From Japan to the West: On Sakura’s dethroned status as a heroine and promotion of Hinata

Heya, dears, how are you today? Hope you’re doing fine.

Now before I begin this, I need to share with you certain information that I don’t know if it has been shared with you before. On Tumblr it circulated before and it was initially started on Twitter. I’m gonna copy here the post from Meganezaru’s Tumblr in regards to what actually happened in the end with Sakura as a character and why Hinata is the new heroine and how that ending came to be, after all.

Currently on twitter, a Japanese nrt fan (locked account) who apparently knows someone at Shueisha and the said person leaked the truth behind the ending; this information is being escalated around among fans on twitter. I would like to thank a friend who kindly notify me about this and gave a brief translation; however, this is not word for word translation and just a gist of it. Also, for personal reasons, I’m not going to post all tweets:

編集部のはサクラが嫌いで自らネガキャンをした。海外での嫌いなアニメキャラまとめ動画でサクラが1位になっていたことを、当時のジャンプ公式メルマガ的な物でURLを流した。 

後、イン戦以降の「サクラとヒナタ、どっちがヒロイン?」という質問をあるアンケート葉書で全てが決まったという事のようだ。当時はヒナタが告白したのにサクラがナルトに抱きついて、サクラクソ!みたいなアンチ意見がたくさん来たからその流れで決めたらしい。

ナルヒナ信者はカミソリレターもやらかしてたらしいし、アニメイトの前で署名活動して注意されていたという話もあった。それ程昔から過激な信者がついてて、活動を続けてきた。

The editors themselves hated sakura and started a negative campaign

Kishimoto tried to push sakura and was supported by other mangaka by the editors in shueisha refused to allow a sakura ending

Using a mail magazine within shueisha the editors even circulated the news about sakura being voted most hated character overseas

They even sent it with the video showing sakura being voted most hated with the email magazine

During the pain arc they apparently sent a questionnaire out that asked which one do you think is the heroine – sakura or hinata?

And apparently hinatards sent lots of comments about how hinata already confessed and yet Sakura is a bitch for still hugging naruto

And that’s how they picked the heroine

A lot of hinatards also sent threatening letters to shueisha stating they want nh

Hinatards also tried to get petition signatures in front of animate and where warned to stop

So that’s why it went this way

Pressure from editors and hinatards and s fans not knowing so they couldn’t counter the lobbying of the hinatards

As we can see, not only Sakura’s dethroning has to do with popularity issues but also with hate from the editors of the manga. This paired up with Kishimoto’s interview back in 2010 along with the interview with Kobayashi from months ago, makes total sense.

No wonder that Naruto and Sakura never spoke to each other in the end, no wonder that Naruto didn’t confess to Sakura after the promise of a lifetime has been completed, no wonder that Sakura never really found out who exactly complimented her forehead back in chapter 3. No, all this is no wonder because in the end, these type of fans reduced it all to the pairings and how dare she, bitch Sakura hug Naruto after Hinata-sama “sacrificed” her life for him? It doesn’t matter that it’s Hinata’s decision and she is the sole responsible for her actions, no, how dare she, bitch Sakura hug Naruto in front of Hinata?

sakura-hugs-naruto

I remember how in the beginning of my interactions with the fandom I said that all this Hinata wanking is done at Sakura’s expense. Well, in the end NaruHina happening is done at Sakura’s expense given that we have all the proof we need here.

Kishimoto not only went with the Hero x Heroine formula with would’ve meant Naruto and Hinata, but because he went with this formula and Sakura wasn’t popular enough, he dethroned Sakura, made her her 12 years old self again, screwed-up Sasuke’s character so it can match afterwards some sort of dynamics with Sakura given that in the whole manga and especially at the end he makes it clear he has no interest in Sakura and, above all this, he made Hinata the newly wanted heroine.

Because that’s how this market works nowadays. The authors don’t get to write their own stories, they have to be forced to do one or the other, depending on what the popularity polls indicated. And since they hated Sakura and had “back-up” from the West side, they thought this is going to work very easily. I mean, look how confident they were that they didn’t expect this backlash from the fandom.

Those editors of Kishi didn’t knew that the west doesn’t only consist of NaruHina and SasuSaku fans, that the West doesn’t all hate Sakura and all these other things they had no idea of, until it blew in their faces that they rapidly rethought their marketing strategies.

But in the end, it doesn’t matter because from what we see, this story wasn’t even Kishi’s 100%, was more written by his editors not him, so us, fans of Sakura who also happened to be fans of NaruSaku, got a taste of betrayal not only once but twice.

Not only Kishimoto dethroned Sakura from her status as a heroine but he also in the end, indeed went with the Hero x Heroine formula for the pairing, only that he replaced the heroine because that’s what the popularity polls said.

Not only he dethroned her and brought her to her 12 years old self, he married her with Sasuke not knowing probably that a great majority hates Sakura not because she’s moving on towards Naruto, no, that wouldn’t have made her a terrible woman like the NaruHina fandom along with the editors there made Kishi believe so. No.

What made people hate Sakura was her love for Sasuke. And not her love for Sasuke per se but the fact she wasn’t capable of standing up to him and be herself, her real self around him and had to act totally different. That’s mainly the disappointment. The fact that she becomes a doormat when it comes to him. Do you think that people would’ve had a problem with Sakura and her love for Sasuke if she had been a girl standing on her own two feet to Sasuke like there’s no tomorrow, let’s saaay… like Karin does?

SS fans belittle Karin for her “lust” for Sasuke in an attempt to justify Sakura’s love for him when the problem is not that. Not only Sakura has been shown to be a pervert herself just like Karin, the problem is she doesn’t know how to stand-up for herself and send Sasuke to the depths of hell when she feels like he’s acting like a douche, you know, like Karin does, not caring that he’s this cool last survivor of the Uchiha clan.

That’s the problem with Sakura and her character but Kishi never understood this. Plus, it was never really told to him exactly. After all, in the interview with Samura he says how he has seen reviews of Naruto from abroad. But let’s remember a bit here who exactly showed him those interviews? By whom was Kishimoto shown these interviews and with what purpose?

Right, by the editors of SJ to show him how Sakura was hated and how Hinata was loved. I mean, just think about what kind of “reviewers” we have abroad on YouTube and then you’ll understand what happened.

It’s that simple. In the end, like I said, Kishimoto couldn’t stay true to himself and gave-up on her. He gave up on all of them, in an attempt to make Hinata the heroine so that the Western fandom would be pleased.

But surprise, Kishimoto dear… The Western fandom isn’t made out only of those people. There are a lot of us who respected you enough to leave you finish the story on your own terms.

But instead you betrayed us, your own characters and your own story for some people that didn’t had the respect they so much claim to have for you, now, at the end of the manga, to leave you finish the story you wanted, how you wanted while it was running.

So in the end you ended up betraying the people that respected you while trying to satisfy the people that never really respected your work for what it was, the way it was like in the first place…

Hope you’re happy now. But do know that your fans are not, and we’re reaching out to each other, from continents and seas apart in an union for the story we once dearly loved.

Sakura Haruno deserved better, your characters deserved better, you deserved better. But the problem is that you didn’t have the guts to respect yourself and take care of your own story…

Oh well, that’s what happens folks. Plus, apparently this is how the manga market is ran. Apparently this is how Shonen Jump operates. Glad to know that so I’ll know not to give them a penny anyway.

But yeah… so if you ever wondered about this ending and how it ended the way it did, never forget this. Even if it’s not true and “just a rumor” like people will like to call it, how comes it match with Kishi’s interview in 2010 when he defended Sakura in front of Hinata, where it’s clearly stated by Kishi that people have told him that Hinata would make a better heroine than Sakura.

Back then we never knew which people. 5 years later, apparently we finally find out. Shonen Jump editors and NaruHina/Hinata fans…

But oh well, that’s life… for the story that once united hearts and now breaks souls with betrayal.

Cheers, my dears!

 

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Jonathan Johnson (3 years ago)

I feel even worst then ever.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    I’m sorry… :( Imagine how I felt when I first read it, then Kishi in his Kobayashi interview. It’s all a mess. :(

      Shitimoto (3 years ago)

      Kisimoto won an award, right after millions of people agreed on the fact that he is a horrible artist that lies right into the face of everyone.
      What do you think about that? :P
      Couldn’t find an article on your site…

        Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

        Yeah, I saw he won that award. Well, that award was purely based on sales numbers and how largely the manga spread not taking into consideration its message and whatnot so for me, that particular award is equal to zero.

narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

You do realize that SS is the most popular hetero paring. And nice job blaming it on the paring rather than Sakura whom is worthless at worst and medicore at best and she’s a main…..

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Well SS didn’t save Sakura from her dethroning of her status now, did it? Nice job blaming it on the pairings instead of Sakura? Dude, did you even read the thing? I bet you didn’t because apparently you don’t understand an ounce of all this. But what to expect from you knowing that you always deflect from the matter at hand so anyway.

      Leonard (11 months ago)

      Are we sure the translation is correct from we going to make sure that’s accurately translated by someone who’s not a fan of the show will allow the personal preference to influence the story or the translation he is what I think if you want something to debate with those fruitcakes then it’s better that go to them would have something more solid to stand on when they start throwing garbage that hasn’t they have nothing to stand on basically is more fulfilling when you win the argument because they have nothing to stand on we got to make sure this translation is accurately done by someone not influenced by Naruto or anything reference to the show because then they won’t be biased to the translation Everyone likes to stand in any argument we have to build a prove that would be in fear what others are being a little more fanatical yes but we should be a bit better than that and move on and be a better example how much true fans of the anime Naruto remember it’s not completely his fault either he was handed and misinformation put yourself in his situation how would you have dealt with it ask yourself that question don’t blame him if it what is said is true and he was handed false information about what they want it and the studios did this never the same people that made a fanfic based Legend of Korra season finale Asami and Korra are the most popular fanfic lesbians on fanfiction how do you know they won’t influence on that front because now Naruto is 21st century technology when I read that in the anime that 19 forties technology that’s how you know the stories fanfiction revolution technology can’t accelerate that quickly no matter how much you want a blue believe it

    Guy (3 years ago)

    The pairing fandom is just a fraction on the bigger neutral “don’t care for pairing” fandom

    Besides in the west the most popular pairing is NH…in japan the yaoi pairings are the most liked because fangirls are the ones who generally will ship things. SS is the most poplar hetero pairing in japan with NS behind. Its understandable why fangirls like SS since it falls onto the cliche shojo troupe “bad guy + nce girl”, actually few people in japan thought it would end up being canon since their relationship in canon was horrible.

