It was a character trait in fangirl Sakura, which is understandanble since she is a fangirl, Part 1 Sakura never truly demonstrated interest in Ninja related things till the end. Part 2 Sakura was apparently okay since it looked like her feelings for Sasuke or matured ( which would be good for SS ) or dissapeared, either way would be fine, the focus on romance aspects after Pein arc however deeply hurt Sakura’s character because it showed Sasuke was still her weak point even after everything and that her selfish love really didn’t change. The way it happened hurt even more the SS relationship and the story

          “Yeah. Hinata/Minato is the nice shy person who likes the judgemental Uzumaki and that Uzumaki sees as werido stalker until they get to know them..”

          –No, Minato is not shy/stalker, that was a anime filler, get your facts straight. Hinata and Minato are not alike. Minato is cool/colected character Hinata is a shy/self-concious character
          This argument came from stupid NH fans, don’t use it

          “He never stated that, he just said Sakura being like Kushina is a red herring not that MK was made to parallel NS….”

          –Kishimoto said MK was a red herring to NS, if his words are to be trusted I don’t know. Since he is known for lying. Its my opinion that he didn’t decided in the pairing till the beginning of the last production. Before this everything was fair game ( except SS, because that pairing is atrocious and shouln’t have happened) and even before this when Yahagi ( the first editor) was on the house, the story was more hinted towards NS

          “Putting “fact” after something doesn’t make it more right. Yeah I agree with The Last because they just should have said Narudo moved ion. Naruto’s feelings for everyone was selfless not just Sakura.”

          –But its indeed a fact. Their development/interaction greatly overshadows NH and SS

          “She walked by his side the Hand Holding scene. I already stated why it wasn’t selfish, and no she didn’t love him in the beginning she had a fangirl crush which obviously developed.”

          —Yeah, and look how the Last made shit of this too, Hinata obviously has difficulties about even staying in Naruto’s side at beginning

          And SS is selfish and remained selfish, Sakura never could understand Sasuke, her feelings were one-sided, she never thought about how Sasuke was feeling or anything like that, she merely thought he “was in pain and in the dark side”, she was naive. She didn’t had the chance to know what he was doing the things he didm his reasons. This is all thanks to Kishi bad writing. SS became an atrocious pairing because of him

          @Naruto’s awesome…
          On your other post, I’d like to say it doesnt matter if Sakura got what she wanted all along, seriously what a great heroine she turned out to be (not), her ambitions in life were to get together with one person (thats sad). What matters is how everything was written out, and SS is a bad example on how to develop a pairing.

          narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

          “–She does this because of Sasuke in part 1 since she can’t be herself around him, and yes in part 2 this happens in that specific scene because she wanted to see Sai calling Ino ugly and didn’t want to reveal it to anyone.
          Its simple, really, both cases she is trying to hide her true feelings about the matter.”

          Or maybe its because she has the decency to keep certain things in her mind rather than saying them and nope one of the first tiems we see Inner Self is when Kakashi comes and falls for Narudo’s prank and she pretends to scold Narudo for it but in reality she liked it (See she is nice enough not to be a bitch and say what she was thinking)

          “–Her personality with Sasuke isn’t her normal personality, Sakura should be able to be herself when she is around Sasuke, the same competent, noisy, outgoing Sakura she is with everyone else (not only with Naruto) unfortunately she was never able to be herself around him. Its widely known that romantic relationship almost end up bad if you are trying to be someone you aren’t”

          She is the same, she only acts that way in non serious situations. The whole War was very serious she is more mature than Naruto so don’t bring him up…..

          “–In first place, I think Sasuke’s goal was noble. I think this redemption was made in a half assed manner. I wanted to see Sasuke not regretting his goal but the manners he used to try to get there, this whole thing of “sins” is too general.
          Also good example by bringing up 693, the same chapter where she says she always feel pathetic when things are about him ( Great character development), where she says things regarding her own selfish feelings again not caring about what Sasuke needs to do (once again, great character development) and where she demonstrates she truly never could understand Sasuke. Its basically the same thing she did at the end of part 1. Wow such a great development (not)”

          He admits that he committed sins and it is obvious that he regrets his means NOT his ends. Sigh, she says she’s pathetic because she can’t do anything to stop him, Naruto/Sasuke are gods did you want her to rush and attack him (That would be retarded) so she makes an attempt to stop it by placing hope that confessing love to him will stop him (In this regard she is like PTS Naruto who thought that all Sasuke needed was friendship and he would be fine) it makes him shake so she accomplished something but changing Sasuke was completely up to Naruto.

          “–You are forgetting what happened at the bridge? When Yamato pointed out that what she feels for Naruto might be more? Or a little before the Kyuubi 4 tails event, when Sai pointed out Sakura indeed deeply cares for Naruto? The hints are there. I respect you but I think you are a little biased on this matter”

          Nope I am not biased. Yamato pointing something out was complete trolling done by Kishi as Yamato knows NOTHING about Sakura. Yes Sakura cares for Naruto its obvious your job was to provide evidence for this so called romantic development

          –”It was a character trait in fangirl Sakura, which is understandanble since she is a fangirl, Part 1 Sakura never truly demonstrated interest in Ninja related things till the end. Part 2 Sakura was apparently okay since it looked like her feelings for Sasuke or matured ( which would be good for SS ) or dissapeared, either way would be fine, the focus on romance aspects after Pein arc however deeply hurt Sakura’s character because it showed Sasuke was still her weak point even after everything and that her selfish love really didn’t change. The way it happened hurt even more the SS relationship and the story”

          Kishi didn’t focus on Sakura’s POV it was always Naruto which is why he is always the one thinking about Sasuke. You think that if she was asked about her feelings she would think of Naruto?

          –”No, Minato is not shy/stalker, that was a anime filler, get your facts straight. Hinata and Minato are not alike. Minato is cool/colected character Hinata is a shy/self-concious character
          This argument came from stupid NH fans, don’t use it”

          That doesn’t negate that he still resembles Hinata a lot, you conveniently left out Naruto/Kushina for some reason……..

          “–Kishimoto said MK was a red herring to NS, if his words are to be trusted I don’t know. Since he is known for lying. Its my opinion that he didn’t decided in the pairing till the beginning of the last production. Before this everything was fair game ( except SS, because that pairing is atrocious and shouln’t have happened) and even before this when Yahagi ( the first editor) was on the house, the story was more hinted towards NS”

          The manga wasnt hinted towards NS before Yahagi left, see this is what you don’t understand, NS where together more than NH/SS which means they interact much more you still fail to give me romantic development….

          –But its indeed a fact. Their development/interaction greatly overshadows NH and SS”

          No NS interaction was more than NH/SS but that doesn’t mean it overshadows them, SS had more meaningful moments and so does NH.

          “—Yeah, and look how the Last made shit of this too, Hinata obviously has difficulties about even staying in Naruto’s side at beginning

          “And SS is selfish and remained selfish, Sakura never could understand Sasuke, her feelings were one-sided, she never thought about how Sasuke was feeling or anything like that, she merely thought he “was in pain and in the dark side”, she was naive. She didn’t had the chance to know what he was doing the things he didm his reasons. This is all thanks to Kishi bad writing. SS became an atrocious pairing because of him”

          Eh SS was not an atrocious paring you just needed to understand the context of them and the characters…….

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Naruto’s awesome

          “Or maybe its because she has the decency to keep certain things in her mind rather than saying them and nope one of the first tiems we see Inner Self is when Kakashi comes and falls for Narudo’s prank and she pretends to scold Narudo for it but in reality she liked it (See she is nice enough not to be a bitch and say what she was thinking)”

          –Not this case, why do you think Inner disappeared back at part 2? Because sakura could act more like she truly is. In the first kakashi scene she probably didn’t act on her true feelings because Sasuke was there, fangirl Sakura is like that

          “She is the same, she only acts that way in non serious situations. The whole War was very serious she is more mature than Naruto so don’t bring him up…..”

          –Being mature isn’t really a part of Sakura’s original core personality in part 2 (and you can’t really count fights since even Naruto acts “mature” in some of them) granted she could develop into this and I hoped she did, but in fact I would say she is still very immature if we go by chapter 693 which is basically a copy from her selfish confession from part 1 and others chapters from the war saga where she constantly lets herself be put down by Sasuke.
          And if you are really think Sakura’s normal personality is the same one we see when Sasuke is in scene with her, then you need to re-read the manga.

          “He admits that he committed sins and it is obvious that he regrets his means NOT his ends. Sigh, she says she’s pathetic because she can’t do anything to stop him, Naruto/Sasuke are gods did you want her to rush and attack him (That would be retarded) so she makes an attempt to stop it by placing hope that confessing love to him will stop him (In this regard she is like PTS Naruto who thought that all Sasuke needed was friendship and he would be fine) it makes him shake so she accomplished something but changing Sasuke was completely up to Naruto.”

          –Its not obvious, we never got a closure on Sasuke’s goals
          Yeah indeed she cant do anything even after promising herself this on the end of part 1, ultimately sakura couldn’t do anything again, such great development (not)
          Attack him? no , I mean at least stand up for yourself once Sakura, don’t let Sasuke bring you down every single time but no instead of blossoming, she wilts. She tried “using her love” on part 1 didn’t work, kishi was dumb enough to make her try this again even after she had no deep interaction with sasuke in part 2, such great author (not). it does not make him shake, it makes him do a illusion where he kills her so she can’t nag behind their backs while they fight.
          Yeah, since Naruto was his only bond left…

          “Nope I am not biased. Yamato pointing something out was complete trolling done by Kishi as Yamato knows NOTHING about Sakura. Yes Sakura cares for Naruto its obvious your job was to provide evidence for this so called romantic development”

          In hindsight, you/we are not supposed to take this way once we are reading that chapter for the first time, its obviously set up for some kind of revelation, besides if Yamato and Sai knows nothing about Naruto and Sakura ( even if these guys are ninja AKA observant people) why kishimoto felt the need to put this on to paper? Its not trolling since at that time the story wasnt’t that clusterfucked, full asspulls and actually had a decent editor (Yahagi)
          The true answer is… to set up a NS moment obviously, wether it just a simple pairing tease or a more genuine one because at this time even if kishi had no pairing chosen he was was actually focusing more on NS (as we saw in early part 2) .
          Trying to disconsider this as trolling is an act of being biased sorry.

          “Kishi didn’t focus on Sakura’s POV it was always Naruto which is why he is always the one thinking about Sasuke. You think that if she was asked about her feelings she would think of Naruto?”

          –One of the main problems of the story, lack of a Sakura POV and lack of a character arc even if she was a MC, fact.
          Well if it is known that if she still demonstrated that she kept that selfish affection for sasuke earlier in part 2 then I’d assure she would lose a good part of her newfound fans due to her early actions in part 2 (except the SS ones but since they are more fans of the pairing than of the character…)
          That love-nin letter scene was put there so it could be used as filler material for the anime team (he said this in the interview). Kishimoto could only use sakura thinking of Sasuke since if she thought of Naruto, then NS would be pratically canon and the statuos quo of the ships making kishimoto lose a part of his shipping teases

          “That doesn’t negate that he still resembles Hinata a lot, you conveniently left out Naruto/Kushina for some reason……..”

          –He doesnt, this was never stated by anyone, in universe or out of Naruto’s universe, its just a deep illusion some NH fans casted over themselves, Hinata is not collected/confident /cool. Minato is not shy/awkward/passive
          Naruto and kushina are alike, even Tsunade said so, but this doesnt change the fact kushina asked for Naruto to find a girl like her ,or the fact that Minakushi early relçationship resembled Naruto and Sakura in their childhood since Kushina thought very little of Minato
          Even if NS and MK connecton was ultimately meant to somehow fool the reader, it was still intended to be a connection and NH just doesnt have one

          “The manga wasnt hinted towards NS before Yahagi left, see this is what you don’t understand, NS where together more than NH/SS which means they interact much more you still fail to give me romantic development….”

          — Just read early part 2 and tell me what you think.
          NS relationship developed from dislike (Sakura’s part) – adoration (Naruto’s part) to an important friendship, we see hints on part 1 that Sakura indeed cares for Naruto and this is overly amplified in part 2.
          Most of the pairings interactions can be considered platonic in one side due to their one sided aspect, NS is the one who can be less considered like that because naruto’s feelings are known and Sakura’s feelings received many hints.
          Of course all of this development meant nothing and kishi brushed off as “rivalry” which damaged the aspect of selflessness in Naruto’s character tremenduosly

          “No NS interaction was more than NH/SS but that doesn’t mean it overshadows them, SS had more meaningful moments and so does NH.”

          –SS meaningful moments? You must mean the part 1 ones maybe, this pairing had actually an understandable set up there, part 2 ruined everything for this pairing and made it look like an atrocious piece of work. I mean you couldn’t be talking about the times Sakura tried to kill Sasuke out of her own feelings? or her second selfish confession? Or even how pathetic she looked when she never managed to hold her own against the sauce

          —NH meaningful moments? They had some I guess (nothing compared to NS tho), but guess what the Last made all of them platonic since Naruto never had feelings of love for Hinata during the manga run, he just begins to notice her because of the genjutsu

          –NS was also ruined because of rivalry thing, but considering only the manga their meaningful moments greatly overshadows NH and SS, they are present in the Gaara’s rescue arc, Sasuke’s rescue arc, Pein arc, even in the horrible KS summit arc. You can’t also consider their moments platonic interactions between friends because not only this was agasint kishimoto intentions 9If his words are to be believed) but Sakura’s feelings were the ones who received most focus on regards to changing, specially in early part 2

          “Eh SS was not an atrocious paring you just needed to understand the context of them and the characters…….”

          –What context? ” A woman can never change out of their first love” (LOL) , “You should remain patient and handle all the abuse (verbal and physical) your loved one throws at you, he is just in a dark place, he will come back…eventuall” (LOL)

          What great messages. Kishi didn’t care for SS, thats why he wasnt bothered in developing them and Sakura love remained the same way, not only she was never able to empathize with Sasuke during the manga, but her reasons for her obsession were never given a big explanation but also the so called transition between “crushing on him” and apparently “loving him” was very badly done, so much that it was a point of fan debate for years.
          No matter how you look, canon SS is a result of bad writing.

          NH is a little better, their onyl mistake is the underdevelopment and the last since the movie is horrible and destroys pre-existent character traits only so a pairing could happen

        narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

        “–Not this case, why do you think Inner disappeared back at part 2? Because sakura could act more like she truly is. In the first kakashi scene she probably didn’t act on her true feelings because Sasuke was there, fangirl Sakura is like that”

        You’re going to put this on Sasuke really? Kakashi her new Sensei fell for one of Naruto’s pranks and she didn’t laugh because that would be disrespectful, you’re just trying to tie Inner Sakura to Sasuke..

        “–Being mature isn’t really a part of Sakura’s original core personality in part 2 (and you can’t really count fights since even Naruto acts “mature” in some of them) granted she could develop into this and I hoped she did, but in fact I would say she is still very immature if we go by chapter 693 which is basically a copy from her selfish confession from part 1 and others chapters from the war saga where she constantly lets herself be put down by Sasuke.
        And if you are really think Sakura’s normal personality is the same one we see when Sasuke is in scene with her, then you need to re-read the manga.”