    Futhermore most people who ship canon SS don’t acknowledge the damage that happened to Sakura’s character
    However there are few SS who dislike how the canon turned out but still ship it in fanon…they have my respect

    And if anyone is at fault for Sakura’s lack of development in late part 2 is kishi, just read his interview with Kobayashi. he gave up on her character

      narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

      I agree with the rest of your points so i’m not going to respond to them. You blamed SS for Sakura’s hate when there are MUCH more reasons to hate the character.

      @Guy
      Yep Kishi has a set of characters whom he focuses on and makes them really good (Madara, Sasuke, Naruto) and the rest get little moments of glory and then are completely forgotten about (Kakashi, Sakura), of course this is Kishi’s fault I mean Sakura is a main but whatever…

        NictheC (3 years ago)

        I disliked Sakura when she was with Sasuke. She seemed to lose all her edge. I loved her when she was strong and independent and I loved her when she was fiery. Without Sasuke she was all that. With Sasuke she just became meek.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Nic
          Yeah, this is part of the problem, she can’t be herself around Sasuke no matter what

Ryousan (3 years ago)

You know is kinda amusing(and fun) how you managed to bring this down a personal level. “Boo-hooo Kishimoney betrayed meeeeee xD”

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    It is kinda amusing and fun when the subject is other but because you’re incapable of defending his writing and the things that were done behind the curtains you come with these arguments, trying to make it as if it’s just a “Boohoo, Kishimoto betrayed me” kinda thing when it’s not. But what do people like you know anyway…? Nothing.
    Because when they can’t argue on what the subject is, they search for any other thing to bring into discussion. Ntz ntz…

      Ryousan (3 years ago)

      “because you’re incapable of defending his writing”

      Oh but I DID defend his writing to which you have always responded something along the lines “you too blind too see that everything is terribad now” rather than given actual reasons

      ” that were done behind the curtains you come with these arguments”

      The same kinda of thing that you supposed were happening behind courtains when you were writting you Narusaku theories, Chatte? Coinspiracionism is nice way to avoid admitting that you were wrong…

      “trying to make it as if it’s just a “Boohoo, Kishimoto betrayed me” kinda thing when it’s no”

      Am I talking to same person that swear to the heavens to she wouldn`t be dissapointed if she was proven wrong yet the first thing she did when the Last was premiered was to describe how “dissapointed and disgusted” she was?

      You are BooHooing Chatte. Plain and simple

      “But what do people like you know anyway…? Nothing.”

      I`m sorry to tell you is going to take more than you to tell ME what I DO KNOW and what I DONT.

      “Because when they can’t argue on what the subject is, they search for any other thing to bring into discussion. Ntz ntz”!

      Maybe because trying to discuss anything regarding the ending is a moot pint with you. Why? because you won`t give in, you wonpt consider you were wrong: You will do the same thing that every fanboy/girl does when thing don`t turn out the way they wanted.

      They close ranks and bunker down on their digital dominions where they will continue to whine about how much they have been wronged.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        We only came to know how kishimoto’s character truly was after his multiple interviews since the ending
        Before this, few people theorized he was a hack, so of course, a huge part of the fandom trusted him to end the series conclusively at least, no matter the pairing ( but minding the execution of said pairing, of course)

        Futhermore its completely understandable that one people after re-reading the series after such a terrible ending could catch up on a lot of other blatant mistakes that they didn’t read or noticed before.

          Ryousan (3 years ago)

          “conclusively at least, no matter the pairing”

          The problem is, Guy, that the Unconclusive part of he ending is mostly pairing related ,particulary NS related. That is why Chatte and her gang bring up the forehead thing so often

          “re-reading the series after such a terrible ending”

          Would you care to please elaborate on that? EXCLUDING any and all pairing related elements

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Ryousan

          –The ending tried to be conclusive, but it failed.Kishi made Naruto’s plot a lot more complex than he should have done it and in the end he wasnt able to properly address it.
          Not only themes from the past where forgotten like the whole thing about hard work/ talent being exchanged for some lame inheretance drama, but they were also themes that were perverted, like the whole “destiny” plot point.
          Kishimoto also began dealing with themes that required a more competent storytelling and world building from his part like the whole cycle of hatred, peace, forgiveness,etc.

          And just look at the ending, it doesnt present anything to us, 699 just gives us a vague message and 700 acts as a set up for the future Boruto. We son’t know what happened in the aftermath of the war, how alliance was secured, if Naruto helped it on it, what happened to Sasuke’s goals

          In fact I don’t consider the novels as canon because kishimoto is not doing them, but Shikamaru’s novel seems to imply the one who did ,ost of the job to secure konoha’s alliance was shikamaru…so all the foreshadowing about Naruto uniting everyone was for naught?

          Futhermore, the series was already in a downfall spiral, I believe this ending is just the cherry on the cake of how bad the Naruto series turned out to be, this cherry was also needed by some fans because iy made them wake up and look at the story with another eyes without pairing glasses, unfortunately some canon pairing fans still refuse to see how bad this turned out to be

      moot (3 years ago)

      i swear, i cant i find these goddamn japanese friend who APPARENTLY knows someone someone on the inside. you give the same round of comebacks whenever someone calls you for your BS and hypocrisy chatte, i agree with ryousan you guys have been forever on the “pity us train” whining about everything and feeling victimized when its no ones fault that you guys fantasized so much about an ending to a story that was never yours to begin with so anything could really happen. its also irritating that you seem to have this impression that kishi and the fandom owes you an apology for ending the way it is and for being satisfied with the ending. my suggestion is drop everything, drop everything naruto, dont read it, dont look at it, dont think about it – just drop it. its obviously bad for you and for your psyche. if you hate what its become then just avoid it….its like deliberately eating your most hated food and then whining and blaming everyone, both pointless and silly

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        No one owes me an apology, dear. I never said that. Now the problem that you don’t find these goddamn japanese friends is because they don’t want to be found, get it? Because they’ve seen how the West treats these kind of things, I mean look at how things happened with Kishi and his story.
        The problem here is that you guys have no access to it, not that it’s not there somewhere. But oh well, we need to make it about something else.
        You so much whine that the sources are fake and what they say is fake but I even show you that even considering this hypothetically and going by Kishimoto’s interview with Kobayashi, Samura’s and Yagahi – it all fits. So you see, let’s say my sources are fake – I’m not here to prove anything to you btw and I’ve made it clear plenty of times -, and that what I’m giving as an opinion here is based on “fake” things. But how comes that going by the same route, it fits with “true and official” as you guys like to call it or whatever, news/interviews as well? But nah, we don’t talk about that becaaause… bananas!

          Ryousan (3 years ago)

          “The problem here is that you guys have no access to it, not that it’s not there somewhere. But oh well, we need to make it about something else.”

          THE THING IS that we already tons of guys claiming stuff in Tumblr that were infomred by a “japanese firend”, “a cousin wo works in SJ” , “an employ of Studio Pierrot”. The list goes on

          About the “all fits” it might as well be confirmation bias, giving your own inclination to biased opinions. And please, Chatte, save you breath trying to tell us how you are not biased…

          moot (3 years ago)

          how convenient that these “friends” are only available to you then. and can you pls not make it “not about ships”. you and i and frankly, everyone else knows had NS been canon, you would have been praising her for things you are condemning her now because she got in with the hero. nobody is convinced of your its not about ships claim because everything else you do and say and theorize shows otherwise

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @moot

          You can only guess what would happen if NS had been canon moot, on the other hand we have NH/SS canon and some of their shippers blindly accepting the mess of a story the creator gave them and attacking people who can see where and how the story failed.

          Besides, if you don’t trust Chatte’s information, go look out your own information from japan. You will see things like how the Naruto’s booth is empty during Japan’s biggest event for anime (Anime Japan)

    Shitimoto (3 years ago)

    It’s called scam, and it’s illegal.
    When you sell a box, and say it has a new computer in it, when it’s actually just an empty box, that is CLEARLY illegal and personal.
    Basically, Kishimoto is a dirty thief and nothing else.

      moot (3 years ago)

      @guy yeah, because a SINGLE picture of a faraway gintama booth and a close up naruto booth definitely explains and proves everything you are crusading for. is this from a “friend” in japan again?

        Guy (3 years ago)

        Keep trying to find excuses moot

        Fact is
        Gintama booth was crowded
        Naruto booth was not

          moot (3 years ago)

          @guy, you’d have to understand, i can never trust any “source” or “fact” you narusakus give. not with all the fabricated, mistranslated and outright lies that you spread as “facts”. again that SINGLE picture doesnt prove anything, unless you can show a series of pics side by side showing both booths. but you can cling to that all you want, whatever makes you happy repeat your mantra…naruto sucks, naruto sucks~~~

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Moot

          If you can’t trust go look out information on your own then

          The pictures you were talking about was shared by a japanese person on twitter and she was commenting the fact that
          a) Gintama booth was crowded
          b) Naruto booth was not

          You can try to deny the fact for as long as you want but it won’t change reality ;)

          And, yeah, Naruto indeed sucks, this is also a fact. It is popular among the world of course but so are a lot of shity things like twilight, and 50 shades of grey. So yeah popularity =/= good series.