        Naruto pulled a sexy jutsu on a god. Sakura blushed and got a bloody nose why wouldn’t she try to hide that since Sasuke is there? Sakura is more gentle with Sasuke then she is with Naruto, of course she isn’t going to be the same like with Naruto..

        –Its not obvious, we never got a closure on Sasuke’s goals
        Yeah indeed she cant do anything even after promising herself this on the end of part 1, ultimately sakura couldn’t do anything again, such great development (not)
        Attack him? no , I mean at least stand up for yourself once Sakura, don’t let Sasuke bring you down every single time but no instead of blossoming, she wilts. She tried “using her love” on part 1 didn’t work, kishi was dumb enough to make her try this again even after she had no deep interaction with sasuke in part 2, such great author (not). it does not make him shake, it makes him do a illusion where he kills her so she can’t nag behind their backs while they fight.
        Yeah, since Naruto was his only bond left…

        Naruto/Sasuke are both gods what do you want her to do. Let me ask you something if Sakura’s love confession got to Sasuke and the Final Fight was stopped would you be happy? True she didn’t have great interaction with Sasuke but she like Naruto held onto the hope that the old Sasuke is still there and she knows she holds a place in Sasuke because she always thinks of that “Thank You” scene with him…

        “In hindsight, you/we are not supposed to take this way once we are reading that chapter for the first time, its obviously set up for some kind of revelation, besides if Yamato and Sai knows nothing about Naruto and Sakura ( even if these guys are ninja AKA observant people) why kishimoto felt the need to put this on to paper? Its not trolling since at that time the story wasnt’t that clusterfucked, full asspulls and actually had a decent editor (Yahagi)
        The true answer is… to set up a NS moment obviously, wether it just a simple pairing tease or a more genuine one because at this time even if kishi had no pairing chosen he was was actually focusing more on NS (as we saw in early part 2) .
        Trying to disconsider this as trolling is an act of being biased sorry.”

        They don’t know about Sakura’s feelings about Sasuke when they are introduced. No it wasn’t it was complete teasing done by Kishi just like that scene with Suigetsu/Karin about Sasuke..

        “–One of the main problems of the story, lack of a Sakura POV and lack of a character arc even if she was a MC, fact.
        Well if it is known that if she still demonstrated that she kept that selfish affection for sasuke earlier in part 2 then I’d assure she would lose a good part of her newfound fans due to her early actions in part 2 (except the SS ones but since they are more fans of the pairing than of the character…)
        That love-nin letter scene was put there so it could be used as filler material for the anime team (he said this in the interview). Kishimoto could only use sakura thinking of Sasuke since if she thought of Naruto, then NS would be pratically canon and the statuos quo of the ships making kishimoto lose a part of his shipping teases”

        No it doesn’t matter about her “fans” it matters about what Kishi wants to do. SS is the most popular hetero paring why would she lose any fans over that. You seem to be like Chatte by blaming SS over Sakura’s unpopularaity when in reality its that she had one bullshit fight, is useless for a MAIN, constant crying… That doesn’t mean anything, its still there to reaffirm that she still has feelings for him. That’s a dumb excuse for her not thinking about Naruto, if Sasuke wasn’t evil SS would be practically canon, if Naruto wasn’t dense in love NH would be practically canon, if Sasuke had feelings for Karin SK would be practically canon….

        “— Just read early part 2 and tell me what you think.
        NS relationship developed from dislike (Sakura’s part) – adoration (Naruto’s part) to an important friendship, we see hints on part 1 that Sakura indeed cares for Naruto and this is overly amplified in part 2.
        Most of the pairings interactions can be considered platonic in one side due to their one sided aspect, NS is the one who can be less considered like that because naruto’s feelings are known and Sakura’s feelings received many hints.
        Of course all of this development meant nothing and kishi brushed off as “rivalry” which damaged the aspect of selflessness in Naruto’s character tremenduosly”

        You say Sakrua’s feelings receive “many” hints even though you fail to state these “feelings”.

        “SS meaningful moments? You must mean the part 1 ones maybe, this pairing had actually an understandable set up there, part 2 ruined everything for this pairing and made it look like an atrocious piece of work. I mean you couldn’t be talking about the times Sakura tried to kill Sasuke out of her own feelings? or her second selfish confession? Or even how pathetic she looked when she never managed to hold her own against the sauce”

        Part 2 didn’t ruin “everything”.

        —NH meaningful moments? They had some I guess (nothing compared to NS tho), but guess what the Last made all of them platonic since Naruto never had feelings of love for Hinata during the manga run, he just begins to notice her because of the genjutsu”

        Don’t care for NH so won’t bother to defend it, I agree the Last sucked…

        –”NS was also ruined because of rivalry thing, but considering only the manga their meaningful moments greatly overshadows NH and SS, they are present in the Gaara’s rescue arc, Sasuke’s rescue arc, Pein arc, even in the horrible KS summit arc. You can’t also consider their moments platonic interactions between friends because not only this was agasint kishimoto intentions 9If his words are to be believed) but Sakura’s feelings were the ones who received most focus on regards to changing, specially in early part 2″

        The Thank you scene between SS means more than any moment NS had so yeah…. KS Summit wasn’t bad you just consider it bad because it destroyed NS….

        “Eh SS was not an atrocious paring you just needed to understand the context of them and the characters…….”

        –”What context? ” A woman can never change out of their first love” (LOL) , “You should remain patient and handle all the abuse (verbal and physical) your loved one throws at you, he is just in a dark place, he will come back…eventuall” (LOL)”

        Kishi never stated that, The Last said when a “girl falls in love those feelings are hard to change” of course this applies to boys too (Obito XD) but Sakura is talking about Hinata and her..SS isn’t abusive, TBH what excuses Sakura insulting Naruto not having parents but Sasuke saying that she can’t do anything against a god is somehow abusive…

        What great messages. Kishi didn’t care for SS, thats why he wasnt bothered in developing them and Sakura love remained the same way, not only she was never able to empathize with Sasuke during the manga, but her reasons for her obsession were never given a big explanation but also the so called transition between “crushing on him” and apparently “loving him” was very badly done, so much that it was a point of fan debate for years.
        No matter how you look, canon SS is a result of bad writing.”

        Eh SS isn’t perfect, I defend it since it has one of my favorite characters in it and it was the one of the only ship I cared since all my other ship were ruined….

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @naruto’s awesome
          “You’re going to put this on Sasuke really? Kakashi her new Sensei fell for one of Naruto’s pranks and she didn’t laugh because that would be disrespectful, you’re just trying to tie Inner Sakura to Sasuke..”

          –I’m not putting this on Sasuke, but on Sakura. She hides her true intentions when she is around him in part 1, Inner Sakura is not “Sasuke fault” per see but is a means tp hide Sakura’s true personality from Sasuke in hopes that she can make herself look more dignified
          Just look at the chapter where Inner Sakura is cheering on Naruto’s prank but Sakura is scolding it even before Kakashi enters the room? She is doing this in hopes she can look more dignified and mature

          “Naruto pulled a sexy jutsu on a god. Sakura blushed and got a bloody nose why wouldn’t she try to hide that since Sasuke is there? Sakura is more gentle with Sasuke then she is with Naruto, of course she isn’t going to be the same like with Naruto..”

          –You get isolated moments and hopes to build an argument? In most of his fights Naruto was serious, futhermore that whole fight with kaguya was a joke. I also don’t see how Sakura’s reaction to the unexpected jutsu can help you here since it was an understandable reaction from her part to the unexpected event that happened
          Sakura is gentle with everybody, even Naruto (tsundere), with sasuke she acts submissive and weak willed, things she definetely isn’t

          “Naruto/Sasuke are both gods what do you want her to do. Let me ask you something if Sakura’s love confession got to Sasuke and the Final Fight was stopped would you be happy? True she didn’t have great interaction with Sasuke but she like Naruto held onto the hope that the old Sasuke is still there and she knows she holds a place in Sasuke because she always thinks of that “Thank You” scene with him…”

          –I want her to stand up to Sasuke, I know sh eis weak compared to him but what the hell, just because of this she should wilt and die at his feet?
          Sakura’s selfish confession wouldn’t get through Sasuke because he never felt anything more than friendship towards her until the ending , her confession it was just a dumb way to “repeat story” used by the author but ended up destroying part of Sakura’s development.
          Only SS fans think the “thank you” scene is considered romantic,LOL then I guess the NS thank you scene in 450 should have made NS canon. I mean “thank you” is not “I love you”, its an expression of gratitude, the thank you scene didn’t show Sasuke had feelings for Sakura, it showed he had gratitude for her because she cared for him (like the rest of team 7)

          “They don’t know about Sakura’s feelings about Sasuke when they are introduced. No it wasn’t it was complete teasing done by Kishi just like that scene with Suigetsu/Karin about Sasuke..”

          –Sakura feelings for Sasuke don’t interfere in her feelings for Naruto (especially because at that time she still didn’t showed she retained that selfish love she had for him in part 1 ), its perfectly normal to love one person but begin to look at another person wih the same love,. Soo yeah your argument is weak, that scene existed to show that Sakura’s feelings for Naruto weren’t maybe those she would have gfor a normal teammate

          “No it doesn’t matter about her “fans” it matters about what Kishi wants to do. SS is the most popular hetero paring why would she lose any fans over that. You seem to be like Chatte by blaming SS over Sakura’s unpopularaity when in reality its that she had one bullshit fight, is useless for a MAIN, constant crying… That doesn’t mean anything, its still there to reaffirm that she still has feelings for him. That’s a dumb excuse for her not thinking about Naruto, if Sasuke wasn’t evil SS would be practically canon, if Naruto wasn’t dense in love NH would be practically canon, if Sasuke had feelings for Karin SK would be practically canon….”

          –Read the interview, Kishi didn’t know what to do with Sakura because he got the impression fans didn’t like her, his answer was to try to draw her in a more pretty manner
          SS is bad for Sakura’s character man, if it was properly developed it wouldn’t be bad, but canon SS is horrible for her character. I already said and gave example of this multiple times.
          WTF, even in part 1 when Sasuke wasnt “evil” he didn’t had special feelings for Sakura, besides his role in part 2 was that of anti hero, he became a little evil thanks to the curse of hatred in KS arc but after this he truly became an anti hero with a justifiable motive.
          Also its not excuse, its a fact, the love letter nin was made to bring thorugh filler scene so it shouldn’t be important at all., kishi himself said, not me.

          “You say Sakrua’s feelings receive “many” hints even though you fail to state these “feelings”.”

          –Just read ending of part 1 and early part 2 with a unbiased mind, you will see the clear hints

          “Part 2 didn’t ruin “everything”.”

          –For SS it did, I already gave examples of why his happened multiple times

          “Don’t care for NH so won’t bother to defend it, I agree the Last sucked…”

          –At least this…

          “The Thank you scene between SS means more than any moment NS had so yeah…. KS Summit wasn’t bad you just consider it bad because it destroyed NS….”

          I can easily give you the promise of lifetime and the bridge scene on part 2, they are superior to the thank you/confession scene because they were selfless in nature unlike Sakura’s selfish confession. Sasuke’s thank you was not “I love you”, thank you means gratitude

          “Kishi never stated that, The Last said when a “girl falls in love those feelings are hard to change” of course this applies to boys too (Obito XD) but Sakura is talking about Hinata and her..SS isn’t abusive, TBH what excuses Sakura insulting Naruto not having parents but Sasuke saying that she can’t do anything against a god is somehow abusive…”

          –If he meant boys too he should have changed the phrase to ” if a person falls in love once…”.
          SS is abusive, already said this multiple times, its more because there is no sense of equality in the relationship
          Sakura was a bratty child, she was reflecting how everyone treated Naruto, eventually she got to know him and became his dear friend, so yeah this argument was weak

          “Eh SS isn’t perfect, I defend it since it has one of my favorite characters in it and it was the one of the only ship I cared since all my other ship were ruined…”

          –SS was bad for the story, I care for the story in first place unlike you who I think cares more for the pairing thanks to this statement. So yeah SS wasn’t good in any manner to the plot of the manga the way it was done and thus I criticize it.

        kanie (2 years ago)

        I’m sorry i’m late to reply to this, but even some of the naruto fandom who support ss and nh agree that kishi created sakura as the heroine, you can read it here
        http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:164031

        i think this is fake because its wikia, anyone could write something to make sakura look bad, but people have to come to realization that sakura was the heroine and kishi was going to end it with NS. why is that, because of the parallel and developments. Kishi is in experienced and is terrible when it comes to writing female parts he said it countless times. If the writers didnt tell him to draw more characters NS still would have been an end game because kishi wasn’t thinking about hinata, matter fact it was neji he thought of and through neji came hinata, so in fact hinata was useless and irrelevant from the start.

        Kishi could have easily made sakura shine so many times, but he was so focus on naruto and his mission and naruto and his relationship with sasuke that he didnt realize he was slacking of on sakura character.It wasn’t until sasuke turn to the dark side that he started to develop her more and turn her into a bad ass. The fact is kishi made the people hate sakura, why because of naruto feelings. everyone sympathies with him when she kept rejecting him, and they hated her more when naruto would almost die trying to protect her. because people could see and feel his pain, they despise sakura. even when kishi showed how much shes grown and changed they still couldn’t forgive her.

        so to take matters into their own hands, they decided to look for a girl that wouldn’t hurt him which was hinata, they didnt care that she was useless. they only cared that she liked naruto and had big boobs and came from the third powerful clan. so they automatically assume she would be strong, but as kishi pointed out so many times in his drawing she is weaker than sakura. even when she uses her eyes to fight, neji could easily beat her, even her own sister.

        because of kishi bad writing when it comes to female heroine, he mad sakura become more hated, especially when he made her confess that she loves naruto. which in fact i think is half true. like kishi said sakura represent a normal person that’s suppose to make people relate to her, for instance she cant be true to herself when shes around the boy she likes, which a lot of girls do in real life.

        but she can be herself around the boy that makes her go crazy, which is naruto. which in real life people end up doing as well, us females change quickly, especially when we are in a conflict. so making half of the chapter revolving around naruto and sakura traveling and getting closer would definitely stir up something on both parties. especially sakuras part since shes know where near sasuke and its been so long she’s seen him. anyway, back to the confession, yeah i think she was in conflict with herself, and i feel like if kishi would have elaborate how she felt than, than everyone would have known that she also harbor feelings for naruto, but is just confused.

        after all shes suppose to represent something that’s real, kishi could have easily ended sakura hatred from others by making her come to term with her feeling for naruto when she almost thought he was dead. matter fact i think he did, but in a weird way, i remember in yuyu hakusho when keiko thought yuska was dead, and she i believe had to go and save his body from the fire in his house. she kept calling yuska name, crying and saying i have to save him, she didnt say how she felt, but we could all see it by her expression and worry and also by the flashback she had with him. what about when orihime and rukia had a moment when they thought ichigo died, they also through expression said all that we wanted to hear and they went into flashback.

        and lets not forget ms karu from ken-shin, who is also a tsundera ( sorry if i spelled it wrong) like sakura, showed the same kind of expression sakura did and went into memory lane. funny how hinata didnt and just used words at the last minute to confess, which i believe was selfish. I still don’t see why people say it was a harmless confession, when it clearly wasn’t.

        so kishi had all this time to make hinata a heroine, but he didnt. he could have because he had the power to, but he didnt. just like how he could have develop sakura strength and character and shape her up into a bad-ass, but he didnt. why, because he was lost he didnt know what he was doing. all of his ideas were getting rejected and to make matters worse, the sakura character he likes which was baste of, of his wife was hated. and with peer-pressure and influence from a popularity poll he ruined a beautiful character that could have been a bad-ass once again, and made her switch roles with hinata, for money.

Anonymous (3 years ago)

I call bullshit on this “popularity thing” Earlier Kishimoto said that a majority of fans in Japan supported sakura as a main heroine AND supported Naruto and Sakura together. And now he comes up with this stupid shit! I still can’t even get the fact that Naruto is no longer a sober steady character!! Not to mention the whole bond of team 7 is stripped!

    Anonymous (3 years ago)

    “Dear Amy, such information can be found on the internet, therefore the rest of your statement is nothing but words in the wind showing how much you’re here to discuss about the matter at hand and how much you’re here for… other purposes. Have a good day!”

    So you can’t provide a source? If your so certain about your claims, then back them up.

      Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

      Oh but I can. Just because you guys are lazy asses or don’t know how to find them, doesn’t mean they’re not there. ;) What you don’t want to understand is that I’m not here to argue with you, you’re here trying to argue with me. I have nothing to prove to you.

Orenji (3 years ago)

Its not only Sakura that was mistreated in the end even Naruto was replaced by Sasuke as the hero of the story, Sasuke is the one giving the closure ending monologue in chapter 699 and Sasuke marries the heroine and gets a happy ending where all his criminal murderous actions didn’t have any consequences he get’s a free out of jail card and lives happily ever after traveling the world, and Naruto doesn’t even look happy even if he is the hokage the title seems unimportant when all the ninja world is at peace also how come Naruto cant spend any time with his son he looks like some deadbeat dad that I dont recognize anymore as the hero of the story.

    narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

    WOW out of 700 chapters Sasuke gets one, he has to talk about how he changed his mind, did you want Narudo talking about how he saved his friends really?
    Sasuke’s crimes pale in comparison to Gaara whom is the Kazakage. Both Naruto and Sasuke are happy why wouldn’t Naruto be. And Sakura wanted Sasuke not the other way around it would make sense if Sasuke/Naruto liked Sakura and they fought for her but that wasn’t the case.

      Guy (3 years ago)

      The chapter 699 hurt the story.

      Sasuke’s monologue was not needed. it was one of the last chapters. It should have showed Naruto’s ( AKA the MC) reflections on his adventures and how he sees the future. or better yet, why not show both Naruto and Sasuke thinking about this?

      Instead we got some vague psychological BS
      that makes kind of no sense in hindsight

      The characters are probably happy because the history said so. But I have a hard time believing Sasuke is happy when the manga offered no clarification on what his goals actually are or if konoha showed everyone the truth about the Uchiha
      And even Naruto, by the way he acted in 700, I don’t know if he’s the same person we met in the first chapter, he seems quite somber and harsh. I expected Naruto to mature but never to this degree…it also looks like he lost his trademark ability of empathy

      But even if “everyone is happy” the technical and obvious flaws of this ending cannot be excused

        Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

        “Sasuke’s monologue was not needed. it was one of the last chapters.”

        Since the majority if not the entire story since Part 1 was about redeeming Sasuke and change him back to a good guy + Sasuke was the second most important character after Naruto himself it was oblivious that Sasuke will need to express one final time his feelings.

        Also, it was still a 16 pages long chapter and since we had to see Team Seven reunion + releasing the MT + releasing the Bijuus + releasing Samui and Atsui + Neji’s funeral and other stuff even without Sasuke’s monolouge it would be still the same.

        “if konoha showed everyone the truth about the Uchiha”

        I think it was oblivious that they didn’t told the truth to the villagers.

        Think about it, why Itachi asked Naruto to never reveal it aside of the name of Uchihas?

        Because if it would be revealed that one of the four noble clan was technicaly exterminated by the village the other three noble clans and those who are connected to the Uchihas somehow will continue what the Uchihas tried.

        “But even if “everyone is happy” the technical and obvious flaws of this ending cannot be excused”

        Maybe because there should be at least 2 or 3 entire arcs to answer everything and not wanting answers for 1000000 questions and sub-plots from 32 pages aka 2 chapters.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          – Yeah, we already entered Sasuke’s thoughts in 698, 699 could be used for a kind of banter between Naruto and Sasuke’s narration or Naruto’s reflecting on his choices. It seems more fitting to me

          –the multitude of things that nedeed to be showed just reveals that it was not possible to finish the story (not rushing) in only 5 chapters after 695.

          –Itachi was a konoha supporter so he is biased. By all meanings the truth had to be revealed and the ones behind such acts should have received trial. The ninja system should have been changed/ brought to extinction, because with it the way it is, peace between villages is almost impossible. That was kishimoto mistake, he added serious themes to his story and ended it in a simple way

          –You are exaggerating. 2 or 3 arcs is too much.
          Its my personal belief that the story could have ended kind of “properly” at least on 703/704/705

        narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

        “Sasuke’s monologue was not needed. it was one of the last chapters. It should have showed Naruto’s ( AKA the MC) reflections on his adventures and how he sees the future. or better yet, why not show both Naruto and Sasuke thinking about this?”

        Yeah it was, you know how much people would bitch about it, he changed from being fully convicted into his ideas to embracing Naruto’s, you don’t want insight on this? Naruto talking about his frieds and goals would be very redundant as he spoke this shit for 700 chapters, his Hokage goal is shown in 700 but I will give you a point that I would have liked to see his ceremony (Its probably going to be in Part 3)

        “Instead we got some vague psychological BS
        that makes kind of no sense in hindsight”

        It did make sense, we see that Sasuke changes and realizes what he would have destroyed and how other people aren’t as amazing as Naruto…..

        “The characters are probably happy because the history said so. But I have a hard time believing Sasuke is happy when the manga offered no clarification on what his goals actually are or if konoha showed everyone the truth about the Uchiha
        And even Naruto, by the way he acted in 700, I don’t know if he’s the same person we met in the first chapter, he seems quite somber and harsh. I expected Naruto to mature but never to this degree…it also looks like he lost his trademark ability of empathy”

        Sasuke has a loving wife and a daughter whom he “sensed” when she was talking about him, i’m pretty sure he’s happy , if Sasuke doesn’t affection you will think he isn’t happy but if he does show affection you would think he’s OOC. Naruto just got his job as a Hokage which is why Bolt is being a brat because he isn’t used to it besides its obvious plot point in Part 3 that i’m looking forward too :D

        “But even if “everyone is happy” the technical and obvious flaws of this ending cannot be excused”

        The ending was fine no matter WHAT Kishi did he would get bashed if he made NS/SK canon he would get shit from NH/SS and vice versa. 699 was great and 700 showed us everyone (Though there are some crack parings that suck). Kishi obviously didn’t reveal Taka, Orochimaru, and Kabuto because they will be in Part 3, that’s like him revealing Pain in the end of Part 1….

          Guy (3 years ago)

          –Nope man, we already entered Sasuke’s head and thoughs back in 698. 699 was somekind of vague psychological BS that made kind of no sense in hindsight.
          Showing how Naruto’s charcter matured and his new way to the future would be better for 699, or better yet, alternate between Naruto and Sasuke’s narration as I said before

          –It made no sense at all. I re-read time and time again and didn’t saw anything on what he said that could fit it on the themes the story proposed. It lacked objective.
          It might appeal to the emotional side of some people but objectively speaking his monologue didn’t reveal much

          –That “sense” thing is BS, really. Some people theorized it was a new villain for example. There is no way to know what it was actually
          when did I say that Sasuke showing affection is OOC? I don’t remeber this. I just have a hard time thinking he is happy when his ultimate goals from the history had not a proper closure and he was suddenly lumped with someone whom he never showed any feelings. But hey its the end of everything so yeah of course he is happy….maybe…I just have a hard time believeing because Kishimoto made things difficult, its also fair to say he doesnt spend much time home since Sarada can simpathyze with Bolt’s feelings of neglect

          — I’d say Naruto didn’t just became hokage since there are proofs that Bolt’s behavior has became a normal thing ( ex: Konohamaru saying ” Bolt at it again” ) So even if he wasnt hokage he was certainly busy before
          Bolt is not really being a brat, parental neglect is no funny thing. Bolt is just acting because he wants attention from his father who then tells him to “endure it”. Naruto the boy who suffered the same problem when he was small simply told his son to endure, such a great father he is (not)
          Its obvious Part 3 will focus on dad issues, a cheap way because it had to make Naruto’s character different for this to happen

          In fact Naruto catchphrase should change from “believe it” to “Endure it”

          –The pairings were part of the problem, yes, but even without them, the ending was not FINE. It felt rushed and lacking. You could say “Part 3 will complete it” but I say no, the “Naruto” saga is over and it should have standed on its own. The ending showed disinterest from the author seeing from the clear art mistakes and didn’t bothered on explaining key details on how everything is now
          As I said before Kishi made Naruto a complex story and tried to give a simple ending to it
          Lame

Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

Didn’t you said that you don’t care neither Naruto and Kishimoto?

Also Kishimoto already told in 2009-2010 that he felt that even Hinata would be much more heroine like than Sakura so you are in contradiction.

Sure he promised after that comment that he will try to make Sakura more heroine like so bad that in order to do this he needed to give Sakura an asspull power up from nowhere with neither foreshadowing nor hints + removing Hinata from the way in the most stupidest was he could despite he forgot that Hinata in chapter 526 saved Neji’s asses.

“Never again I will trust an author nor this industry… Especially in terms of Japanese manga.”

GEEZ, YOU ARE OVERREACTING!

Did you ever heard about Naoki Urasawa and Inoue Kazurou? They are not only the best mangakas but they are the proof that even no rich and no famous mangakas can blackmail publishers and animators if they are not allowed what they wanted.

Just read some mangas from them like Ai Kora, Monster, 20th Century Boys and other masterpieces!

“The market is ran by otakus and every story has the potential to be ruined the way Naruto was ruined and I don’t wanna invest in something as such.”

It is a known fact that the most famous and most loved anime females among otakus are Rie Kugimiya Tsundere-loli girls like Aria and Louise. What do you say, why did Miyazaki said lolicons? Because they have the body of child.

And you know despite you wrotte in the title “I regret being a Sakura fan” you only bashing Hinata who had nothing to do with Sakura.

“But of course you’d do… after all you’ve got what you wanted, right? What does it matter how you did it?”

Whom the fuck are you talking to? The Naruto and Hinata fans?

Sorry, but as I saw forums and tumblrs I have a feeling that no matter what they would say or how did they do that you (and people like James Cassidy) wouldn’t accept any explanations and I think it can be called as fact.

“Because yes, that’s what Hinata Hyuga has gotten to be used for… as nothing more than a more submissive and moe character that does nothing but revolve around the existence of her love interest while she’s drawn like the aforementioned… because Sakura Haruno wasn’t that.”

Sure, Haruno Sakura wasn’t a moe character. That’s why she had flat-chests like a child, huge green eyes like a child, childish behaviors like a child and the most important the legendary moe-tsundere-loli hair. Sure she wasn’t.

Also, who saved Neji’s life in chapter 526? Who did gave Kiba omniment when he was injuried? Why didn’t Hinata cheered for Naruto when he was fightning againts Kiba? Why did Hinata rejected Naruto’s confession and went to Toneri (little help, little sister)? Who wanted tending Ko’s injuries while Sakura was crying for Naruto like a submissive child?

“Sakura Haruno was the exact opposite – not submissive at all, would throw a punch if limits of common sense was exceeded and all that.”

Like she did to Sasuke? Wait… no. OH, when she defended herself from her bullies…. wait, no it was Ino…

Oh, yeah, she was punching a masochist boy. Huge feat.

“it’s even worse that it comes from little girls”

Little girls?

Have I remind you that shonen fights are for boys and not girls? And that even Kishimoto told that his main audiance are boys and not girls?

I skipted your NaruSaku scripts.

“Doomed in the hands of an author who not only had a wavering spirit but went back on his words and gave up on his own, despite the character that helped him climb the heights of success displaying totally different characteristics.”

Just to remind you: originaly Kishimoto never wanted any romance, meaning even your NaruSaku shipping was never wanted originaly.

“Kishi acted like he was writing a story, we thought he was really doing it, trusted him up to the last breath despite seeing serious issues with the writing, he made his money of our backs, now we’re fucked and he’s rich at the end of this prank while his fanbase deeply hurt and wounded. ”

Tons of those fans you called stupid retard Bleach fans already foretold this.

“At least for Sakura Haruno and for what she once represented…”

Sure, because like Karin Sakura given up on Sasuke, right? Wait, no, only Karin did while Sakura was still dreaming about Sasuke even in chapter 539 + 540.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    –Did you even read the text? Kishimoto never said Hinata would make a better heroine i 2009/2010. He said Sakura was not Hinata and he was tired of the whole “Hinata, Hinata” chatter, he said he would try to make Sakura more like a heroine

    –You are really part of the HWS (Hinata wanking Squad ) aren’t you? Kishimoto failed on both characters. Sakura’s power was an asspull it was unnderstandable why she got ir but it was still an asspull because kishimoto never bothered to continue Sakura’s proper development. Hinata daving Neji in 526 is probably such a small thing and yet you keep holding onto it…you still need to remeber Hinata ust managed to get an attack her cousin learned with 13 years when she was 16…and don’t say her twin lion fists thing isnt an asspull. The anime tried to give that thing a background but it came out of nowhere hahaha

    –About that “overreacting”, I agree with you…kind of. The revelation kishimoto was/is a hack is somewhat of a shock to people who liked Naruto even in its darkest times. But there are a lot of other good animes/mangas out there

    –Now now, the otaku covers a large range, there are the ones who like Lolis but there are also the ones who like big boobs moe characters. There is taste for everything
    And I understand what Chatte was saying, she regrets being a sakura fan not because of the character but because of the people behind the character

    –People are biased. Few things on the Naruto fandom can be called as facts specially when biased people are talking. I always mind myself when I use that word. Its always for a thing that was evident in the story

    –Are you saying Sakura was a moe character? Really? Oh my god.
    Sakura was attractive in universe, but her “pretty-ness” out of the Naruto’s world was always contested by fans, in fact thats why she was never quite used for fanservice like sometimes Hinata was.
    You are really part of the HWS, sure Hinata is a typical nice character, but you also ignore everytime Sakura helped someone hahahaha
    And I dont agree with that the Last thing. She acted quite selfishly there before deciding to save her sister, for example spending time making her scarf while she should be worried about her sister’s fate

    –Sakura is not a submissive character. THis was showed by the presence of inner Sakura, she has low confidence and is inscure but she also has a determination of steel and surely can be outgoing.
    Sakura acting submissive around Sasuke just shows she can’t be herself around him ( AKA thats why Inner sakura existed in part 1)

    –Well, seeing how the ending was all pairing oriented I guess it was more pandering the fangirls than to shonen enthusiats LOL .
    Besides mos shonen at least have strong female characters in the role of support or acting as heroines. I already gave examples of this in another post, Naruto’s kind of an anomaly since most of its female characters are quite badly done

    –If he never wanted that thing why he did it? Because he always followed his editor’s suggestion. He estabilished the early love triangle for example to make interactions easy to write based on his first editor suggestion
    No shiping was wanted originally, every one of them was one sided with teases to make their fans keep going. However doing this Kishimoto focused a lot more in NS than NH and SS, making NH look underdeveloped ( thus the movie) and SS becoming one of the most atrocious canon pairing of manga history

    If Kishimoto really didn’t want to involve romance he shouldn’t have made this the driving force of some characters and their only way at a spotlight.or better yet, he shouldn’t have teased the shippingers so much like Oda who openly declared One Piece is A SHONEN and will have close to zero romance even after receiving fangirls e-mails and letters

    — LOL, what? Bleach is somewhat better than Naruto but really isn’t anything to compare to it since thhese series suffered from similar problems

    –That chapter was made so the TV could use it to put some fillers hahahaha. Kishimoto himself said this in the interview. This just proves you didn’t read that yet so you don’t really know how much of a hack this guy was hahahaha.
    And we don’t even know if Karin gave up on Sasuke, I mean if she did that she would be a terrible woman wouldn’t she? Kishimoto didn’t even had the decency to show us this and one of the rules in litereary works is “Show, don’t tell”

      Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

      “Kishimoto never said Hinata would make a better heroine i 2009/2010. He said Sakura was not Hinata and he was tired of the whole “Hinata”

      LOL, he never said he was tired of Hinata or hated her. He said that even Hinata would be a better heroine than Sakura.