          And even if its still popular among the world in general as one of the “big 3″, it seems to have died down a lot in japan if we go by how the movie failed and how the manga sales were underwhelming

          moot (3 years ago)

          @guy what arrogance! your headcanons/ feelings arent FACTS saying naruto sucks isnt a fact but your own personsl opinion. along with every other things you said. so im not denying facts, im just not agreeing with you.
          and like i said, its that mysterious japanese person again huh…no wonder.
          plus, pls dont insult me by insinuating i go looking for facts HERE of all places. i merely go here to comment to at least try to dissuade what you people like to so very often present as “facts” because the fandom could use some other perspective aside from what you bitter people try to shove down their throats

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @moot

          “guy what arrogance! your headcanons/ feelings arent FACTS ”

          –Good thing they are indeed FACTS then

          “saying naruto sucks isnt a fact but your own personsl opinion”

          –Naruto sucks, the quality has dropped tremenduosly since the end of Pein arc, its not a good series, full of retcons and asspulls
          Thus from a technical POV, Naruto indeed sucks. Its a fact mate

          . “along with every other things you said. so im not denying facts, im just not agreeing with you.and like i said, its that mysterious japanese person again huh…no wonder.”

          –As I said if you don’t believe in the gintama- naruto booth thing go look for your own sources

          “plus, pls dont insult me by insinuating i go looking for facts HERE of all places.”

          –Well, then too bad. I presume the place you go look for source are the awful biased comments of NH/SS shippers that are blinded by canon. Pity

          ” i merely go here to comment to at least try to dissuade what you people like to so very often present as “facts” because the fandom could use some other perspective aside from what you bitter people try to shove down their throats”

          —But I just said to look up your own sources didn’t I? How is this “shoving down in your throat”
          Please stop victimizing yourself moot, its pathetic

          TTRasengan (3 years ago)

          @Guy I would have to agree with moot the opinions you state are arrogance. All these “sources” yet so many, if not all, are argued to be false etc. If you could prove to me you’re in Japan and can show me yourself then maybe I would accept that as reliable. Though I don’t get why fans outside of Japan care so much about what Japanese fans think in order to evaluate whether the series is good or not. That comes down to the reader/viewer. Also Guy in one argument you stated that Naruto is the top 3 and popular worldwide but that doesn’t mean it’s good, and in another you talk about how it failed in Japan. Either way it’ll always be a popular series/brand. In essence your OPINION (not fact) is clearly of the minority if the majority of the rest of the world likes the series. So your “facts” essentially are irrelevant and pointless if the series is a global success aren’t they? So please do yourself a favour and humble yourself and accept your statement that Naruto sucks is merely an opinion of yours.

          Guy (2 years ago)

          @TTrasengan
          Naruto sucks and that is a fact in itself
          Anlyse the series from an unbiased POV and you should be able to see it clearly.
          In the same way just because something is popular it doesn’t mean it is good , just see Twilight and 50 shades of grey. Naruto is the same as these two
          However while it is also a fact that Naruto’s popularity in Japan has been decreasing with time as the series got stale and uninteresting, Naruto remains as a quite popular series worldwide however as I said before popularity =/=quality
          and TTrasengan, those pictures of Naruto’s booth and Gintama’s booth were shared on twitter by a fan , the fan commented on them and said Naruto’s booth was empthy compared to Gintama, that is it. If you don’t trust the source I advise you like I adivised moot, go look for ther sources then.

          “So your “facts” essentially are irrelevant and pointless if the series is a global success aren’t they? So please do yourself a favour and humble yourself and accept your statement that Naruto sucks is merely an opinion of yours.”

          –What I got from here is an utter arrogant statement ” Naruto is popular worldwide therefore your opinion that it sucks is irrelevant”
          1- Naruto indeed sucks though, it IS a fact and everytime I bring up the unbiased (even those not related to pairings) reasons of why it sucks no one can actually counter them
          2- As I said before popularity =/=quality, I mean do you think twilight and 50SG are good series because they are popular?

          Besides TTrsengan, I’m still waiting your input on my anlaysis of the ending of Naruto, guess you forgot.

          TTrasengan (2 years ago)

          To say anything sucks is a fact is complete nonsense. Something being crap is subjective not objective; u know the old phrase one man’s trash is another man’s treasure??? I can’t comment on 50 shades as I never read the book or watched the movie. Twilight is crap to me, and is crap to probably most ppl over the age of 16, especially males. Does that mean it’s an objective fact that Twilight sucks? No it doesn’t, cuz there were a lot of things I loved when I was that age that I think is crap now. Naruto may not be as legendary as DBZ or Kenshin, but what happens when time passes and it becomes nostalgic? looking back to me watching DBZ over it’s essentially not as good as I remember it, but it’s still a classic to me because of the nostalgia. All of this is completely subjective, and the fact that you can’t see your opinion as NOT being an absolute statement shows your arrogance.

          TTrasengan (2 years ago)

          and yea I did forget or didn’t notice. My opinion of the ending was that it was just decent. Not as epic as it could’ve been, or nowhere near as epic as it could’ve been. I thought the battle between Naruto and Sasuke could’ve been way longer than it actually was, and there was no part that really stood out as memorable to me other than the end scene with both of them laying next to each other and the symbolism of the hand gesture. Also Sasuke’s change of heart felt rushed and sudden, so that bothered me as well. Outside of that though, I liked the ending. It could’ve been done a lot better, but I wasn’t really devastatingly disappointed. Just thought it could’ve been better, but as long as he became Hokage, and they showed his life as an adult living happily that was enough to make me happy with the ending. Him ending up with Hinata and the whole pairing thing was a great bonus to me as well so I couldn’t help but enjoy that. That’s my little summary of the ending, and my opinion on it.

          Guy (2 years ago)

          @TTRasengan
          “To say anything sucks is a fact is complete nonsense. Something being crap is subjective not objective; u know the old phrase one man’s trash is another man’s treasure??? I can’t comment on 50 shades as I never read the book or watched the movie. Twilight is crap to me, and is crap to probably most ppl over the age of 16, especially males. Does that mean it’s an objective fact that Twilight sucks? No it doesn’t, cuz there were a lot of things I loved when I was that age that I think is crap now. Naruto may not be as legendary as DBZ or Kenshin, but what happens when time passes and it becomes nostalgic? looking back to me watching DBZ over it’s essentially not as good as I remember it, but it’s still a classic to me because of the nostalgia. All of this is completely subjective, and the fact that you can’t see your opinion as NOT being an absolute statement shows your arrogance.”

          –You are wrong, everything can’t be subjective, specially if you analyse from an objetive, not biased POV, thats why we have critics. You can enjoy Naruto, but the later part of it, sucks.
          FACT

          “and yea I did forget or didn’t notice. My opinion of the ending was that it was just decent. Not as epic as it could’ve been, or nowhere near as epic as it could’ve been. I thought the battle between Naruto and Sasuke could’ve been way longer than it actually was, and there was no part that really stood out as memorable to me other than the end scene with both of them laying next to each other and the symbolism of the hand gesture. Also Sasuke’s change of heart felt rushed and sudden, so that bothered me as well. Outside of that though, I liked the ending. It could’ve been done a lot better, but I wasn’t really devastatingly disappointed. Just thought it could’ve been better, but as long as he became Hokage, and they showed his life as an adult living happily that was enough to make me happy with the ending. Him ending up with Hinata and the whole pairing thing was a great bonus to me as well so I couldn’t help but enjoy that. That’s my little summary of the ending, and my opinion on it.”

          –By your little text it’s obvious you let your bias cloud you analyse of the endinng, this or simply you didn’t care that much about the story , which is a shame. I already explained part by part why the ending was that bad, not even approaching from a pairing perspective. Right now I do not have the time but I will put them here soon

          TTrasengan (2 years ago)

          @Guy So the opinions of movie critics are always shared by the audience for any movie? No, the fact is more times than not movie critics enjoy slow paced movies that focus heavily on acting as compared to the average movie goer who enjoys blockbuster movies. Why is that so? It’s all based on personal tastes, preferences, etc in what any individual views as entertaining. Again because whether something is good or not is completely subjective. You stating an opinion that Naruto sucks is just that, an opinion of yours. You believing and stating that something sucks based on your own analysis and interpretations does not make it an objective fact, if you genuinely believe that then you’re incredibly deluded and again showing your arrogance.
          As for my summary, my opinion on the quality of the ending isn’t based on pairings. Like I said the pairing was a bonus. My main interest was in the fight between Naruto and Sasuke, Sasuke’s final decision with regard to the village, and Naruto becoming Hokage. I was a casual fan of Naruto so I didn’t focus on any parallels or theories, or hold every single thing that happened in the past to be absolutely applied to how the ending should be. Therefore given all that, I’m happy with the ending based on the focus points I had.

          Guy (2 years ago)

          @TTrasengan

          “@Guy So the opinions of movie critics are always shared by the audience for any movie? ”
          –No, but critics are supposed to use an unbiased POV when analysing, unlike common people, personal tasta can be part of the critics in some part but utimately the critic should remain truthfull to the ubias aspects of the critique
          For example everyone can like a movie a book or something but the fact that it was said it sucks by an unbiased POV will always be there, simple. You can agree with it or not, but it doesn’t really matter

          “No, the fact is more times than not movie critics enjoy slow paced movies that focus heavily on acting as compared to the average movie goer who enjoys blockbuster movies.”

          –You are speculating and generalising, critics are supposed to approach the movie from an unviased POV, that’s why movies full of hype usually don’t live up to it

          “Why is that so? It’s all based on personal tastes, preferences, etc in what any individual views as entertaining.”

          –You can view something and like it, for example, you can like Naruto for whatever you think but it won’t change the fact that it sucks, simple

          ” Again because whether something is good or not is completely subjective.”

          –Disagree, just approach such a thing through an unbiased POV and you will have your answer, for example Avengers 1, it has some problems but it is an enjoyable movie nonetheless, Naruto is quite enjoyable for some people and other people hate it, ultimately when someone approaches it with an unbiased POV there is really no denying that it sucks

          “You stating an opinion that Naruto sucks is just that, an opinion of yours. You believing and stating that something sucks based on your own analysis and interpretations does not make it an objective fact, if you genuinely believe that then you’re incredibly deluded and again showing your arrogance.”