      “That chapter was made so the TV could use it to put some fillers hahahaha. ”

      And still it was Naruto but Sasuke hahahahaha! Regardless why did he wrotte that chapter Sakura was still not thinking about Naruto but Sasuke. XD ;P

      “You are really part of the HWS (Hinata wanking Squad ) aren’t you? Kishimoto failed on both characters. Sakura’s power was an asspull it was unnderstandable why she got ir but it was still an asspull because kishimoto never bothered to continue Sakura’s proper development. Hinata daving Neji in 526 is probably such a small thing and yet you keep holding onto it…”

      LOL first I never said Hinata was better and second saving the life of an important character is not a feat anymore? I hope you know that with comments like this you also ruin Sakura’s few feats too. ;P

      “Sakura is not a submissive character.”

      Sure, that’s why she needed to be saved from her bullies by Ino right?

      “Now now, the otaku covers a large range, there are the ones who like Lolis but there are also the ones who like big boobs moe characters. ”

      And yet Miyazaki was specially mentioning lolicons, because even among the otakus they are the majority. What do you think, why there are more animes with “heroines” with child bodies despite being 16+ years old?

      “Are you saying Sakura was a moe character? Really? Oh my god.
      Sakura was attractive in universe, but her “pretty-ness” out of the Naruto’s world was always contested by fans, in fact thats why she was never quite used for fanservice like sometimes Hinata was.”

      Sigh, it’s not about how people in the anime/manga try to potraying her, but the fact how does she looks like, and with her huge green eyes, childish body, pink hair and tsundere-lolicon acting she is the stereotypical moe-tsundere-loli. Only Rie Kugimiya’s voice missing.

      “And I dont agree with that the Last thing. She acted quite selfishly there before deciding to save her sister, for example spending time making her scarf while she should be worried about her sister’s fate”

      So you are saying she should become an annoying character who running up and down, hyperventalling and faiting in every seconds and so on? Trust me, if she would be like that “they” would ranting about that too. Hinata showned worries for Hanabi in a normal amount and if she would become like “that” it would be just worse.

      “Well, seeing how the ending was all pairing oriented I guess it was more pandering the fangirls than to shonen enthusiats LOL ”

      LOL maybe because the manga became a trash after Kakashi Gaiden and only the shippingers left Kishimoto knew that if he won’t make canon pairings than it would become even worse.

      Yes, Kishimoto told that not even the Naruto->Sakura->Sasuke love triangle and none of the fanon + canon shippings were originaly planned, but fans refuse to accept this.

      “He estabilished the early love triangle for example to make interactions easy to write based on his first editor suggestion
      No shiping was wanted originally, every one of them was one sided with teases to make their fans keep going. However doing this Kishimoto focused a lot more in NS than NH and SS, making NH look underdeveloped ( thus the movie) and SS becoming one of the most atrocious canon pairing of manga history”

      LOL, nope, even NaruSaku is underdeveloped and only it’s fans take everything romantic moment. Before you come at me with your “you are sure a NaruHina fan”, no, it was underdeveloped too, I just say the fact that NaruSaku was just as bad as NaruHina and none of the pairings in this manga were well written and this is a fact.

      “If Kishimoto really didn’t want to involve romance he shouldn’t have made this the driving force of some characters and their only way at a spotlight.or better yet, he shouldn’t have teased the shippingers so much like Oda who openly declared One Piece is A SHONEN and will have close to zero romance even after receiving fangirls e-mails and letters”

      Sure, but unfortunatly after Kakashi Gaiden mostly shippingers left and since everything can be sold by shipping Kishimoto decided to clinging in them.

      “And we don’t even know if Karin gave up on Sasuke,”

      LOL chapter 485 directly show into your face. Neglecting it is your problem.

      But I will never understand NaruSaku fans who are blindly shipping SasuKarin, because they say SasuSaku is bad because “toxic and abusive”, while SasuKarin is even worse and even more abusive than SasuSaku was. Yet NaruSaku fans shipping that…. that’s what I call hypocrite.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        –No he didn’t say this. Get your facts straight, he also never said he hated Hinata, stop putting words on my mouth, what he said is that he was tired of people comparing them and he would try to make Sakura a better heroine (in which he failed)

        –He just put that chapter up so the TV could use it man this means he had no intention of that being a “hint” or something like that. Read the interview, if Sakura thought of Naruto that would make NS canon already, of course Kisshimoto wouln’t make her think of him, he had to keep status quo

        –Sakura was a poor herione, she could be A LOT better in the hands of a competent writer. Hinata too, she coud have been better too. Most of the female characters in Naruto were badly used and received no respect.
        I think you misinterpreted, you keep trying to bring that thing about Hinata and Neji everytime, thats why I made fun of you for it XD

        –Yes sure, compare Sakura’s perdonality as a child who suffered bullying to how she normally was as a teenager/adult. If you keep calling Sakura’s normal attitude “submissive” I will reach the conclusion you didn’t read the manga. She only acts like this when she is insecure and guess whats its the main thing that causes this? Yes…sasuke

        –What Miyazaki said doesnt matter since he was refering to one type of otaku,yet the fact that people who like those big boobed moe characters exist cant be denied
        Seriously? Most of the anime I saw ( specially shonen) has women displaying their huge assets for example

        –Oh, now having a “childish body” AKA being flat, is fanservice? This is new to me. A lot of women are flat in real life man, thats no fanservice. She isnt a loli, go back to a dictionary and see the definiton of this term. She also isn’t moe in any meaning of the word, the character who could feet this trope s Hinata
        Loli would imply Sakura is a small child, which is not true since you know she has 16 years old and doesnt have the body of a child…having small breasts doesnt equal body of a child.

        –I think she should have been more determined in finding her sister and not on completing her scarf :D. This only changed halfway when she accepted Toneri’s offer after guilt was eating her from inside out

        –Manga became trash after Pein arc, Fact.
        Yes, all loves were one sided, still but kishimoto for one reason or another developed NS more.

        –NS is not a perfect pairing, but it was more developed than say…NH.
        Just look at Kishimoto’s words (if he is to be trusted). He had to say you had to take NS as a red herring, this means a normal reader would have thought NS as a canon couple was going to be the normal outcome. However if kishimoto really intended this he failed, cause he forgot to develop NH and SS along the way, making NH look like a one sided thing till the movie anfd making SS one of the worst messages of the manga

        –Yeah, I really think the teases were to sell. Kishimoto had nothing planned and only back in 2012 he chose the pairs for popularity. However its my personal belief that the first editor Yahagi knew where he was taking the story ( since he was pratically the writer), if we go by the moments the story passed while Yahagi was there is a clear NS inclination.

        –This is nulified because right after this chapter in another one of her appereances Karin still fangirls about sasuke. You could say not even death attempt was able to stop her, what would be? Kishimoto didn’t explain

        no I don’t ship SK, I think it turned out bad as SS after the chapter when karin fangirls for him right after the events where he tried o kill her. But I can understand why some NS fans ship them nevertheless

JamesSCassidy (3 years ago)

I couldn’t help it.
http://i59.tinypic.com/30j6v52.jpg

    Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

    Thanks for confirming you are a pathetic extremist. Kishimoto does not care about the NaruSaku fandom since you idiots threatened to kill him over a pairing.

      Guy (3 years ago)

      You are in no position of saying anything Jeff, your views on SS are horrbile

      No sane person thinks their relationship is comedy

        Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

        Neither are you Guy the fact you condemn SasuSaku as abuse but dismiss NaruSaku as comedy proves you are a misandrist.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Most of the fandom is misandrist then, lol
          I mean just insane shippingers can actually consider NS abusive

      Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

      NaruHina was there first, remember? That is if the so-called letters are true. After all, it’s not of the letters from NaruSaku fans Kishi talks about in interviews ;)

Anon (3 years ago)

You realise that the translator who wrote that “extensive summary” about the Kobayashi interview later RETRACTED his/her translation about Sakura, right?

http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=52963978&postcount=64

Read the whole thread from NF and the comments by the translator (Utapurinsesu), which was reposted by a rando here http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:164031

Kishimoto was never disappointed in her as a character. The translator said that he/she misinterpreted and apologized for writing it up incorrectly. Utapurinsesu acknowledges that the original interpretation by both OD and TakL are correct.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    I’ll have to check and see later for myself. But it’s not like the events don’t match in terms of when things started to fuck-up in this manga and especially Sakura’s character. So you see, the nuance might be different but the deeds of the past are there…

    Anyway, granted, I’ll be checking the links you gave me. :)

    LE: I re-read the interview but it still doesn’t change anything of what I said here. He gave-up on her, period. Making her “more cute” doesn’t cut it when he dethrones her of her heroine status to put Hinata up there because she’s popular. Nope. Not at all. On the contrary. It makes it worse knowing that he felt the way he felt and YET HE DID NOTHING!

Alesea (3 years ago)

Thank you Chatte. The ending really depressed me. I really loved Sakura’s character but for her own author to just throw her away because she was not well-received by other fans… it’s sad.

I always knew at the back of my head that Hinata was the preferred “heroine” because of her Yamato Nadeshiko image. Also most Japanese men prefer submissive women because its in our culture.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Don’t thank me dear… I’m just expressing my heart here… People think I’m doing it because I’m just a NaruSaku shipper that got butthurt that her pair didn’t happen but they don’t realize that NaruSaku not happening is not the problem for me and it never was. I’ve always said I’d be fine with whatever it comes as long as it’s properly done. Which was not. But they don’t see that, they see it as perfect. Well, I don’t. I don’t because out of all of the characters trashed by this ending, Sakura got it the worse and I’ll never shut up about this!

      O_o (3 years ago)

      how does it feel to be lying through your teeth chatte?? not butthurt because of the pairings – do you really think anyone who have seen all your posts here and everywhere else would believe that all your tantrums weren’t because of NS not happening? you have got to be kidding me
      -_-;

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        No, I’m not kidding you but if your brain can’t comprehend that, well it’s your problem not mine.

Orenji (3 years ago)

NH & SS shippers accuse anyone that doesn’t like the ending to be NS shipper and that is bullshit more then half the fanbase is upset, dissapointed or angry with the ending for many different reasons pairings is just one of many for me its the story that couldn’t keep its own continuity and gives up on character development and ignores main plot points.
for example the promise of a lifetime that Naruto and Sakura made was not even mentioned not even a thank you from Sakura to Naruto, I hoped that in the last they will deal with that instead they completely retconned the story, for the sole purpose of making Hinata the heroine and explain how Naruto ends up with her well the movie does a bad job even with that cause it looks like Naruto is guilt tripped in to marrying her, also she was always there for him crap is a mockery to characters that where actually there for him like Iruka, Jiraya, Kakashi, Sakura.
Hinata even replaces Sasuke as Naruto’s first bond.

    yama (3 years ago)

    seriously, this level of arrogance from antis are some of the worse any fandom has seen. for the nth time, antis are not the majority of the whole fandom, not even half of it. also, if you can generalize NH and SS fandom then dont cry when they generalize and assume that its NS at the core of all these.

      Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

      If antis aren’t a majority why is it that the NH and SS fandom can’t even pay the production costs for their beloved movie? Oooops…

        amy (3 years ago)

        production cost? so you now have a credible insight as to how much was actually used in producing the last and how much the revenue is. Gosh you really are a lost case. i dont know why i keep on expecting and hoping you would stop making statements that arent verified and make it seem like its factual when you missed all the nuances and context of the very article your post is based on.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Dear Amy, such information can be found on the internet, therefore the rest of your statement is nothing but words in the wind showing how much you’re here to discuss about the matter at hand and how much you’re here for… other purposes. Have a good day! :)

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

No, Guy I realize you are not just a misandrist you are an obsessed Sakuratard who thinks she can do nothing wrong. You blame every character for their mistake but when it comes to Sakura she is excused or Kishimoto is blamed.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    I don’t blame every character for their mistake since the main fault comes from the author

    I only defend Sakura against people who try to put her in a worse position than she already id, she is a poor heroine but a few people (like you) have such a hate against her that some of their views gets warped up and them they consider Sakura worse than she already turned out to be

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

You excuse her actions even when she is in the wrong. Sasuke and Karui are horrible for their beatings but Sakura beating up her own teammates wen they disagree with her is comedy. People like you treat her like she is a goddess and never does anything. The only time I have ever seen you condemn Kishimoto is in regard to Sakura’s actions you blame Sasuke for his abuse or Naruto for making Sakura angry.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Well, that’s where you’re in the wrong pal. I don’t excuse her actions, I even call her up on it, or better said, people who like to put Sakura on a pedestal at Karin’s cost, the same thing they did with Sakura. Be sure you know the context which I’m talking on before spewing things like these. And yeah, I admit for misjudging Sasuke in some cases but as I said always, with Sasuke I’m waiting for the manga to end so I can come up with my final conclusion. So you see, no matter how you try to twist things that I say one or another or do one or another, it won’t work because I know very well the intentions and reasons I have to declare one or the other. Now the fact that you don’t understand it well…sorry to say it but it’s not my problem.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    @Jazzy Jeff

    “you condemn Kishimoto is in regard to Sakura’s actions you blame Sasuke for his abuse…”

    Now you are adimitting Sasuke abused Sakura? LOL
    But anyway, I do what I said
    Naruto and Sasuke’s characters were also butchered by the author, I could talk about them but with you I have to constantly defend sdakura since you only demonize her and make her worse than she already is

    I would defend Naruto’s character or Sasuke’s character if people tried to make them worse than they turned out to be too (like saying Sasuke desrved to die as a villain for example…), but Sakura has more haters (like you), so its more common to find people demonizing Sakura than the other 2

    Sakura’s “abuse” is not abuse, you can’t compare to what Karui and Sasuke did.
    SS is abusive because the relationship lacks equality, Sasuke normally acts like a douche with everyone but Sakura is the one that wilts and drops around him. never managing to stand up to him when he belittles her
    What Karui did wounded Naruto so much he had to stay with bandages
    Whenever Sakura beats Naruto its a comedic interaction, its not treated as serious, he receovers shortly after. Naruto is also the one who provokes since he likes teasing Sakura, futhermore it inst abusive because there is equality in their relationship, Sakura doesnt wilts around Naruto neither does him.

    Its difficult for you to understand this? I already explained multiple but your biased pairing glasses is so glued to your head you can only keep repeating the same arguments like a parrot.

      TTRasengan (3 years ago)

      How was Naruto and/or Sasuke characters butchered? For people hating on the ending I do not understand how people keep over analyzing everything. Naruto consistently grew and achieved his childhood dream, and accomplished his goals, etc. Sasuke’s character could have had more development coming to the end, some more signs of internal conflict to allow his change of heart to make a bit more sense instead of it seeming so rushed… but still it was a fitting end. What is the problem? Or is the only way I can understand your point of view by over analyzing every step of the story to the point I can recall chapters by number and it’s contents off the top of my head? If so I really don’t have time for that. So a SHORT explanation would suffice.

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Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

How am I parroting comments when you doing the same thing? From your twisted perspective Sasuke and Karui are horrible for their beatings or insults but if Sakura does the same thing to people it is excused by your sick definition of comedy. She punches Sai for calling Sasuke a traitor despite telling Naruto they should cooperate as a team. By your argument Sakura can assault anybody who does not agree with her opinion or insults her but if she does the same to them it is excused.

Sakura and Naruto are not in an equal friendship. If Naruto does something that angers Sakura she will beat him up but if she does something wrong it is considered okay because she had good intentions even if she created a problem. She promised she would help Naruto retrieve Sasuke but admits she cannot do nothing and plays no role in their final battle. Naruto did not want her assistance and vows he will end the Senju-Uchiha conflict in his own way.

You have never explained anything to me. All you have done is blame Kishimoto or twist Sakura’s character flaws into good traits. Your obsession with her is disgusting.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    –Yes, I’m “parroting” too but its because you keep repeating the same thing over and over again and I hope to someday break the shipping glasses glued on your face even though it seems like an impossible feat

    –Its not twisted just because you say so, its a normal perspective, and its also not my “sick definition of comedy”, if you find comedy like that “sick” then you really shouldn’t have watched a lot of animes, its common for female characters to “beat ” their male companions, japanese are like that

    –Sai was being an asshole, Naruto wanted to punch him too and as I said before she doesnt beat everyone who doesnt agree with her, she beats her temmate for comedic purposes when they act with rudeness, dumbness or pervetedness.
    Even the manga even doesnt make that much of use of Sakura’s beating behavior, the anime uses this trope a lot though

    –Just read the manga again, they are not like that, you are clearly biased against NS. Clear examples being when Naruto made Sakura angry after Jiraya’s death she didn’t beat him or anything but she also didn’t wilt and remained quiet and the time were he told her to stay put during the war she standed up to him, looked at him in the eyes and told him she would fight.

    –About Sakura’s failed development ( and everyone else too) I have nothing to say but the fact remains that Kishi’s the one who really destroyed everything

    –I’m not obsessed, if I was I wasnt going to be able to admit Sakura is a poor heroine for example
    I merely defend her against people who try paint her as worse as she already was painted in the story (like trying to paint her as some kind of abuser just to excuse SS, huh)

    But Jeff, tell me are you even reading my comments? You failed to address all my points from before

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

Nobody can break you fanatical devotion to Sakura despite your failed attempts to insist you are not a Sakuratard.

Kishimoto just reversed the genders when it comes to the humor. Sasuke does to Sakura what she does to her teammates. They are similar and your defense that if society says it okay nobody should question it makes no sense.

Sakura can lecture Naruto about how they should get along with Sai and stops him from hitting him but if Sakura herself beats him for the very same reasons it is okay. Sai has a no right to state his opinion on the situation despite his involvement but Sakura can beat up anybody who disagrees with her.

You inflate Sakura as one of his special relationships but she is always grouped with someone else or becomes a part in a greater whole. She gave him no comfort after Jiraiya’s death. Naruto received support from Iruka who is like a father to him and Shikamaru.

Surprisingly despite her assistance in the war the other thing she promised to help with she played no role at all. Naruto retrieved Sasuke on his own with no help from his other friend. When it came to final battle Naruto vowed he would resolve the Uchiha-Senju on his own.

You have never admitted Sakura was a poor heroine without blaming Kishimoto or excusing a problem she caused because she was trying to help.

What points? You have blamed characters for their actions in the narrative except Sakura and suddenly you insist that Kishimoto butchered the characters. That is being indecisive.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    - You’re mistaken :/. I will repeat again, how can I be a “Sakuratard” when I acknowledge her character went to shit and she was a poor heroine? Can you answer me?

    –Sasuke was never a guy for comic relief, even more in part 2, so your whole point is failed. Even in part 1 he didn’t had the same kind of reactions regarding Naruto and Sakura that Sakura had with Naruto. In part 2 Sasuke’s interactions with team 7 were few, and most of them didn’t had any comedic element to it, since Sasuke was actually trying to kill them until some point and there is nothing funny about death

    You keep messing yourself up in your arguments, its a common trope in anime for females to beat males friends in comedic situations, there’s no vice-versa.Thats Japan for you

    –As I said, Sai was being an asshole at the time. Naruto wanted to put him in his place also.
    Sakura talked like that to Naruto but she still had to give a piece of her mind to Sai, I don’t actually have a problem with that, she contradicted herself but hey characters aren’t perfect, at this time Sakura still had a chance to develop more and had potential, she wasnt ruined yet
    You also conveniently forgot the fact that Sakura says to Sai that she is ONLY handling him and his behavior for Naruto’s sake

    So really I don’t know where are you getting with this

    –Why are you repeating this? Are you crazy?
    If you want to blame someone for Sakura’s ruined development (and everyone’s else too)
    Blame the author

    –But if she is a poor heroine its kishimto’s fault since he writes the character.
    How can you not want me to blame kishimoto even when its his fault? Lol
    Do you think Sakura’s a sentient being and could take decisions herself? The one who handles the character is the author.

    You got it now?

    –My point was always how kishimoto ruined the development of characters, his own themes and made the story bad. It’s mostly his fault (and probably some editors too). I’m not one to blame characters ( unlike you) unless the talk is about a fictional universe situation and even so, I usually look above it and try to include the author’s intentions on said situation

    I’m not contradicting myself, like you did before.
    You know back then when you said NS was meant only as comedy but now you are insisting its abuse…
    You are selective on your arguments Jeff, deep down I think you know you are wrong

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

You are a Sakuratard since every time a problem or a flaw in Sakura’s character you have excused it.

Sasuke’s interactions with Sakura could be interpreted as black humor. He treated her the same way she treated Naruto. The difference is Sasuke apologized while Sakura thinks she is always right.

How are my arguments wrong when your defense is because society condones the act it must be right? That argument has been used to justify many deeds that were later condemned and the fact you use it is repulsing.

Once again Sakura is excused from her character flaw. Naruto cannot hit Sai because it would disrupt team unity but Sakura can do it because she is smarter than her teammates and they have no right to their opinions. The only crazy person here is you. The thing I am getting here is despite your assertion of being objective Sakura’s character flaws are considered okay but anything her teammates do wrong makes them bad characters.

You have no problem describing other character’s flaws as if they were alive but when it comes to Sakura Kishimoto is always blamed. You have even changed your argument to insist Kishimoto butchered all the characters.

The only thing you have reiterated is Sakura is to be excused from her mistakes and anybody who believes otherwise is brain dead and stupid.

I have always insisted NaruSaku is abuse you have repeated the argument if Sakura does something wrong it is okay because she has good intentions if the other characters do it they should be condemned. Deep down you always believed Naruto belonged to you and anything that contradicted your vision of the series has no merit.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    –Not, I already said Sakura was a poor heroine multiple times, so how am I excusing her? Is it because I actually blame , you know the one who is truly responsible, the author? Instead I should blame a fictional character who doesnt even exist? Grow up.
    Kishimoto is at fault for every misgiving that happened in the series, simple as that. If Sakura failed as a heroine then Kishi failed too
    but alas, its not just with Sakura, its with everyone else too, Naruto, Sasuke, Hinata, Neji, etc… all of them had potential , all of them discarded by kishi

    –…Black humor?
    The fuck are you on?
    Well, you know that black humor is considered a twisted, sometimes offensive form of humor right? So you at least admit SS is twisted and offensive, okay.

    As I said million times before what you call “abuse” in Sakura’s part wasn’t abuse in first place. Go read the manga for example she beats Naruto even less there, and when she does its not in a serious situation or with the intention to kill, Naruto isn’t even deeply harmed after her bouts, in fact he likes teasing her.

    –If you don’t like the “woman beating on their male counterpart for comedy” tough luck buddy, a lot of anime are like that.
    It isn’t even abuse if its done with the intention of comedic relief, in fact you are probably the only person in the world who is hung up on this.

    — When did I excused her? Its such a small moment during the Sai- Sasuke arc and you are making such a big deal out of it, so just because Sakura stopped Naruto from beating Sai and then beat him herself this makes her bad? I guess you could say she is deceptive, but hell this is ninja world, ninja’s are deceptive.
    You also failed to address the time where Sakura says she is only putting up with Sai for Naruto’s sake :D. I guess my point is made

    Seriously, Sakura’s character in early part 2 is when she is in her most promising time.It makes no sense to criticize how she was being written there, she showed potential and drive, something Sakura from part 1 clearly lacked

    –But he did butchered most of the other characters! This was always my point:

    Some examples:

    **Naruto: became a person with the emotional capacity of a child, OOC in the last, turned into a scumbag

    **Sasuke: had no closure to his goals, feelings from Sakura came from nowhere

    **Neji: the one who followed Naruto’s “idea of fighting against destiny” ended up being destiny’s pawn like his father before him, dying with the intention of being a cupid

    **Hinata: Untouched potential, pairing fodder

    etc

    And not only characters, but plot themes were also failed to be addressed and then some were even destroyed ( the hardwork x talent lost place to a lame inheritance drama)
    The one who is to blame for the downfall of the quality of the story is none other than kishi, but you are somehow to hung up on Sakura, your blind hate is so strong you have a tunnel vision and can only attack her, its sad, you know to have this so much hate against a fictional character, she isn’t even real man

    –My point is that ultimately you shouldn’t balme the characters of the story because ultimately the one who is at fault is kishimoto. Its difficult to understand that?
    Seriously, you are blaming Sakura’s character for a lot of things…but then I ask you, who wrote her? Who decided what to do with her? Answer me…

    –Oh you have?

    You said this in “The clearing some thoughts…” thread, you considered NS and LS, comedy

    “Jazzy Jeff:
    That is your prejudiced argument. NS and LS were jokes it would not be possible if only one party has feelings for the other…”

    And now you are saying NS is abuse?
    You are a master at contradicting yourself! LOL

    And no deep down I hoped Kishimoto would be able to address his themes properly and make his story regain the same quality it used to have but he didn’t.

    Its not my view. Its a fact. Naruto’s story has been in downfall since the end of Itachi x Sasuke fight, it got a lot worse after the end of Pein arc and it was never able to regain the same power and prestige it had before in Japan.

    Deal with it

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

The only thing I have to deal with is you are a liar or you change your argument. NS is a joke because Sakura loved Sasuke and Naruto only had a crush on her. It is also abusive because Sakura beats up Naruto for nothing and gets angry if her does anything she perceives as bad. She always is excused if her actions had good intentions.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    *Yawn* Such small arguments…did you get tired? They are all to easy to counter

    1-Then every pairing was a joke, every pairing was one sided till the ending ;)
    Besides, Naruto loved Sakura (if we don’t count the retcon of the last) just read chapter 459 again, or the promise of lifetime for that matter :)

    2-It isnt abusive, her beating him is comedy, it isnt done as frequent and it doesnt have any repercussions, she beats him when he acts rude, perverted or dumb. That’s it
    You are the only one who insists on being abusive :D

    3-Did you answer my question?
    Who writes Sakura? Who draws her character? Who manages her development? Can you answer this or you are already too far in the deep end to stop blaming 2d characters?

    :p
    Well that was fun, this was your weakest try ever, all of your other arguments were weak too but this one takes the cake

      Fengshui (3 years ago)

      Of course all pairings were only for joke and fanservice, it was the same in tons of famous old shonen mangas too.

      Only shippingers took them seriously while – as even Kishimoto said – he never planned not even the Team Seven love triangle nor any fanon/canon (NaruSaku/NaruHina) pairings and nobody cared. But then Part 2 came, featuring DBZ fights and bishi males with Deidara + a tons of nice retcons and logic fails then ta-da, only shippingers left for Shikamaru Shippuden.

      About your beloved chapter 459, isn’t chapter 459 making Naruto even bigger scumbag as – according to you – the only reason why Naruto wanted to bringing back Sasuke was only because of Sasuke and not because he was important to him? It is also makes Sakura a bad character because it wanted suggest us that even she believes that Sasuke was never important to Naruto, which technicaly kills her character as “understanding” character.

      About beating Naruto it was funny once, but it has became repeated over and over, making it into an actually abusive relationship.

      The most funniest was your comment “who writte Sakura’s character” is that you also forgot that Hinata’s character was also written by him, yet you act like she is somekind of independent life form and not a 2D character written by Kishimoto whom

        Guy (3 years ago)

        –Hinata became a pairing fodder because of kishi too, I said he is at blame for everything in the story, m8. Learn to read :v

        –You can try to pass it as a joke for as much as you want but it simply wasn’t it, Kishi might have given the shippers a lot of pairing teases bc he wanted them to keep buying the manga like the greedy guy he is, but the romance subplot was there and was important for some MC’s (unfortunately), with love being the main motivation of a villain.
        If kishimoto wanted the romance to be just a joke/gag he failed completely
        Want to see how romance looks in a story whenit is just a joke/gag? Just look at One Piece

        -There is nothing wrong with Naruto on chap 469 ( I think you meant this one didn’t you)
        Naruto just says he wants to bring Sasuke back for his own reasons too and not just because of the POAL, (though it also plays a part just look at the last 10 chapters, even Naruto mentioned it there)
        Naruto became a scumbag because the retcons fo the last made his character unrecognizable and OOC
        The POAL is impotant for Naruto character because it shows how selfless he is considering his feelings and the last just destroys this

        –OMG…are you trying to call NS abusive too?
        Man, are you crazy? Just look at Jazzy Jeff arguements and how he insisted on this crazy idea and completely and utterly failed
        Besides in the manga Sakura doesn’t really beats Naruto that much if that is you r problem, it is the anime that takes it up to eleven

        You don’t even know the main reason of why SS is abusive do you? It is because it’s not an equal relationship, Sakura is a doormat and doesn’t even stad up to Sasuke.

          bleh (3 years ago)

          the only weak arguements here are yours guy. naruto never loved sakura romantically. platonically, yes, but romantically, no-it never developed to more than a crush. no manga panel supports that naruto still has romantic feelings for her beyond that of the hospital scene when he conceded.
          about sakura hitting naruto, it might be intended to be comedic, but it is still some form of abuse. most of the time naruto is just being himself and sakura still hits him. reverse the scene and you’d probably get the whole population riding on “feminism” up you ass.