          –I’m approaching Naruto from an unbiased POV, so my interpretations are really more secure, than say yours, who is clearly biased.
          I am a major in literature so I know how to do this,how to let my own bias aside and analyze an literary device in an unbias manner. So much that I say for example that NH had potential even if it was a little underdeveloped, if not for the trainwreck that was the last NH could be a passable pairing.
          For example, see the plot of the story, what were the messages, what was the author trying to pass? I already analyzed all of this and Naruto is a mess, plot themes changes, Kishimoto used some plot devices and themes in a completely wrong and unbelicable manner…ultimately there is no denying, it sucks

          “As for my summary, my opinion on the quality of the ending isn’t based on pairings. Like I said the pairing was a bonus.”
          –Of course not ;) lol

          ” My main interest was in the fight between Naruto and Sasuke ”
          –Whitch sucked

          “Sasuke’s final decision with regard to the village”
          -We never got it

          “and Naruto becoming Hokage”
          -We never got this too, just saw him in his totally underwhelming 700 self

          “I was a casual fan of Naruto so I didn’t focus on any parallels or theories, or hold every single thing that happened in the past to be absolutely applied to how the ending should be. ”
          –So this explains, you are a casual, you didn’t care that much for the story, so you didn’t notice how it was deteriorating with time and let your own bias to patch up the story for you

          “Therefore given all that, I’m happy with the ending based on the focus points I had.”

          –You can be happy ewith the ending for your own reasons, nobody can change that, but it won’t change the fact that if Naruto were to be approached by an unbiased it indeed sucked

          TTrasengan (2 years ago)

          @Guy the fact that you say critics are supposed to give an unbiased pov, etc is also a generalization. For the most part you always see the same types of movies up for an Oscar. For the group that make up critics their opinions are based on what they view as good storytelling, acting, etc. Those are their tastes and preferences, over CGI, explosions, slap stick humor, etc. Facts are universal, like it’s a measurable fact that planets revolve around the sun, it’s a fact that Naruto the movie was made. Those are things that are universally known. Whether something is good or not, will always be subjective, based on opinion, debatable, things of that nature are not fact but as stated, opinion.
          As for my opinion on the ending I don’t agree we never got an answer about sasuke and the village, he chose in the end to be a part of the village but he left to learn more about himself and in essence repent for his past actions. Also the fight was ok, I wouldn’t say it totally sucked, I guess we’ll see more when the anime catches up. Also I don’t get how you can say we didn’t get to see Naruto become Hokage. Unless you mean you wanted to see the actual moment/ceremony when he was given the title? As for the pairing, like I said I was a casual fan, so the pairing thing was something I hoped to happen, but I largely viewed Naruto the same way I watched say kenshin. The romance thing wasn’t the main event for me, as it was never depicted that way while following the story.

          TTrasengan (2 years ago)

          Just to add on the critics/unbiased argument not even all critics share the same opinion on movies. You being a major in literature or what have you does not automatically mean that your opinion is unbiased or that your opinion is a fact. That is probably one of the more arrogant things I’ve ever heard. That’s like saying me being a major in International Business makes any opinion I state on the economics of a country or how a country’s economic system should be absolute fact. It doesn’t work that way, we can have our own opinion, theory, hypothesis, but it doesn’t make it the rule of thumb. However based on the discussions we’ve had so far, it’s clear we won’t see eye to eye. You believe your opinion is a fact and nothing will change your mind on that, the same way I liked the ending and the movie for Naruto and your opinions won’t change my mind. So it’s best we agree to disagree.

          Guy (2 years ago)

          @TTrasengan

          Guide to how to do an unbiased review

          1- Analyse the story based on the character development, plot development, etc and how this ties in the end of the tale…

          2- end

          it’s simple man, really simple

          Of course, not all critiques are unbiased, since most of the times critics actually share a little of their opinion, etc

          For example I can enjoy a movie at the cinema but at the same time I can do an unbiased critque on the script, camera angles, acting and so on

          Now for your lesson, do an unbiased review of Naruto, can you do it?
          It’s quite easy I assure you

          TTrasengan (2 years ago)

          @Guy, are you a professional critic? Like when movies release their trailers with critic reviews are you ever quoted? If so then I don’t see your point. Saying that you would critique a movie factoring script, acting, camera angles, etc. just means you’re giving your opinion on categories of the movie’s production. Again how does that make it anything more than that? If you then decide to write an “unbiased” review and I read it, I would look at your points and based on my tastes and what your opinion was on those aspects I would decide whether or not I agree with your “unbiased” opinion or not. Yet it doesn’t change the fact that your resulting vote of whether a story is good or bad is just an opinion. An example, I watched a movie called “Boyhood” that got like 98% or something like that on the critic review site rotten tomatoes. I watched it and wondered what in the world is wrong with those critics? It was singlehandedly THE most boring movie I ever watched, and THE worst story ever told in my opinion, like nothing happened. Therefore any review of anything, will always be biased to what the viewer looks for and considers good in their OPINION. You say an “unbiased” review makes the resulting vote a fact, yet as long as others disagree and that resulting vote is up for debate it will NEVER be a fact as a fact is, by definition, “a thing that is indisputably the case”. Therefore it is an opinion of the individual. The only “lesson” here is that your perception of your so called “critiques” is incredibly deluded. So I will say again your OPINION of Naruto being bad, does not make it a fact as it is a disputed case based on your opinions of what makes a story good. While your opinion is shared, and so is mine of Naruto being great, both are completely subjective.

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

We know that your bias towards Sakura makes you claim the entire series has been ruined.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Well if i’d be my bias towards Sakura that makes me claim that the entire series has been ruined, why is it that I’m not the only one saying the series is ruined.
    You just say that because you have no other argument in order to prove that the series wasn’t ruined and that characters went OOC, themes, plots and whatnot were retconed, so on and so forth. And you don’t say that because of my “whims”. You say that because you wanna apparently “laugh in my face” or whatever you guys keep talking about on forums and Tumblr and all that “because my ship didn’t happen”. Because to you, that’s all this manga was about: ships.

      Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

      Sure, because tons of NaruSaku fans from your beloved NaruSaku Com + the otakus of japanese are knowing much better what should it be. You who said that “5 chapters only left, who cares, it will be NaruSaku so this manga perfect”, then 5 chapters later “WTF, WORST MANGA EVER”!

      Oh and it’s funny that you who only bashed sometimes the manga ONLY because you wanted more NaruSaku and “badass females” suddenly started to care about the plot, the sub-plots, the questions and other stuff while the REAL fans already told that 5 chapters WON’T be enough to give an ending that would satisfy everyone, specialy since Kishimoto didn’t kill anyone in the war except Neji.

      So yes Chatte, the only one who truly cares for shipping is you and NaruSaku fans.

      Where do I know? Because while those who never shipped anything in Naruto and disliked the ending wanted + 2-3 arcs between chapter 699 and the epilouge chapter, while you and your NaruSaku otakus ONLY want to change 1, repeat, ONE chapter! Not wanting + 2-3 arcs before the final chapter to get satisfying answers, nooooo, you and NaruSaku otakus want to change one 16 pages long chapter only because of shipping!

        narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

        I hate how Anti Ending people try to be “critics” to Naruto even though its quality dropped greatly after Part 1, they really are “salty” because Kishi even said he sucks at writing women so if you were to accuse him of being sexist you should have done it long ago…..

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Naruto’s awesome and Bundy

          Most of the anti ending people had their heads enlightened by how bad this series ended and thus they were able to indentify errors and mistakes in the series that they didn’t indetified before because of pairing glasses ( its sad but its the truth)

          I already knew the series was going downhill ever since the end of Pein arc but a few people tried to defend it because well they had hope that in the end Naruto would be able to somehow tie everything up however, what can they do if kishimoto ruined everything thanks to his naive and pushover personality?

          I’d say the pro ending people are the ones who are truly blind because the still aren’t able to indentify how much of this series became crap and so they still defend kishimot’s god awful writing

          narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

          The quality greatly dropped after Part 1 but it really started getting bad after Sasuke killed Itachi not the Pain Arc, that ending was disgusting and made the entire arc look like filler……….

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Yeah, I kind of agree @naruto’s awesome

          That mass ressurection thing was horrible :D.
          I just kinda of say “after Pein arc” because even thought there were already signs of how bad the story was going to become I ended up liking the Pein fight lol

          But yeah, things have been getting really bad since the aftermath of Sasuke vs Itachi. Ever since Yahagi left kishimoto’s team

      amy (3 years ago)

      reversely chatte – care to explain how characters were OOC. give me citations of these as well as retconed stuff. im pretty sure your OOC claims are because the characters were different from YOUR OWN headcanons.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        Just watch the last, Amy, its blatant how Naruto’s character was twisted over there to accomodate NH

        That’s why I say NH was an okay pairing if not a little underdeveloped thanks to Kishi’s “genius” skills, however the last completely warped everything up for it to happen and made a joke out of it. I can’t take the pairing seriously anymore

        An example is Naruto having an emotional understanding of a child, being capable of misinterpreting Hinata’s 437 “on your face” confession. Naruto giving up on the entire world for his own selfish reasons ( Hinata left for Toneri without further explanations and he just stays there looking down and pathetic the whole time, he doesn’t think of what will happen to thw whole world if he doesnt act he doesnt even doubt the reason Hinata went there, he can only think ” I’ve been rejected”)…in resume they somehow made Naruto go back to the mental age of a child/pre-teen.

          amy (3 years ago)

          @guy – so do you mean to say, naruto is incapable of feeling depressed even when he has been canonically shown to be depressed several times during the course of the manga? also given naruto’s character and background, are you absolutely sure he grew out of, matured in some aspects of his emotional maturity? reversely, don’t you think naruto Loving and pursuing sakura would make him the biggest OOC and douche character because canon naruto KNOWS the true feelings of sasuke, his bestfriend-brother, and sakura – his friend-teammate, and still he will pursue her and drive a wedge between the three of them?

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          This is such a weak argument knowing that Sasuke had no interest in Sakura and as for Sakura he didn’t push his love onto her until he can fulfill the promise. Really now. Try better.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @amy
          He can feel depressed, it’s just that the last used a weak excuse for it to make some weak drama.
          In the last he gets depressed because he gets rejected when the whole world is at stake….well yeah good going hero

          Naruto, the guy who insisted on Sasuke even when the world was against him…gave up because of rejection.
          No matter how you look at it this is OOC

          For example, one instance in the manga where you could see this giving up thing done right, in the pein arc, when he is affected by the fox and pein’s words, his ideals and reasons detroyed, he doesnt have an answer for Pin. that was pretty serious, so much, he would die if it wasnt for Minato
          Now that I could understand

          What happened in the last was just a cheap excuse to create drama. Real Naruto would probably insist on going after Hinata ans ask her why she left, or even better he would stop and rationalize with Shikamru she did it because of her sister.

          And no, making Naruto at least reveal his feelings for Sakura wouldn’t make he OOC, on the contrary, it would conclude the foreshadowing that he would reveal his feelings once Sasuke got back. Then Sakura would either accept him or reject him.
          If she rejected she and Naruto would become better friends, and Naruto could move on somehow, however what happened in the last? Somehow they had to retcon Naruto’s personality and thoughts, and even his emotional maturity, they retconned his feelings for Sakura just for the sake that another pairing could be played in the “first love ” angle, and that was quite dumb I mean NH wouldn’t be diminished if Hinata wasnt Naruto first love

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

I say that because you are obsessed with deifying Sakura and insisting because your selfish whims were not satisfied the series is horrible.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    I’m obsessed with doing what to Sakura? Insisting because of my selfish whims?

    I’m sorry, but Kishi isn’t talking about me or people like me when referring at the letters he received from fans that screamed “we want Hinata, Hinata!”. So you see, your statement is not only invalid but looks silly as hell knowing the information we know. ;)

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      Kishimoto is not talking about people like you since you NaruSaku tards threatened to kill him and his assistants on Twitter or created Facebook pages calling for his murder. He has no reason to listen to extremists who delude themselves into believing the series was created for them.

      Sakura is a messiah to you. The fact you write posts excusing her character flaws while glorifying her virtues confirms this.

        narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

        Lol, but to be fair all paring fans are crazy the same shit would happen with NH/SS if NS/SK was canon……

          Clan Lord Uzumaki (3 years ago)

          I agree; I used to be a pairing fan, but eventually I just realized I didn’t really care who Naruto ended up with romantically. Obsessing over pairings in a non-romantic manga just causes problems

        Guy (3 years ago)

        Jeff

        You keep saying about this whole kill business but did you knew some NH fans did this back some years ago?

        And also good job generalizing all the fandom for one , two people’s actions

          Ryousan (3 years ago)

          Weel Huy, I donpt see you scolding the NS gang for claiming that NH/SS shippers are braindead cattle

          Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

          I heard about it was just as disgusted as I was now.

          Did they circulate an online petition calling for a ban of manga in North America because of the official couple in the ending?

          You are lecturing me on generalizing your fandom but you believe anybody who liked the ending is blind and stupid or claiming your false information you present is fact.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Ryousan

          I don’t do this. Regarding fandom generalization, I just have a view that going by the fact that canon people usually tend to ignore other problems of the story and lump anti’s as just “salty over a pairing”, I can’t hope but actually think that they are the ones who are actually blinded by the fact that their pairing happened

          And yeah, in fact some SS/NH canon shippers seemingly operate in a hive mind and act like brain dead cattle. I can’t do nothing about that. Tumblr is full of them

          I don’t like generalizing since there are those rare NH/SS fans that can see how bad the story turned out to be but still like their pairing

          Jeff

          The petition wasn’t an act of the whole fandom, as the act of art theft done by some NH/SS wast the act of their whole fandom Ieven though a lot of them encouraged it)

          In fact the petition was revealed to be made by a NH fan if I’m not mistaken, who was trying to troll people regarding the NS fandom

          And yeah, its not generalizing, its just my view
          I can’t fathom that anyone who liked the ending could like for something othetr than the fact that their pairing happened since it was that bad, this or they really had LOW expectations of this series and were actually okay with the destruction of plot points that happened during the war arc

          Ryousan (3 years ago)

          ” just have a view that going by the fact that canon people usually tend to ignore other problems of the story and lump anti’s as just “salty over a pairing”

          You mean as most of the fandom did BEFORE the ending? Because I am aware there were flaws int he story telling, and some arcs became rather boring. The thing is still I still found it enoyable, AS MOST OF THE FANDOM DID

          “I don’t like generalizing since there are those rare NH/SS fans that can see how bad the story turned out to be but still like their pairing”

          So, according to you, there is no way an NH/SS shipper could like the ending and be reasonable about it…?

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Ryousan

          “You mean as most of the fandom did BEFORE the ending? Because I am aware there were flaws int he story telling, and some arcs became rather boring. The thing is still I still found it enoyable, AS MOST OF THE FANDOM DID”

          –Well before the ending, most of the fandoms had pairing glasses (mainly the pairing ones), and as such they couldn’t analyse the story properly.
          This ending was horrible and thus permited a lot of pairing fans to atually see how the story was going downhill specially on these later arcs. The ones who still haven’t seen this yet are the ones blinded by the fact that their pairing happened.
          Rest assured if NS happened rergadless if the execution turned out bad, I’m sure some NS fans would also be blinded by their pairing, but alas NH and SS happened, so the ones who are blind come from these pairing, futhermore their execution was bad above everything and as such it contributed to the overall shitty quality this series estabilished as trademark in the later arcs,

          Personal enjoyment is a matter of taste, but its a fact that the overall Naruto’s plot quality had been dropping a lot. I already recognized this since the end of the Pein arc, I had doubts Kishimoto would be able to succesfully address the complex themes he set up at the end of that arc and as I thought he completely forgot about it or destroyed other plot themes

          I like NS, but I didn’t even let it affect my view of this series, I knew that the ending was going to be crap no matter the pairing ever since kishimoto said that only 5 chapters were left since 695

          “So, according to you, there is no way an NH/SS shipper could like the ending and be reasonable about it…?”

          Well, they could like the fact that their pairings happened in the end, but if they are fans of the story and foremost the plot, they also should acknowledge the execution of the pairings left a lot to be desired.
          They also should recognize the fact that the story wasnt that good and in the later arcs it was becoming worse.

          In resume: They can ship and like their pairings and even like the ending in a personal context granted this would mean they are first fans of the pairing first and foremost

          Ryousan (3 years ago)

          “Personal enjoyment is a matter of taste, but its a fact that the overall Naruto’s plot quality had been dropping a lot.”

          I think that is debatable. To look no further, just look at DB: the story isn`t a masterpiece of storytelling and yet most people find it enjoyable even in the arcs that weren`t part of Toriyama`s original work, such as the Majin Boo Arc. Yet they are not disregarded as filler lovers or fake DB fans(as happens with the Shipping Wars in Naruto)

          Hell, I even know people who like that GT aberration. Which leaves with only two opions: people nowadays are easy to please, and that pehaps it wasn`t THAT BAD…

          I would describe the ending of Naruto as the Imperfect conclusion of an Imperfect story about the Imperfections of the world.

          “I knew that the ending was going to be crap no matter the pairing ever since kishimoto said that only 5 chapters were left since 695″

          I`m glad that at least you have that degree of intellectual honesty.

          “they also should acknowledge the execution of the pairings left a lot to be desired.”

          As you have stablshed the series itself left a lot to be desired. Which brings me back tot he fact that, despite of that, here are people, more people than the NS gang thinks, tha have solid grounds to like the ending.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Ryousan

          –Naruto is not like DB
          DB kept things simple, Naruto overcomplicated stuff. DB was sucessful because of it, Naruto got progressively worse
          because kishi didn’t know where to take the story

          –GT is filler so it doesnt count

          –I think NS could do better than SS and NH in the end because they had more development together and they don’t carry the weight of negative development SS carries.
          NH could be good too but the LAst ruined it

          So as I see if at least NS had been canon with some changes in the story and some extra chapters then at least in the end Naruto could have ended with a passable ending. It would still probably be bad if we compare with other series but it would be able to stand on its own

        Shitimoto (3 years ago)

        I don’t think i would break if he would run infront of my car.
        I don’t care about the girls at all, and even i would love to see Godzilla stomp on his balls.
        He would deserve that for completely ruining the ending, and not resolving the story that he promised us.
        This is basically a scam. We were promised a fight to the death between Naruto and Sasuke, and we never got it.
        He should personally refund everyone for everything, since he personally screwed us over and lied to us.
        I bet i spend over 1000 bucks on Naruto stuff in the past, and i regret spending every single cent. Could have as well donate the money to a company that makes nothing but prank calls… Just making people’s life worse… for… what? Certainly not money… because he loses TONS of money in the future, for screwing over his fans.

      Rex Julius (3 years ago)

      LOL silly liar!

      So bad that unlike NaruSaku fans there are no proof to your anti-Hinata craps. ;P

      We can show videos where NaruSaku fans wrotte “We will kill kishimoto if he won’t change the ending” while there are no evidences except some “anonymus japanese friends” whom you don’t even adress. ;P

      So yeah, you are trying to framing others with no evidences while there are tons of againts you and other NS fans. ;P

        Guy (3 years ago)

        @Rex Julius

        Why do you guys keep generalizing the fandom?
        Every fandom has it’s bad apples. Not all NS fans should be blamed for a thing like that, seriously that is the same thing if I blame ALL the SS/NH people abut making that absolute horrible petition about putting NS fans into a mental asylum, and then continue to blame ALL of them for the multiple art thefts they’ve done on NS artists -_-
        It doesnt work like that, and LOL now you are trying to put me at blame too? Like I have something to do with those kishimoto death threats? Really ? This is pathetic.

        Besides, it is known before the ending, some NH fns also said they would “kill kishimoto if NH doesnt happen”, but different than you I don’t generalize :p

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          “Why do you guys keep generalizing the fandom?

          It doesnt work like that, and LOL now you are trying to put me at blame too? Like I have something to do with those kishimoto death threats? Really ? This is pathetic.