          Fengshui (2 years ago)

          “–You can try to pass it as a joke for as much as you want but it simply wasn’t it, Kishi might have given the shippers a lot of pairing teases bc he wanted them to keep buying the manga like the greedy guy he is, but the romance subplot was there and was important for some MC’s (unfortunately), with love being the main motivation of a villain.”

          Look, it’s not my problem that shippingers taking romances even in a manga where romances are meaningless deadly seriously.

          Also, it’s not my problem that you can’t make difference between Brotherly Love (Madara, the TRUE MAIN ANTAGONIST) and Romantic Love.

          Even Obito confessed that the reason why he wanted create MT was because he had enough of the ninja world. Tell me: if he was motivated by “romance”, then why the fuck he didn’t used the silly Nagato or a White Zetsu to revive Rin with Rinne Tensei then giving her Hashirama Cells so she would turn into immortal?

          “Naruto became a scumbag because the retcons fo the last made his character unrecognizable and OOC
          The POAL is impotant for Naruto character because it shows how selfless he is considering his feelings and the last just destroys this”

          1.Only for NaruSaku fans.

          2.The POAL was the same as his declare to take revenge for Hinata againts Neji. Also, if it would be that important, then why the fuck didn’t mind about Sakura breaking it up?

          Also, chapter 457 in Sai’s flash back Naruto needed TIME to come up with the excuse to not confess romantic love to Sakura and didn’t even blushed. Sorry, but why someone need time to say an excuse to not confess romantic love?

          “Besides in the manga Sakura doesn’t really beats Naruto that much if that is you r problem, it is the anime that takes it up to eleven”

          Oh sure, and 99% of Hinata’s “stalkerish” moments are takes in the anime up to eleven. And denying it would be the same as denying your point about Sakura only beat up Naruto that much in the anime.

          Guy (2 years ago)

          @Bleh

          I will answer you with manga moments and facts

          > “Naruto didn’t love Sakura at all !”
          > 1- POAL, 2- chapter 457/458, 3- the last *trying* pathetically to retcon his feelings.

          .>”Sakura hitting Naruto is a form of abuse”
          > 1- its comedic, 2-it’s used in a lot of mangas/animes in general (see Love Hina for example) 3- Naruto’s perfectly okay by the end of her beatdowns showcasing it’s only for comedy, 4- you end up forgetting Sakura’s dere side, she is not only tsun all the time with Naruto, 5- You are forgetting Sakura is a tsundere for Naruto

          @Fengshui
          “Look, it’s not my problem that shippingers taking romances even in a manga where romances are meaningless deadly seriously.
          Also, it’s not my problem that you can’t make difference between Brotherly Love (Madara, the TRUE MAIN ANTAGONIST) and Romantic Love.
          Even Obito confessed that the reason why he wanted create MT was because he had enough of the ninja world. Tell me: if he was motivated by “romance”, then why the fuck he didn’t used the silly Nagato or a White Zetsu to revive Rin with Rinne Tensei then giving her Hashirama Cells so she would turn into immortal?”

          –You are so wrong it isn’t even funny
          Let me explain the mistakes you made in your statement
          1- Called Madara the true main antagonist, forgot about the shit villain Kaguya
          2- Said Obito’s motivation isn’t Rin when he said so in the manga, when its explicitly SHOWED that everything changed for him after Rin died.
          3- Your idea is stupid, how he would convince Nagato to bring back someone like Rin? Nagato might have been a tool but he did what he did for his own perception of peace
          , Hashirama cells don’t make you immortal (LOL WUT) I mean if they make someoen immortal why the hell did Hashirama died?
          Obito’s motivation as lame as it is was still Rin’s death and you can’t change this brah
          4- Love was a big theme even for characters like Gaara and even Naruto, granted not romantic love but romantic love is just love + lust.
          5- A few MC were harmed by Kishi’s insistence o focus on their loves, Sakura and Hinata are main examples.

          You can whine as much as you want mate, facts are by my side

          “1.Only for NaruSaku fans.

          2.The POAL was the same as his declare to take revenge for Hinata againts Neji. Also, if it would be that important, then why the fuck didn’t mind about Sakura breaking it up?”


          1 – No, the last destroyed his character
          2- Nope it wasn’t, the was pained by the Poal because he loved Sakura and he knew the pain she was feeling, he was empathixing with her. With Neji he just couldn’t stand his guts
          And Naruto refers to the POAL on chapter 693, so no he never really broke that

          “Also, chapter 457 in Sai’s flash back Naruto needed TIME to come up with the excuse to not confess romantic love to Sakura and didn’t even blushed. Sorry, but why someone need time to say an excuse to not confess romantic love?”

          – We don’t even see his face at the time to see if he blushed or not, if anything he was oddly serious which is enough to show that he was talking seriously to Sai
          And what a horrible excuse you used there LMAO…”Naruto had to think of an excuse as to why he would not he say he loved Sakura , derp” This makes no sense, Naruto’s a honest person most of the times,why would he try to think of an excuse and use it to lie to Sai? What’s the meaning? LOL Yep, keep trying saying that one day you might actually believe it

          “Oh sure, and 99% of Hinata’s “stalkerish” moments are takes in the anime up to eleven. And denying it would be the same as denying your point about Sakura only beat up Naruto that much in the anime.”

          -Not really, the anime didn’t upped Hinata stalking Naruto to eleven, nice try though (not)

Fengshui (3 years ago)

“horrible ending”

If you meant this not including shipping:

What were you waiting for when Kishimoto announced at the beginning of a fight that only 5 chapters left?

Everyone from the remaining sane readers already knew that the ending is doomed as nobody with sane mind believed that it would be enough for anything.

If you meant this by shipping, then so sorry, I wasn’t reading it for shippings so I can’t understand you.

“Thanks, Kishimoto. Thanks for making me trust in you and defend you till the gates of Hell”

If only you listened to the sane fans who abadoned Naruto much more before (around Sasuke killing Orochimaru) and thought about what antis said about the errors of the manga instead of sending them to hell then you wouldn’t disappointed in him that much.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Yeah, I can give you that I had trust in him till the bitter end because I thought that this guy would’ve went somewhere. I have my own way of dealing with this, others have their own way of dealing with things. I don’t stand when people come and tell me what to do in terms of things. I always said that my final opinion will be v. much centered on the end and how it will be done. Hell, for example I never really truly made my full opinion on Sasuke because he was the only character that kept me in “chess” so to speak, with his storyline.

    Does that by any chance make me unsane or something? For wanting to do things MY way and be left alone to make MY conclusions? Honey, I don’t follow rules, I break them at most. I’m my own person and do things my own ways and have my own opinions to which I am OPEN to change as long as people don’t come and bitch-ass at me, get it?
    I’m very capable of taking my own decisions and making my own observations, this is why I didn’t allow anyone to tell me how to do my things. You have no power over me. I have my rythm, you have yours.
    You have you way to deal with things, I have mine. Is it THAT hard of a concept to understand? I don’t think so. But we just need to be dicks, that’s all.

Fengshui (3 years ago)

“Because yes, that’s what Hinata Hyuga has gotten to be used for… as nothing more than a more submissive and moe character that does nothing but revolve around the existence of her love interest while she’s drawn like the aforementioned… because Sakura Haruno wasn’t that.
Sakura Haruno was the exact opposite – not submissive at all, would throw a punch if limits of common sense was exceeded and all that.”

Hmmmmm, I smell tons of bias shippinger hatred here.

I wish to laugh but I fear that one of those NS fans who still believes in you will jump on me like starving dogs.

About not being submissive, why didn’t Sakura cheered Naruto up after Jiraiya died but listened to males and let him suffer until Iruka do what she could? And don’t bring Hinata here, we are talking now Sakura.

Also, instead of telling Sai how much bullscrap he says when Sai blames Sakura for Naruto’s pain bringing back Sasuke she believed what Sai said despite she should known the best that Naruto firstly doing it because of himself and not because of a promise, but no, according to NS logic Sasuke was not important to Naruto at all, he was just a a tool to make Sakura-chan fell in love in Naruto……… wait….. isn’t that makes him a a scumbag too?

TTRasengan (3 years ago)

It’s been a while lol. So again Chatte Georgiana is still whining. The interview really gave an in depth insight into how the story progressed. You say your disdain isn’t about Kishi not giving you the ending you wanted but I think everyone can see through that lie. You wanted Sakura to be the female lead and Naruto’s wife because that’s how you view Sakura. Kishi tried to push Sakura but clearly her character wasn’t winning over the majority of his fan base. It only makes good marketing and business sense to go with what your majority fan base wants. That’s why Naruto the brand is so popular. Does that make him a sell out? No I don’t think so because it doesn’t come across like he necessarily had a strong attachment to the character to begin with. As for your remarks on Hinata this is where you show your focus was so much on Sakura you miss the point of how Hinata’s character grew altogether. She did become her own person. She stepped up when needed to but she found that strength through watching Naruto’s growth. That doesn’t equate to her not becoming her own individual, Naruto was her inspiration. You think Hinata became the lead because of how she was drawn? No it was because in part 1 Sakura was unfortunately portrayed as a stereotypical young female pining over the popular guy in school, shallow, and though her character matured bit by bit it wasn’t enough etc. Hinata on the other hand was timid, shy, etc (which is relatable), wanted to become stronger (which is relatable), and loved someone from afar and lacked the courage to state her feelings (which is relatable because we’ve all been there at some point). Given how attached you are to Sakura though and the pedestal you put her on you’ll only EVER see your own point of view as the right one, even if it means you have to not only disagree with the AUTHOR but hate the author at that. You ruined the series for yourself, and quite honestly you only have yourself to blame for that seeing as your attachment to Sakura (a fictional character) is actually kind of borderline obsessive and disturbing. She isn’t real, it’s not that serious.

    Vic (2 years ago)

    If Kishimoto would have killed Sakura would have made a better sense of why Hinata became heroine.. but no he still lingers and pushes her within the new 700+1.. She should have just kill her off like he did Neji.. and all this rambles would have never happened..

    The movie feels pushed .. or bad arranged marriage.. Naruto is pushed on to Hinata like she is the only girl that is good for him.. Cause she is a nice girl? Tenten was a nice girl, Ino was a nice girl, Temari was a nice girl.. Heck bring Shinon in again she was interested in him.. yet what we get is a bunch flashbacks to even before the days of school.. Where he could not even do a good bunshin and most had sick looking faces and pale.. here comes the new perfect minis.. they were minis .. but they were perfect 2 of them .. while back when chapter 1 he is older and cant do a proper one..

    Most dont understand that the problem is too much flashback to support this ending and changing of the personalities.. Since when did Hinata and Sakura became so close.. Whe Sakura ditch Ino? why did she ditch her? Why was naruto able to do sage shiruken rasengan without sage mode?
    I could take this movie apart and is not even funny of the crap that was changed.. To make Hinata the heroine.. all the words of the trailer became meaningless in the movie.. After watching Hinata’s failed attempt to break the globe.. it click on me this movie script had Sakura written all over.. as main heroine and got change at last minute.. yes cause it was said the movie had a revison done at last minute.. even an interview was done of Kishimoto saying it.. Sakura has circle of the moon in her clothes in all of them and all that was need it to break it was to be a descendant of the circle.. Sakura has enough strenght to break that globe click on me fast.. then it all made sense after Hinata removed Toneri’s eyes since when Hinata knows medical terminology to remove eyes..
    Remember what Kakashi said while in the fight with Zabuza an expert is need to remove any information from a body.. Those were precious eyes why on earth Hinata removed them like she was picking up golf balls from a cleaner..

    Now we have 700+1 Sakura is miserable as ever .. Naruto is always doing Hokage duties takes care of his kid using a clone.. Sasuke is on long trip has not meet his daughter yet.. oh yeah they are reeking in happiness..Sakura is not Sarada biological mother or her picture and her mother side by side would not be shown like that.. Sakura is her surrogate mother that is why the databook says its her mother cause that technically is true.. is just that is not her biological mother.. Sarada line of question reminded me of Sasuke and Karin in a small body asking hard question disregarding if they are painful or not..This are probably the subplots to break her Sharingan eyes..or whatever eyes she gets since her blood is Uzumaki-Uchiha. There is no doubt on that..She is gonna experience the trauma that leads to her eyes to pop..

      TTrasengan (2 years ago)

      The denial is strong with you. When did Sakura and Hinata become close? I would say since they both were going through similar feelings and experiences with loving someone from afar. That could have started after 699. You’re not leaving room for the time skip and all the things that would’ve changed during that time. As for Naruto being forced on to Hinata, no the seeds were planted since they held hands in the war. Stop only viewing the story based on a biased ship. I’m not saying Sakura and Naruto were teased, but the moment Sakura made her false confession you must have realized that they were never going to happen.

      harley quinn (1 year ago)

      To reply to Vic’s first reply, even though it’s been like one year since you posted, Hinata knows how to do basic medical ninjutsu. We saw her heal a man in the fourth war arc. Shizune once went on the mission to seal the third tails and when she needed ninjas with good chakra control, she chose Sakura, Ino and Hinata. Of course, she’s not on Tsunade or even Ino’s level for the medical treatments, but she still knows how to do some medical ninjutsu. Removing eyeballs and replanting them isn’t that hard of a task. The reasons why Hinata became Naruto’s lovers are way deeper than what you think. Naruto didn’t know it, but the first person who acknowledged him wasn’t Iruka, but Hinata. You can’t complain about how much Hinata is shy like how you can’t complain about how EASILY Sakura looses completely her chill because it’s their personality. Also, Sakura wouldn’t be able to even scratch the Tenseigan (the globe) either. Imagine Naruto’s rasengan vs Sakura’s punch. If you’re not too delusional as a Sakura fan, you’ll understand that the rasengan would beat the punch for sure. Now imagine that to destroy the Tenseigan, they needed the power of the Rasengan AND the lion fist mixed with Hamura Otsutsuki’s chakra. Don’t think too highly of Sakura, dear. She’s basically a copy of Tsunade, unfortunately. Anyways, Hinata was the only one who was able to detect where the Tenseigan was in the first place. The Moon was big and the team (Shikamaru, Sai, Naruto, etc) wouldn’t had much time to search for it.