          Besides, it is known before the ending, some NH fns also said they would “kill kishimoto if NH doesnt happen”, but different than you I don’t generalize :p”

          Because dear Chatte not doing the “same” aka generalising?

          Coming from someone who just, with no evidence, only because I accidently found you on youtube? LOL.

          Uhuh, because NaruSaku fans didn’t said “I fucking hope Kishi will shake off Hinata’s shitty confession and never let NH happen”, right? Wait. happened.

          “Why are you so desperate for a interview with kishi ballbusting NS yet again?
          Are you somehow still butthurt?”

          Since unlike you I read Naruto because what it was really about (Naruto getting the Hokage hat and redeem Sasuke), not really, I am just interested in your logic what you will happen if Kishimoto will do this. Will you still clinging into them or will your drop them and calling “meaningless scenes” too.

          Yes, YOU are still butthurt because the oblivious financial successes of Volume 72 (over 1.4 million sold copies while the NaruSaku CPR volume still didn’t reach 800,000 copies), The Last (1.94 billion yen + highest foreigner box offices from all Naruto movies), and that the novels also selling well while all you can do struggling againts people even on NaruSaku sites and forums is the proof.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          “Because dear Chatte not doing the “same” aka generalising?”

          –She did? I never actually paid attention about the times she talked about the NH/SS fandom but if she did she is wrong, not all NH/SS are brainless ships just those who are still blindly following canon (AKA you)

          “Coming from someone who just, with no evidence, only because I accidently found you on youtube? LOL.”

          –Oh, so you admit it was you? You sure love to contradict yourself don’t you

          “Uhuh, because NaruSaku fans didn’t said “I fucking hope Kishi will shake off Hinata’s shitty confession and never let NH happen”, right? Wait. happened.”

          —Some Narusaku fans said, that, not the entire fanbase. And the same can be said for a part of the NH fanbase or the SS moment during some moments in the manga, For example some NH fans were seething with rage ans wished the death of Sai after chapter 458

          See how I don’t generalise?

          “Since unlike you I read Naruto because what it was really about (Naruto getting the Hokage hat and redeem Sasuke), not really, I am just interested in your logic what you will happen if Kishimoto will do this. Will you still clinging into them or will your drop them and calling “meaningless scenes” too.”

          —This just proved you didn’t really read Naruto, from the beginning of part 2 it was never about putting hokage hat, it was about saving Sasuke and then about ending the cycle of hatred. He learned from Itachi that a hokage doesnt become a hokage because for acknowledgement but because of the people.

          Though in the end kishimoto failed to properly address the cycle of hatred and gurther corrupted other plot themes like the destiny one

          Futhermore subplots like the pairing one were not handled well, and subplots directly affect people’s enjoyment of hte story

          What you did here was just a poor try to say that Naruto ended well without truly analyzing the story.

          And thank you for answering my question implicitly

          You are indeed still butthurt

          “Yes, YOU are still butthurt because the oblivious financial successes of Volume 72 (over 1.4 million sold copies while the NaruSaku CPR volume still didn’t reach 800,000 copies), The Last (1.94 billion yen + highest foreigner box offices from all Naruto movies), and that the novels also selling well while all you can do struggling againts people even on NaruSaku sites and forums is the proof.”

          —-Normal volumes of AOT and OP sell more than this, for a series as big as Naruto once was its underwhelming, even more for a final volume.
          The Last failed, It had not only the worst transition of the story of Naruto movies but also the income wasnt the expected to completely cover the costs

          And unlike you I have sources

          “Source: ch2

          今年のNARUTOの映画 初動5.2億/公開から40日経った現在 18.5億(3.6倍推移)

          This year’s Naruto movie, initial revenue was at JPY 520 million, after 40 days of screening only made JPY 1.85 billion (3.6 times transition)

          2014年の初動5億の映画

          2014 movies with initial revenue of JPY 500 million

          1)

          永遠の0(2013年末公開) 初動5.4億 / 最終85億 (15.7倍推移)

          Eien no Zero: initial JPY 540 million / final JPY 8.5 billion (15.7 times transition)

          2)
          GODZILLA ゴジラ 初動5.1億 / 最終31.4億 (6.2倍推移)

          GODZILLA: initial JPY 510 million / final JPY 3.14 billion (6.2 times transition)

          3)
          テルマエ・ロマエⅡ 初動4.9億 / 最終43.1億 (8.8倍推移)

          Thermae Romae II: initial JPY 490 million / final JPY 4.31 billion (8.8 times transition)

          4)
          トランスフォーマー・ロストエイジ 初動4.8億 / 最終29.4億 (6.1倍推移)

          Transformers – Age of Extinction: initial JPY 480 million / final JPY 2.94 billion (6.1 times transition)

          5)

          評判があんな悪い実写ルパン三世でも初動4.4億 / 最終24億 (5.5倍推移)

          Even that well-known bad live action of Lupin III: initial JPY 440 million / final JPY 2.4 billion (5.5 times transition)

          あと、一応、初動5億のアニメ映画との比較として

          Tentatively, compared with the animated film with initial JPY 500 million revenue
          エヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:破 初動5.1億 / 最終40億 (7.8倍推移)

          EVANGELION:2.0 YOU CAN (NOT) ADVANCE: initial JPY 510 million / final JPY 4 billion (7.8 times transition)

          ———————————————

          Previous Naruto movies:

          04年 「大活劇!雪姫忍法帖だってばよ!!」 初動3.5億 / 最終13.7億 (3.9倍推移)

          Naruto the Movie: Ninja Clash in the Land of Snow: initial JPY 350 million / final JPY 1.37 billion (3.9 times transition)

          05年 「大激突!幻の地底遺跡だってばよ」 初動2.2億 / 最終11.8億 (5.4倍推移)

          Naruto the Movie: Legend of the Stone of Gelel: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.18 billion (5.4 times transition)

          06年 「大興奮!みかづき島のアニマル騒動だってばよ」初動1.2億 / 最終7.8億 (6.5倍推移)

          Naruto the Movie: Guardians of the Crescent Moon Kingdom: initial JPY 120 million / final JPY 780 million (6.5 times transition)

          07年 「疾風伝」初動2.2億 / 最終12.1億 (5.5倍推移)

          Shippuuden: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.21 billion (5.5 times transition)

          08年 「疾風伝 絆」初動2.2億 / 最終11.6億円 (5.3倍推移)

          Shippuuden – Kizuna: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.16 billion (5.3 times transition)

          09年 「疾風伝 火の意志を継ぐ者」初動1.9億 / 最終10.2億 (5.4倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Will of Fire: initial JPY 190 million / final JPY 1.02 billion (5.4 times transition)

          10年 「疾風伝 ザ・ロストタワー」初動1.7億 / 最終10.3億円 (6倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Lost Tower: initial JPY 170 million / final JPY 1.03 billion (6 times transition)

          11年 「ブラッド・プリズン」初動1.3億 / 最終8.4億円 (6.5倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: Blood Prison: initial JPY 130 million / final JPY 840 million (6.5 times transition)

          12年 「ROAD TO NINJA」初動3億 / 最終14.8億 (4.9倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: ROAD TO NINJA: initial JPY 300 million / final JPY 1.48 billion (4.9 times transition)

          14年 「THE LAST」初動5.2億 / 最終 恐らく19億 (3.6~7倍推移)←過去最低推移

          THE LAST: initial JPY 520 million / estimated final JPY 1.9 billion (3.6~7 times transition) <— The worst transition"

          See?
          Now, really I have even more don't worry

          "Just to compare with other popular series and their latest movie release (my source is boxofficemojo, you can google it on your own)
          – Metantei Conan made 36 million
          – Dragon Ball Z made 47 million
          – Evangelion made 60 million
          – One Piece made 68 million
          – Doraemon made 80 million

          The Last Naruto movie barely made 50% of what Metantei Conan made. Don’t even compare it to the likes of DBZ, Evangelion, or One Piece.

          None of us know how much budget it has, but the rumored 12 million only for production cost does not seem to be far fetched (given the quality of the animation, etc). You know Hayao Miyazaki’s Wind Rises? That movie had 30 million budget (estimated), and made 117 million. So, in terms of money invested vs money earned, Naruto’s RTN gave a better value (4 million production cost with 17 million gross sales)"

          —This didn't actually came from me, so props to "Observer" but its an interesting fact, you see if you actually look through the shallows news released by the media its quite obvious the Last failed

amy (3 years ago)

“friend in japan” this friend keeps popping up in your side of the fandom.

SasukeFTW (3 years ago)

The POAL needs no words, Narudo brought back the Sauce and its been one year to 699 i’m sure Narudo and Sakura talked and besides why do you make it seem like if they did talk a lot they would be a couple. The Bench scene is also irrelevant as it is not brought up at all by Sakura the “crutch” of her love for Sasuke was the “Thank You” scene. Delusional Staus – High

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    I’m not even dignify this with an answer. Pfft, you make me laugh. You don’t even understand the point here.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    “I’m sure Naruto and Sakura talked…”

    Rule Number 10 in literary works
    * Show, don’t tell *( he didn’t even told us, as matter of fact)

      narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

      Why do Naruto/Sakura need to talk, they had the whole series as being close comrads that’s just a stupid argument to why the ending was bad..

        Guy (3 years ago)

        @Naruto’s awesome

        NS was a thing it needed to be adressed, Naruto’s feelings were there, no question. If Naruto was suppposed to be with Hinata then in the end he should at least get closure as well as Sakura should expose what she really felt

        In the end the talk was so essential that Kishimoto had to do this in the last but it ended up backfiring because it not only made Naruto OOC, retconing his selfless personality from early in the story, with that rivalry BS,but it also made stupid excuses like ” a girl heart can’t change”.

        I mean, if kishimoto wanted NH couldn’t he make Naruto and Sakura have a heart to heart and then Naruto just move on?
        No he had to find a manner to destroy his characters even more

          narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

          It didn’t need to be addressed as it is very irrelevant to the core story.
          What’s up with people thinking Naruto is “selfless” he told the Hokage that a missing- nin who went with the person who destroyed Konoha and killed the Thrid should be protected and not killed, in the Five Kage Arc he took no advice from people who were right and acted like a bitch to them (Gaara)….
          The Last says that it is HARD for a girl to change feelings from the one she loves not that she can’t. And the Rival thing isn’t that hard to believe when Naruto talks about beating Sasuke he almost always brings up wanting to impress Sakura (He was a kid……), he gets mad when Sakura is focused on Sasuke and even went to the lengths to turn into Sasuke and try to be a ass to Sakura. Seriously the only evidence that Naruto “loves” Sakura was that scene with him/Sai…

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Naruto’s awesmoe

          If the pairing subplot didn’t end open ended, NS needed to be adressed, since its main part of this subplot
          Thats why kishi addressed it in the last and subsequently failed on it

          Its pretty much a given that Naruto has feelings for Sakura, not only the Sai scene, but all part 1 is there to show us
          However they retconned this too

          amy (3 years ago)

          again, here with the NS entitlements. NS is not a thing that needs to be addressed for the Naruto series to have a satisfactory ending. They were friends and comrades. Naruto may have had a crush on her but that’s the end – no lingering feelings on both sakura and naruto. Its like saying that before you get married you need to “address” all your previous crushes and flings – that’s just silly. Naruto does not have any romantic feelings for sakura at all so he didn’t need to address anything. and this is not just with Hinata, Naruto could have gotten together with anyone and still he does not need to address his and sakura’s relationship

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Great show of selective reading @amy
          Naruto loved Sakura, if they wanted to have a clean pairing resolution this needed to be addressed somehow and thats why kishimoto did in the last, but he utterly failed

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          “NS was a thing it needed to be adressed, Naruto’s feelings were there, no question. ”

          LOL, and NaruSaku fans saying that it is not about shipping? ;P

          Sorry, but NS was never needed to be adressed, specialy not after chapter 474 where after Naruto never showned any romantic thoughts for Sakura again (comic relief like chapter 631 don’t count just like fillers) and even in chapter 691 when Minato was fading away Naruto didn’t said anything about Sakura. ;P

          “I mean, if kishimoto wanted NH couldn’t he make Naruto and Sakura have a heart to heart and then Naruto just move on?”

          LOL, sorry, but I have a strong feeling that NS fans like Chatte and you wouldn’t accept even the best, most logical sounding reason why Naruto would move on from Sakura to Hinata and this is a fact. ;P

          Do you remember the fake spoilers where it was stated that Naruto moved on because he started to realise that Sakura might not be the girl he truly wanted and sees Sakura now more like a sister than a love interest? What was NS fans’s reactions? Oh, yeah: “f*ck you, bullsh*tt, kill ********, f*ck your f*cky duck” and so on.

          So let’s be fair: even if there would be more reasoning or logical reason NS fans still would finding excuses.

          amy (3 years ago)

          @guy, now I get accused of selective reading?? – HOLY COW! this coming from you who thinks Naruto’s ending would be “at least” passable had naruto addressed his relationship with sakura – which by the way is soooo effing selective (whut? what OTHER RELEVANT plots are there besides naruto’s feelings for sakura? none is greater!). there was nothing to address, sakura wasn’t and never pined for naruto and naruto never wanted sakura for himself either. even the POAL which NS always believe were the core of their relationship was Naruto promising sakura to bring sasuke back because he knows of her feelings for sasuke.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Rex Julius

          “LOL, and NaruSaku fans saying that it is not about shipping? ;P”

          –In relation to the shipping subplot, NS was a thing that needed to be addressed, and thats why kishimoto did this in the last…but he failed
          Its not about shipping, if NS had some kind of closure then at least it could end well, it wouldn’t take the negative development of SS and the underdevelopment of NH away but it would help.

          “Sorry, but NS was never needed to be adressed, specialy not after chapter 474 where after Naruto never showned any romantic thoughts for Sakura again (comic relief like chapter 631 don’t count just like fillers) and even in chapter 691 when Minato was fading away Naruto didn’t said anything about Sakura. ;P”

          —Then why kishimoto did this in the Last? :p Naruto’s feelings for Sakura were there, they never went away. Just because he isn’t a romance driven character like the pairing fodders Sakura or Hinata doesnt mean he didn’t still had feelings for Sakura, even more because the last confirmation of loving her came from him, and he was never shown changing his mind till the last, so really everything you say about “well but Naruto stopped loving sakura and then…”, its just mere (and unbased) speculation, the last time we got confirmation of his feelings in the manga he loved her. Period.

          Then the last came and kishimoto tried to address NS but failed miserably, not only he hurt the characters tremenduosly that way he did but he retconned fundamental aspects of the MC.

          “I mean, if kishimoto wanted NH couldn’t he make Naruto and Sakura have a heart to heart and then Naruto just move on?”

          —Do you count your opinions as facts? The pairing subplot would still be bad thanks to the negative development of SS ( the underdevelopment of NH could be worked upon), but if NS had a nice closure then this would at least help to close the pairing subplot in relative cohesion with the story.

          “Do you remember the fake spoilers where it was stated that Naruto moved on because he started to realise that Sakura might not be the girl he truly wanted and sees Sakura now more like a sister than a love interest? What was NS fans’s reactions? Oh, yeah: “f*ck you, bullsh*tt, kill ********, f*ck your f*cky duck” and so on.”

          —Well but thats a shitty resolution,Naruto just moving on without addressing his feelings to her makes little sense.
          A good one would be Naruto doing what was foreshadowing and confessing to Sakura, she would either accept him or reject him, IF she rejected him Naruto could man up and move on, the friendship of both of them getting a good boost from this.

          “So let’s be fair: even if there would be more reasoning or logical reason NS fans still would finding excuses.”

          –I don’t know about the rest of them, but not me.
          As I said, the SS pairing makes the pairing subplot inherently bad and negative because of the way it was worked out through the story, NH less so (but it managed to help ruin the story during the last too, in fact I’d say NH would be better off without the last)
          A good closure on NS would at least help in this subplot, in my opinion

          Futhermore we are discussing about pairings here, but they are a subplot, they aren’t the main reason why the later arcs and the ending turned out bad, though they are part of it too.

          @amy

          ” now I get accused of selective reading?? – HOLY COW! this coming from you who thinks Naruto’s ending would be “at least” passable had naruto addressed his relationship with sakura – which by the way is soooo effing selective (whut? what OTHER RELEVANT plots are there besides naruto’s feelings for sakura? none is greater!). there was nothing to address, sakura wasn’t and never pined for naruto and naruto never wanted sakura for himself either. even the POAL which NS always believe were the core of their relationship was Naruto promising sakura to bring sasuke back because he knows of her feelings for sasuke.”

          –Welp, now you are putting words on my mouth, I never said NS was important to the main plot themes, I said it was important to the pairing subplot and I never said the ending would be passable because of NS, it would be bad either way with only 5 to end chapters from 695 . I simply said the pairing subplot wold end a little better than it ended

          –Let me put this way, if NS happened somehow Sakura needed to have closure on her feelings for Sasuke doesn’t she? Hinata would be optional to show but she also needed to have closure on her feelings for Naruto. If NS happened without these things it would just look half assed :D
          Which is WHY Kishi had to address NS ! And he did it in the last and subsequently failed!
          So yeah, sorry to say but you have selective reading ;)

          –Another case of selective reading: “sakura wasn’t and never pined for naruto and naruto never wanted sakura for himself either”
          Seriously take your pairing glasses for a minute…did you take them off? good
          Now go to chapter 459, where Naruto tells Sai he loves her and then Sai tells Sakura and she easily believes :p. Then go to the Sai -sasuke arc or the other moments where Sakura is hinted to have feelings for Naruto diverse times.
          But even if in late part 2 Sakura’s one sided selfish love for Sasuke was brought back, this is still not reason why Naruto’s feelings shouldn’t have to be addressed for reasons I already said before :D

          –Well you got the feeling of the POAL, you just lacked the part where Naruto showed selflessness about his own feelings and put Sakura’s as more important than his own.

      dash (3 years ago)

      another rule , EDIT EDIT EDIT – the manga is entitled NARUTO not sasuke and sakura so your show don’t tell doest apply

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        Actually it does if you’re respectable enough with yourself and your creation.

          Guest (2 years ago)

          You know I don’t usually reply to blogs or comments, but this time I had to say something. I’m not here to disrespect anyone and these are just my thoughts so keep that in mind before any of you decide to bash me. I just want to say that I can’t believe what some of the people in this fandom have to say. I understand being upset about the ending and being upset that naruto and sakura didn’t end up together. I’m going to admit that had naruto and hinata not ended up together I would have been a little disappointed, but that was never the central theme of the story. I wanted naruto to become hokage and accomplish his dream of getting his friend back. Maybe find out where he comes from, who his parents are, achieve the acknowledgement he craved. That is what Naruto was about, and yet so many people are more concerned about who he ended up with. Does no one care about those things? If those things happened in the show, didn’t he do his job? The pairings were never a main part of this show. No one had girlfriends or boyfriends unless you count Kurenai and Asuma. If anything pairings were teased and not established so why is everyone so mad that their pairings didn’t happen. It’s not as if they were promised to us. Like I said had Naruto not ended up with Hinata I would have been disappointed but it would have been….”Aww man, he’s with Sakura, that sucks….oh well at least he’s Hokage and a kick ass ninja and got Sasuke to come back. Job well done.

          A relationship with my favorite ship would have always been a side note. I loved Hinata from the beginning. A relationship between Naruto and Hinata has been obvious to me from the get go. I’m not going to bother explaining why because I know that people will just counter everything I have to say. I never liked Sakura for many reasons, however, my dislike of her does not take away from her heroine status. This nonsense about Sakura being dethroned makes no sense. The series is over and she will always be known as the heroine of the series. Hinata ending up with Naruto does not automatically mean she becomes more important, that is not how it works and I’m not sure how people came to this conclusion. Isn’t Sakura one of the characters that is going to get her own novel? Hinata isn’t getting one. That should be proof enough that she will always be the heroine…at least until the mini series.