        Chatte Georgiana (1 year ago)

        Hinata doesn’t know how to do basic medical ninjutsu, that was a thing SP invented. Don’t mix the two. That’s a thing people often overlook. Which was canon, which was not. And Hinata knowing medical ninjutsu was not canon, it was an invention of SP because at that point, Hinata had nothing more than her Hyuga bloodline, which wasn’t even touched upon more. That’s how much Kishi “cared” about Hinata.
        And darling, you keep forgetting I come from a NH/SS background. I know the reasons you try to tell yourself that Hinata became Naruto’s lover. But you see, if those were the reasons indeed, we wouldn’t have needed a retcon of the whole story.
        This could’ve been easily mixed into the story, the same way he did with the certain moments we had.

        AND LOL, the Tenseigan? Let’s look at what the Tenseigan is. A rebirth-based technique. Now tell me the character in this story who most had anything to do with rebirth concepts and so. Who was that besides Tsunade? OH, right, Sakura! Another rip-off they had to do, another thing to steal from another character because they couldn’t be bothered to actually develop something unique for Hinata, because they care that much about her, not!
        And you know why I don’t complain about Sakura’s personality’s chill? Because she turned that “no chill” into a goddamn weapon! Whereas Hinata’s shyness was used to her detriment, when it could’ve been used as a weapon of development. Hyuga clan leader ruling with a gentle fist, rings any bell?

        We have a saying here in my country: “After the war, many brave men show themselves”. What this saying wants to say is that after a war, many talk about how “brave” they were, whereas you couldn’t see them anywhere when the actual war was going on.

        Same here with Kishi and Hinata’s development. When the actual story ran, he gave no damn, but afterwards he had to pull things out of his…you know, just to make her relevant, because before that, he couldn’t be bothered.

        Now as I was saying, those might be your standards and you might be okay with that. Doesn’t mean I have to. To each, their own.

    harley quinn (1 year ago)

    Also, I absolutely agree with your opinion, TTRasengan :)

Lily (2 years ago)

Honey, you took the words right out of my mouth. *before any haters start rambling on that this is about shipping wars they are mistaken* People who actually READ Naruto from chapter one would pick up the idea that the story is about: growing up & the importance of friendships. You, Chatte, have covered so much truths that Kishimoto and his staffs have covered up with pettiness. Kishimoto ultimately transformed into a money hungry guy. Of course his job as an artist means income; he forgot that his fans are the reason he’s getting any $$$. And some fans forget that not all Naruto-fans love: “Naruto&Hinata” which was CLEARLY forced down our throats with that awful Last Naruto Movie they made. My point is, I hate the fact that rabid-Naruto-Otakus ultimately shaped the fate of Sakura. People hate her cause of her flaws(which every Naruto character possessed but I think personal feelings are the main reason she has hate). Kishimoto was very careful to make sure Hinata remained perfect. Perfect personality; shyness to make her seem “cute”. Yet with Sakura, Kishimoto makes sure that she’s always messing up or makes her say the wrong things. Making mistakes, which many characters have done in the series but Sakura still gets all the heat cause Kishimoto is… well… trolling at his best when it comes to writing her character specifically. He doesn’t know how to write good female characters? Look at Hinata, she turned out “perfect” as many hardcore Hinata fans would state. Kishimoto simply made Sakura walk in a huge circle in terms of development while Hinata got “better and better” = add big boobs and she’s clearly, “the better heroine”. Even in the Naruto: Rock Lee Spin Off, Kishimoto has Naruto state that Sakuras small breasts makes her less of a person. Kishimoto is trying to teach young male teens that a woman is nothing but dirt if she doesn’t have big mammary glands? In conclusion, Kishimoto taught his readers that banging your crush, as long as they have good looks on the outside, is what matters. (Hinatas chest size being the main goal) The ninja training doesn’t matter, the many friendships formed over the years don’t matter, nothing really mattered except who bangs who in the end. I also wasted my time on this manga/anime, hoping it would be a uplifting story about friends overcoming hardships BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT THE STORY WAS ABOUT FOR NEARLY 80% OF THE MANGA/ANIME.

I hope that all of Kishimotos works is viewed over the internet so that he does not get any money about anything Naruto. And I hope Kishimoto will never again release anything new in the future to rob loyal anime fans.

    Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

    To be honest, looking back now, his whole work screams sexism. I thought the reason he put all there was because the girls of the new generation were supposed to surpass that. Oh well, silly me, I guess…

Nigel (2 years ago)

Sorry Chatte, the databook reveals that it’s Sakura’s daughter. You just stirred up a whole load of mess for nothing.

    Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

    I stirred up nothing, dear. I gave my opinions on my own lane. It’s you that follow me around, not me following you around.

    Vic (2 years ago)

    She raised her is her daughter but is she her biological daughter does the book specify that?

      Vic (2 years ago)

      It would be absurd that after all that question and Sakura not controlling the situation better she would be Sakura’s biological daugther.. it would be too far fetch for Kishimoto to release that little bit of info in the databook as it would ruin the plot he created..

Vao (2 years ago)

I agree. I can go on and on about what I want to say. I tend to talk a lot too so I am just going to share some stuff about my feelings and pure opinion on this. Reading the comments people posted made me angry and sad at the same time.

I am a fan of Sakura from the very start. Though do not mistake me, I have never overlooked her bad parts. I have winced at a lot of the things she said and did at the beginning of the series. I hated that the anime always made her execute the punchlines for comedic relief. I have always insisted to people that Sakura was worth backing. Worth believing in because cheering for her felt like I was cheering for myself. Selfish I know but true so hear me out. Sakura was a normal girl. She did not come from any elite clan like Uchiha and Hyuga. She did not have any insane amounts of chakra like Naruto. She was bratty and a know it all. Both her parents are alive and she does not understand the depths of loneliness like Naruto, Saskue, or Gaara.

Still. Sakura tries whole heartedly and earnestly to understand. She is a deeply caring person and if you don’t believe me I can reference manga chapters to show otherwise. Her love for Naruto and Sasuke never wavered. She always supported them and believed in the both of them. People will also be quick to point out her bad parts, her “uselessness” but they never truly look at her accomplishments. Despite not having anything outstanding about her, except for her brains, she worked unbelievably hard to become an amazing kunoichi. Despite this Hinata was always the preferred kunoichi and I have made my peace with that because I felt that Kishi made it clear that Sakura is the intended heroine.

However. I still love this manga with all my heart. Kishi’s latest interview has unnerved me and I have been thinking about it a lot lately and I am trying to keep cool. I understand this post has nothing to do with the ships (honestly I do not understand how that has not gotten through to to people considering some of the comments I have read) because that is not why I am here to give my two cents/novel.

I just want to voice that I feel Sakura has been cheated. She was not the preferred heroine, honestly that is probs why I love her even more because she was never the preferred one. She’s the heroine yet people look at her in scorn and I just feel like I and others can relate to that. She is the heroine but Kishi does not back her like he should. I like Kishi but I cannot overlook this part about him. The fact that he always drags Sakura through the mud. I get excited because some chapters I’m like “YASS KISHI YASS FINALLY ACKNOWLEDGE SAKURA!” and then some I’m like wtf kishi why? Who cares about popularity polls? If so, then Kakashi could be the hero and not Naruto because Kakashi has beaten Naruto in popularity to the point where Kishi had to decrease Kakashi’s appearances. I am not bashing Hinata either because I like her and am very similar to her. Sakura and Hinata are friends! Props to the Hinata and Sakura fans who know this. Why do people have to tear others down to build another up? Anyways. I could go on but I do not want to turn this novel into a series. I respect your (your as in whoever disagrees with me) opinion as long as there is at least a bit of substance to it (after all, respect can not just be given out as if nothing. I at least want to see reasoning!) I respect Chatte Georgiana’s opinion. No, not just because I agree but because there is reasoning and deep feelings. This whole novel is my opinion. DATTEBAYO.

Picori (2 years ago)

I feel like a lot of people that defend the shit of Naruto’s ending don’t realize just how bad it was. A lot of people are so satisfied like ‘yay! NaruHina is canon, let’s just ignore everything wrong with the ending.’ And I hate that. I hate, hate, hate that. NaruSaku had development, but that’s beside the point. It isn’t just the development, it isn’t just the nonsensical endgames. No, this is about characters literally getting stripped down to nothing and having everything that made them their own character taken away. In this ending and the movie, Hinata became the perfect angel Mary Sue, perfect to stand by Naruto’s side. Pretty, busty, powerful, and loyal. Sakura was reduced back to her simpering little Sasuke chaser, when that’s not who she was anymore. This ending was disgraceful and absolutely disgusting. It’s not about the relationships, though I’m not happy with them, any relationship can work if properly developed, after all, but it’s about how these characters were treated. This whole manga people have despised Sakura because of how she was at the beginning. Yeah, she was annoying and lovestruck, but she was also 12 years old and they whole point isn’t where they start, but how they FINISH. And Sakura became strong, she grew close to other people and branched out, but she wasn’t Hinata. She wasn’t shy, hide-behind-trees Hinata. And people hated her for that. This ending broke my heart, not because of the stupid couples, but for what they did to everyone’s characters.

    here we go again (2 years ago)

    now try paraphrasing without your shipping eyes on. much as you try hard not to make it about your ship not being canon, ots so obvious you are more sad about NS not being canon than actual character development.

    ps. why add “busty” to the description of perfection, now you make all girls with small busts sad and making girls with big busts guilty for having them

    ps ps. this is so typical of an NS rant, illogical, delusional, ignorant of story facts, zero understanding of the characters they supposedly like and tries hard to mask saltiness with “pro character development” shit

      Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

      Oh look, someone who has no problem with Hinata’s hyper sexualization. Nice to know where you come from. But it’s okay, I don’t expect you to get it after you keep supporting an author that has screwed-up morals in this very world.
      I mean look around the fandom, look at you. You just excused Pierrot sexualization of Hinata. Lol and you expect me to take you serios? Hah, what a good joke…

        matilda (2 years ago)

        i dont get how here we go again supported hinata’s hyper sexualization though, op only mentioned there is no problem with having big bust or small bust for that matter. besides its not hinata’s character design that is sexualized, its people like you who shame designs like that does. for the record, women do come in different shapes. i have to wonder, is this one of your girl empowerment shennanigans again chatte? this coming from you who supported that sakura uzumaki hashtag? yeah sakura’s bane is being an uchiha and her glory is being an uzumaki? heaven forbid she gets by with just being a haruno… and still it aint all bout ships right? why dont you try something chatte, the next time you feel like something is coming out of your mouth, count to 10, think twice, thrice or however many times more needed before you actually say or type it out. then maybe you wont be this butt of a joke.

          Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

          Oh so you stalked my Tumblr accordingly now, did you?? And lol, look, another one that has no problem with hyper sexualization, wow.
          If you’re under the impression I am even considering taking you seriously after you’re defending the same crap, then you can really keep hoping.

          And lol, what does a community’s event has to do with this? Like really now? You can’t come-up with anything else and so you resort to these childish arguments? Lol, you guys make me laugh. :)

          matilda (2 years ago)

          im still waiting for a proper response chatte….. and no, nobody stalks your tumblr, dont think too highly of yourself, its that your annoying “events” are on the tags which i frequent.

          Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

          Keep waiting. I told you I’m not even taking you seriously.
          I don’t think too highly of myself. I’m merely observing based on your actions.
          You say you don’t stalk yet you visit the tags specially dedicated for that event. And oh, I guess a lil’ bit of truth was spilled over there: my annoying events. ;)
          Contradictory a bit if you ask me…
          Not to mention that about the aforementioned subject you wouldn’t know UNLESS you stalked my blog, since it wasn’t shared wide open just properly tagged on my own blog.
          But of course, you don’t stalk. It’s not like if you’re not on Tumblr to see what I write there, you not here on my blog seeing what I write here. Noo, of course, that’s not stalking or anything!

        EE (2 years ago)

        Honestly when you look at “The Last” character designs, Hinata and Sakura are both decently dressed, no cleavage or anything. Then you look Ino and you can see her crotch lines, as well as red lipstick. Ino was clearly sexed up in comparison.

        Hinata’s design in the Last is more like how Sakura’s usually is, lots of leg showing, instead of wearing pants, and arms showing now.

        There’s also been many more characters in the series who far more sexualized, Tsunade/Mei/Samui. Who always have their big bust on display. Meanwhile Hinata covers it all up, usually wearing a fur coat on a hot day.

kalaadaephon (2 years ago)

Thank you for talking about this. This is clearly an emotive issue for many people world over.

    Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

    No need to thank me, I am just expressing my absolute disappointment in Kishimoto… just pouring out the feelings. :)

kalaadaephon (2 years ago)

You know, for me it wasn’t about couples or ‘who got whom’. When Naruto first came out as an anime, it fed my idealism. Every character seem to want to distinguish themselves. I kept my mouth shut even as the story degraded its female characters with each successive chapters.
And then, the final chapter came out… Where Kishimoto made all the female characters pregnant and homebound.
I asked myself why I had been so loyal till the end. So forgive me, but I am so very angry that many fans and Kishimoto himself think that we are lesser, that we are inferior, that we cannot dream unless we are little boys or big boys.
An artist is only as relevant as his work or in this case his ‘ masterpiece’. This work of 15 long years will become another work that is redundant and uninspiring to any future generation except in its ability to generate revenues.

Alex Lara (2 years ago)

Honestly im a fan of narusaku but i wouldn’t have minded much if kishi hadn’t teased there relationship so much. who would believe that naruto, being as dedicated as he is, would give up on loving sakura. he made it clear on many occasions that he truly loved her. maybe it would have been different if hinata and narutos relationship was made more important then just a minute in an episode every one in fifty episodes.

Clairet (1 year ago)

To get a better insight to why Kishimoto did what he did and why Naruto was written the way it was You should read/watch Bakuman. It is an excellent exposition of the pressure and hardship of the industry.

Here is a summary for you: Naruto is written for the weekly Shounen Jump, which target young to young adult male readers. It’s also the top selling manga magazine in Japan (thus, the world). If you are a mangaka, there is nothing better than get serialisation in it. The length of your serialisation is based on a weekly poll (a way to let the reader decide the fate of what is published in the magazine). If you fell under a certain rank, your series will have to be concluded.

The polling is a very tough system to beat and many mangaka suffer under its brutal pressure. WrIting (and drawing) a weekly series is already though, but having the insecurity that your carrer can end anytime you did something that displeased the reader (and can’t fix it) is practically considered a nightmare by many people.

So you’re not totally wrong when you say that Kishimoto-sensei sometimes did stuff for the popularity (or for the money, if that’s how you want to frame this). But remember that it was not done just for a few extra change, It’s his entire likelihood and career. You dont just throw away the best career in the industry for the lols, you have to preserve. You have to remember that Kishimoto-sensei is just a human. And I think you are more upset that he didnt meet your expectation, rather than what he did to preserve the series.

Don’t condemn the whole industry just because this particular system does not work for you. That is just childishness and poor judgement. Not all magazine implement the polling system. Which is why I actually prefer stuff published in Monthly Shonen GanGan (e.g. Fullmetal Alchemist, Soul Eater). They tend to have a more fleshed out stories and characters.

Anyway, remember that Kishimoto-sensei is just a human. And even of you dont agree with the way he handled Naruto, he is still an admirable person for his preserverance.

    Chatte Georgiana (1 year ago)

    I did take all these things into consideration, of course. But from here to actually letting really morally worrying messages in your big career-wise writing is a big step, if you ask me.
    One shouldn’t sacrifice their values for a career. Because what career do you think Kishimoto will have now as a writer or whatever, given that he proved that as an author, he cannot be trusted? If the industry from Shonen Jump would’ve been indeed the problem, no problem, move to another publisher. Like you said, there are others. But I guess it’s easier that way.

    The only thing that could make me get past this whole mess and get to condone certain aspects is that I really do not know what terms are between him and Shonen Jump, how much of the authorial rights he really has and all that jazz. Maybe that’s where the problem lied.

    But from there to sacrifice your own person and good morals… nah.

    Plus not condemning this industry? You forget this is an industry with great influence over youngster’s lives. If that industry does a poor job, I’ll condemn it as many times as I can. And trust me, I took into consideration all the facts – the industry, the fact that he’s a human, all of them. Still doesn’t change the facts and the effects he left behind. It’s a thing called responsibility. Sadly, something he barely touched in Naruto and his wanna-be-Hokage-dream. But that’s another thing for another time.

    And perseverance is only admirable as long as it’s for a good cause. When it’s going downhill, that’s not called perseverance. That’s called self-destruction. Which kind of happened with this series.

CrysWill (1 year ago)

I was never a Sakura fan because she represented everything I am against as a woman. From the very beginning Sakura never developed properly. For instance Wave mission, that would have been the best moment for her to remember why she wanted to be ninja. She as a civilian didn’t enroll in the academy for Sasuke but we’re never told her reasons. I don’ t Care about pairings I Care about characters. I also never cared for her abusive behavior, it is never okay to hit anyone regardless of different opinions even if they are always okay physically afterwards. That is like saying it’s okay for a woman to hit to a man or a child to hit an adult because it’s not going to hurt them. In my headcanon, Sakura was supposed to mature with every mission and situation. For example, after wave she would reevaluate why she became a ninja then reconnect with Ino from there we would see her development. Now to off topic, I were to ship Team 7. Sakura would end up with Lee. I say this because she would dominate Naruto and be submissive to Sasuke. But Lee would have an unwavering belief in her that she could reassure herself with when she is feeling self conscious or not confident. Also Lee is strong enough in his beliefs that he would not allow her to bulldoze him on certain issues, a true compromise where both cover each others weaknesses and enhance their strengths. But that’s just my opinion, I know a lot of people cannot get over Lee’s character design which is sad because important things shiuld not be based in looks. About Naruto, I feel his character could have ended up with anyone because that’s the kind of personality he has. With Sasuke, he too could have been paired with anyone. I say that because his character isn’t the type to settle down in a home. I could see him even in the first manga leaving his family for months or maybe years at a time with only occasional visits/letters. Let me know what you think whether you agree or disagree. I love to share and listen to everyone opinions and perspective because that’s how I grow as a person and expand my knowledge.

    Chatte Georgiana (1 year ago)

    I don’t even know how should I respond to you after that last comment on the other post. But anyway…
    Sakura’s starting point was ok because at a young age you cannot expect someone to be experienced in a thing or another. So she had to had a starting point.
    Yes, we’re never told her reasons of becoming a ninja because Kishimoto didn’t care enough to do it because she was going to be used in the future as nothing more than a tool for Kishi to break money records with the pairings, so of course that went down the drain.

    As for what you call abusive behavior, dear God, I wonder when will people understand that it’s comedic relief, but I guess that’s another thing for another day. Abuse is what Naruto took from Karui, by the way.

    As for the rest of what you say, yes, that could have been very well a possibility and given their start, it would’ve been a nice touch, the same it would have been with the possibility of Ino and Chouji – I used to talk to people a lot about these two possibilities.

    Now, about what you say in terms of Sakura being dominant with Naruto, I don’t believe so. There was a balance between the two, and the only times Sakura was being hard on Naruto was when Naruto acted stupid himself. Call it a reaction to Naruto’s action. Looks has nothing to do in this whole story or better said, it should but the way Kishimoto wrote it eventually it’s just… well, hard to clarify. After all, that was his plan all along, I believe. I see the same balance between Naruto and Sakura as I see between Sakura and Lee, here.

    I do agree about Sasuke, though. He’s not the kind that just… stays. As we can observe from the series continuation. Sasuke – if it were to be with anyone, should’ve been Karin. After all, they are both the same breed – wandering souls.

    But you see, we cannot make any solid case or argument here. Why? Well, because the author himself, its story basis isn’t a solid one, so we have no certain ground to stand on.

Umbra of the Void (1 year ago)

I usually try to stay out of forum discussions, but this is a long running topic that I’ve found myself thinking about on several occasions. This may get a little long winded so I apologize beforehand. If this was a few years back, I would have questioned the fact that you chose to defend Sakura in such a manner. But I’m older now and I’ve come to realize a few things throughout the journey of reading and watching this series from beginning to end.

I’ll start first with Sakura’s entry in the series. Like most, I was irritated with the fact that no matter how nice Naruto was to her that her response was either physical violence or a harsh insult. It certainly didn’t help that she was completely enamored with Sasuke. This stems one of the major points of hatred that most people have for her character and I’m willing to bet it has to do with the fact that they relate to Naruto’s position in this love triangle. Most guys have probably had a crush on a girl who ignored them for the more popular boy, despite the fact that he never paid any attention to them and as such developed a hatred of her archetype because they didn’t have ‘a shy Hinata character’ waiting for them.

Simply put, if this is the main basis of hatred then its meaningless. Take a step back and realize that we’re dealing with a twelve-year old girl at this point. Have you ever known a twelve or thirteen-year old who thought rationally about their romantic future?

Part of the reason why Hinata is supported so much by the fanbase is the fact that they compare Sakura who fell in love with the popular boy in a shallow manner compared to Hinata who fell in love with someone who had no redeeming qualities whatsoever outside of his will to never give up. You’ve made a firm point that Hinata has some blame towards the degradation of Sakura’s character due to her appearance, personality and overall popularity. I can’t find any fault in that logic. The heroine of the story at least has to be likeable and he failed to do that. It was how she was written from the beginning and it turned fans off from the start.

Sakura’s treatment of Naruto improved much more quickly than most people would allow themselves to admit. She helped him on several occasions like the tree-climbing exercise and the chunin exams and even spoke in his defense when Sasuke was too scared to fight Orochimaru, so she’s not the horrible, selfish, inconsiderate and useless person that most people make her out to be.

Now I’ll move on to the subject of Sakura’s development as a shinobi. She was a blank slate to start with. Sakura had a low capacity of chakra, but excellent chakra control going for her. Kakashi didn’t teach her much outside of chakra control exercises. She didn’t train herself at all either and didn’t ask for advanced training until after Sasuke left. This wasn’t a good look for the character overall when you compare the other kunoichi of her generation in Part I and realize that Sakura has no specialty outside of genjutsu apparently which was never explored outside of her ability to dispel them.

Fast forward two years and Sakura has grown into a competent shinobi with medical ninjutsu and chakra enhanced strength. At this point of the series, I could definitely say that she was an equal to Naruto (without nine tails support) which was fine, but she pretty much stagnated and had zero development until the war where Kishi remembered that she existed and gave her the Byakugou technique. This disappointed me because she was pretty much a copy of Tsunade compared to Naruto & Sasuke who had their unique techniques. It’s not really that fair of an assessment since they have the Nine Tails/Sharingan respectively, but her lack of development just seemed lazy and honestly it didn’t seem like she surpassed her master until after the series ended.

The fourth databook gave us more information about the characters abilities. Sakura’s entry showed that she had affinities to Earth and Water that of course she never uses. Tsunade likely has these elements and she learned them under her, but she never uses them which limit her overall appeal. Naruto mainly uses wind and Sasuke uses fire and lightning. Her elements should even out the team’s elemental pentagon, even if its just support or collaboration ninjutsu. But we are talking about Kishimoto here. He couldn’t even handle Naruto correctly. If he did, Naruto would have had his wind element and incomplete Rasenshuriken before returning to the village and it would have been the mysterious ‘that technique’ that Jiraiya tells him not to use for the obvious drawback reasons, but I digress.

My overall problem is the fact that Sakura just wasn’t mature enough in Shippuden. Well… she’s more mature than Naruto (before the Pain arc), but that doesn’t really count. She had an excuse in the original series, since she was still young, but Chunin Sakura had no excuse to be immature. This has more than likely been brought up many times, but the confession was the dropping point for her character. Many people have said that she did this because she cares about him and doesn’t want him to be hurt because of her, but lying to him about something that serious was the absolute worst thing that Kishi could have done for her character especially coming off of Hinata’s confession. There were scattered moments up to this point that suggested that Kishi had completely given up on her, but none of them were as blatant as this one. There was ZERO build up for a romantic confession to happen at that moment. Sakura hadn’t shown any change towards Naruto, so why would she confess now? Simple, to kill two birds with one stone. Hinata’s popularity and confession was undoubtedly a factor, but the manner that he chose to set up her and the NaruSaku ship up to fail was absolutely childish. And then, he ruins her character further by having her go after Sasuke and fail not once, but twice to attack him because “she still loves him”. The war didn’t do her any favors either.

I know that Kishi originally used her for comic relief in the series, but the comic relief character never gets proper development, especially if she’s constantly plunking people on the head just cause. Side characters are typically given that role because the writer doesn’t have to care about them as much as the main characters. Some would question if Sakura would lose some of her appeal without that part of her personality, but there are many popular tsunderes that don’t constantly beat down their loved ones and losing that part of her would’ve shown that she had surpassed Naruto/Sasuke on a mental level. It may sound farfetched but remember that we’re dealing with a revenge-obsessed Uchiha and a dense Uzumaki who’s constantly rushes head first into most situations.

The Sakura in the Last movie was the one I wanted to see in Shippuden. I loved this Sakura. She was composed, professional and strong. The most we got out of her were playful, but blunt insults towards a completely dense Naruto which were warranted. It’s scientifically proven that women mature earlier than men do, but the only leaf kunoichi of their generation that seemed to change mentally throughout the original series and Shippuden was Ino. I also liked the dynamic between her and Naruto in the movie. It actually felt like they were best friends compared to their interactions in the past which felt like they were just close teammates.

Chatte, you mentioned above that you are a NaruSaku fan and I respect your decision for staying firm and not wavering. Unfortunately, my disappointment in Sakura’s character near the end of Shippuden caused me to lean more towards the ‘anyone but her’ category which settled on Hinata. Not the greatest choice either, but I can’t deny that NaruSaku made more sense from a story standpoint if it had been done correctly. In my opinion, Sakura was supposed to evolve from a girl with a crush who knew nothing about love, to a woman who acknowledged the man who always stood by her side was the one she was meant to be with and she would be determined to train harder to protect him from the Akatsuki and help save their friend from the darkness. Wishful thinking at its best, though. And it’s not like Sasuke wouldn’t have had anyone else. He still had Karin…

Her daughter Sarada turned out to be the most popular of the new series and I think that she was what everyone wanted Sakura to be from the beginning. It’s a shame that we didn’t get to have that.

harley quinn (1 year ago)

Lol. Why are you insulting Kishimoto, the person who fucking invented your useless little heroine sakura-chan? It’s his manga, he invented it, he owns it. The characters are fictional. You’re so jealous of Hinata. Don’t blame Kishimoto if Hinata is way more popular than Sakura wtf. Kishimoto said he tried to boost Sakura’s popularity but it didn’t work because we all have fucking opinions and most of us don’t like Sakura, and you should accept it like how Kishimoto did. He decided he will try to slowly make Hinata the main heroine. If you’re not happy with it, just stop reading the manga. Also, what does Hinata’s boobs have to do with all this? Seriously? Don’t act as if Kishi needs your forgiveness. You’re not the only person who reads his work, stop being so selfish. Changing the whole story to make sakura the best character just for your little selfish would be stupid (and impossible). Just deal with the facts that Kishimoto and most of his audience like some characters more than others. Everyone has regrets, and Kishi regrets writing Sakura.

    harley quinn (1 year ago)

    Sorry if I offended you in my previous comment btw. I just get annoyed easily but I still think that Kishimoto has the right to do whatever he wants and should be able to do so without having ppl saying he’s shit. Yes, I really dislike Sakura and I have my reasons but I know you also have your reasons to like her and I respect your opinion but I hate it when ppl try to make someone, or a character look worse/better than he really is.

      Chatte Georgiana (1 year ago)

      You didn’t offend me at all, and plus I’m so used to this by now that it doesn’t even move me. I am not trying to do anything, dear. I am just describing a situation the way it happened, then give my opinion on that basis. If things would’ve been different, my opinion would be different as well.
      But as I said, to each their own standards.

    harley quinn (1 year ago)

    Um, I know it’s the second reply, but I wanted to precise that I was talking about Hinata when I said that I hated it when ppl try to make characters look worse than they really are. Hinata isn’t submissive or moe. She isn’t loved because of her boobs, you’re the one who’s sexualizing her here. And it’s pretty ironic that you said Hinata revolves around the person she loves, since Sakura does so too with Sasuke. But the worse part is that Sakura loves Sasuke for his looks and Hinata loves Naruto because of his good heart. That proves a lot of things.

      Chatte Georgiana (1 year ago)

      She isn’t loved because of her boobs? Then explain SP adding more to her breasts and putting her in all kind of “situations” such as:
      Kishimoto vs SP Hinata
      SP filler Hinata; interesting positioning of the carnivore plant, don't you think?

      As for what you said in the second part of the comment, yes, Sakura reverted to her part 1 self because that’s how it was required for her character in order to make room for NaruHina romance, because remember, if she were to realize her feelings for Naruto, she would’ve been a “bad woman”, remember?
      And if you’d know me, you’d know that I damned the SS development as much as I did with the NH one. Even more so than NH.
      Like I said, don’t forget the fact that I come from a NH/SS background. I know why I left those behind.
      As for Hinata, the reason she got interest in Naruto was because of his faked-confidence against the others, a thing she didn’t possess. If it proves anything, it proves that both of them are the same: look at the guys for something they didn’t have. Hinata at Naruto for the faked-confidence because she lacked, and Sakura at Sasuke because of his looks, something she didn’t have, as she considered herself ugly because of her forehead.

    Chatte Georgiana (1 year ago)

    It’s not his manga, he didn’t invent it and he doesn’t own it. Yes, the characters are fictional. No, I’m not jealous of Hinata, on the contrary. I pity her. Why? Because she used to be a character whose potential I looked up to as well, just like Sakura’s. I was just more involved with Sakura than Hinata.
    And where did I act as if he needs my forgiveness? Do you even know how to read and comprehend something?
    From your reply seems that not. All you came here to do is trolling.
    But it’s okay, to each their own standards. ;)

      Nourdine (11 months ago)

      I agree I kinda think kishimoto is a semester I mean almost all the main female characters are weak even thought the strongest in the Series is kaguya

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