          I ending seemed rushed I will admit that. That being said, I feel like it would have ending that way regardless. Besides the pairings how else would you have expected the series to end? Some things were left open for interpretation but that was done deliberately. Kishimoto isn’t finished yet and I think people forget that. Our questions will be answered soon enough.

          The main reason for my post is to defend Kishimoto. He gave us a great story. Was it perfect? Of course not, many stories aren’t. But I’m not going to sit here and say that he was a terrible writer or he did this and he did that just because of the problems I’ve had with the show. All of us became invested in the show enough that we have feelings about it. Instead of bashing him, the ending, the characters we need to say thank you for what he gave us. If the show wasn’t as good as it was there would be no anger at all. Am I right? Once again everyone is entitled to their opinions and these just happen to be mine.

          Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

          Thank you for your opinion that’s all I can say.
          There was a time where I would’ve defended Kishimoto up to the Heavens but not day. Not for what he did and most likely not for HOW he did it. I respect that you have your view, I have mine.
          I know the background I come from and there was a reason I left that background in the first place. But I guess to each their own. :)

        Guy (3 years ago)

        @dash, your argument makes no sense
        Sakura is one of the MC’s, Sasuke was too and half of this manga was about him, we had more info on his clan backstory than Naruto’s

        So I fail to see why couldn’t kishi focus more on Sakura –oh yeah, its because of popularity *sigh*

        A good author doesn’t let popularity ruin his work

          moot (3 years ago)

          No, sakura was MC by default bec she was with naruto and sasuke in team 7, but in terms of the core story, she is irrelevant. you could’ve swapped her with anyone and the story remains the same. Naruto’s attention on her was mainly because of sasuke, without sasuke, naruto and sakura wouldn’t even be friends (need I remind you sakura was an ass to naruto). so no, this level of closure is enough for sakura’s character – its assuming people who think sakura failed to have a good ending because they ASSUMED she is currently unhappy just because the manga did not show her partying hard while being head of the most successful hospital franchise -_-;

          Guy (3 years ago)

          The fact that you think like this just shows how much Kishi failed regarding his heronie, moot

          Besides the fact that she is “happý”, doesnt mean her ending was good.

          In the end Sakura was just a poor heroine, a pairing fodder, the manga could show her being sucessfull in other ways other than appearing at a hospital (tho this could work too) . Her goal was to catch up with her teammates at least, to stand on her own, she never managed this and instead the manga shows her wilting everytime Sasuke is shown in the picture

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          Then Toriyama Akira is even worse than Ksihimoto:

          He wanted make Gohan the new protagonist but because of popularity he had to bring back Goku.

          He wanted to end the manga at Frieza, but because of popularity he had to create 2 new sagas (Cell and Buu) where logic totally died out.

          And so on.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Rex Julius
          Taking decisions based on populairyt is bad but some Jump ediors work like this, some authors don’t have any force to fight them back and others simply accept it

          Case in point Oda, Togashi, and some other authors don’t make this mistake

          About Akira…this is relative, the popularity based decisions the editors forced Akira too took didn’t really affected the flow of the story, they made the Boo saga a little bit contrived but didn’t affected much. This happened mainly because DB is a simple story and as such Akira didn’t complicated himself in a mess of plot threads, themes and points.So even though its a bad idea to took these decisions they didn’t affect the story that much

          Naruto is different because the story was trying to convey a message it had plot themes and points, in mid to late part 2 this got even messier Naruto overcomplicated stuff, anf then the ending tried to regard things as simple again. The popularity affected Naruto worse than DB because it deeply affected the story’s messages and some plot point.

          Vic (3 years ago)

          Some people don’t understand that Naruto went to look for Sasuke cause Sakura was in pain and he loved her so much that he was stupid enough to say he is gonna bring his rival back even if it takes him a lifetime.. That everything he did was link to Sakura somehow.. it never link back to Hinata..That for the most part Sakura was confused over her feelings..the pinnacle of this is who she went to save in the Madara fight.. and you can’t turn a blind eye to that..She went to save Naruto… that is how important Naruto is over Sasuke in her heart. When it comes to her reasons for love she jumps to Sasuke cause she thinks he as a child return her feelings.. It is not a hidden truth but when one is dangerous peril the one you love the most is the one that comes to mind or when they are in danger.. HInata tries but she falls to the ground.. some of this stuff have double sense in them but most don’t wanna see it..

    Vic (3 years ago)

    Simple ….the flip of the forehead was a game with between Itachi and Sasuke.. While to Sakura meant more as she thought Sasuke had return her feelings on that bench and it easy to read Sakura was expecting Sasuke to finally kiss her forehead not flip it… which after it happen we get a panel of confused Sakura expecting something else and being dissapointed.. Every time that flip happen Sakura was waiting for a kiss.. it was a double meaning scene..

    Still most dismiss the single point in the manga where Naruto shows love interest for someone and is not Hinata.. in chapter 3 Naruto shows who he wants and after Sasuke leaves he does the most stupid thing a man in love will do a promise almost impossible to fulfill to make the one he loves happy again..

    Naruto is in love with Sakura from start.. he is not induce into it or pushed by rivalry.. but all this is dismissed most dont wanna see it cause all they see is Hinata getting Naruto.. But most HN dont pick up that Hinata’s role has been swap with Sakura.. It was Sakura been bullied as child while Hinata was being over protected from being kidnap..Making Neji’s father sacrifice a joke..remenber he died to protect his family his brother and niece

    Still the flip of the forehead has double sense meaning which differs in Sakura and Sasuke….For once is a playful memory and for the other is a fantasy of being acknowledge by the one she loves.. this the plot that destroys all the stuff that makes HN a couple.. but the damage is not even NH the damage is a marriage and family to somoene who Naruto was not interested all nor Sasuke..Neither were interested in the ones they end up with and the explanation given to why happen has finally been reveal.. regardless if is Chatte or whoever.. Awhile ago before this whe Sukedachi 9 was introduced I thought may be he swap with his brother or his brother was the one who ended the manga..It became clear to me that there was more then one author here on this mess .. never thought it was a team of editors .. Still think that Kishimoto may had some authority upto 699 but 700 and the movie shows that he had none is not the same style of writing..

      Vic (3 years ago)

      Want to add there are 2 points in the manga where the chapter 3 plot could have been visited yet dismiss.. When Octo Pops tells Iruka he knows who is in Naruto’s heart as he has seen his memories and When all who share his chakra saw his memories and Sakura was among them why not bring it right there she could have seen what really happen on that bench.. A third would have been when the Sage speaks of Sasuke’s true feelings and where his love resides..

      not quite (3 years ago)

      no, you underdtood everything incorrectly. the poal was made to sakura but the core of it was for naruto alone. even if sakura did not want sasuke back, naruto would still jave spent his lifetime to try and save his best friend/ brother. and that indecision that sakura made as to who to save, was a shitty way to portray her character so dont use it as an example. see, sakura st that time is already an accomplished medic nin, and in the middle of the war, indecisions like those due to her own selfish musings of emotions are what costs lives. why not try save both? this is not a romantic inclination towards naruto because if sakura and naruto had any romantic inkling towards each other, they had the whoooole manga together and yet not one of them pursued it. only logical explanation is that sakura is in love with sasuke and naruto did not love sakura like that. their relationship was more sasuke centric, without sasuke, naruto and sakura would have nothing in common

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        Didn’t pursued it? Suure, because not confessing her until he can hold his promise to her is definitely nor pursuing her. Neither those dates were. Come on. Their relationship was outside Sasuke as well, because they actually DID have in common something: the desire to be acknowledged. The fact that it was Sasuke, well, that’s another deal. Change the object of desire and then you get the same result. This argument doesn’t work. I’ve already even covered it on Tumblr a looong time ago: http://chatte-georgiana.tumblr.com/post/74436183226/i-read-your-response-about-if-sasuke-stay-would.

        Vic (2 years ago)

        Naruto did not make the promise of a life time cause he care about Sasuke.. He saw Sakura falling to pieces and crying to make her stop he gave her hope..So she can focus on other things and so she did she became a medic nin..Naruto would not have care for Sasuke enought to pursue him .. He would have gone and become more powerful focus on some training but disregard Sasuke only till he became a thread to the village.. which it would have happen if not for Naruto’s relentless pursuit to complete his promise..

        This is a love plot and as it is a main one not a subplot as many have said…. if love would not have been a major plot why use it so much.. as well as end the story line with it..

        the major issue of this triangle was Sasuke once he was removed Sakura and Naruto would have gotten together there is enough information to support this.. This plot had already the answer to its end.. Naruto confessing he lie to Sakura.. This was in the beginning of the manga and should have been the end of the manga started with a lie and end with the truth but right now ended with this lie still un-confess.. You can dress a monkey any way you like but still a monkey..

Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

“Currently on twitter, a Japanese nrt fan (locked account) who apparently knows someone at Shueisha and the said person leaked the truth behind the ending”

LOL I read this bullcrap months ago and what should I say: this is just as bullcrap as those fake interviews and fake spoilers which were on the internet months ago.

Smell like the fake “I know someone from SP and he said that there will be a NaruSaku cherry tree poster which will be only released on the premier day of The Last but now they are hiding it in the basement”.

So yeah, for some reason I’m not really believe in those “japanese friends” anymore unless they will finally show that NaruSaku Cherry Tree The Last poster they also said months ago.

    Ryousan (3 years ago)

    I remember it as it was yesterday xD “Do not loose hope you hearme? DO NOT loose hope. I heard from a source I trust wholeheartadly that there will be releasing a poster of Naruto and Sakura under a Cherry Blossom tree the day of the premier”

    Curiously, that and another posts have deleted >:3…

      Guy (3 years ago)

      The girl of the poster lived in Japan, she already said the poster had Naruto and Sakura on it, it was probably a promotional image or something but the fandom made a big deal out of it but it was probably just Sueisha trying to capitalize again

        Ryousan (3 years ago)

        You mean the NS crew made a big deal out of it…

        amy (3 years ago)

        you have got to be blind or just plain ignorant not to know what kind of tantrum NS threw when that last chapter of naruto leaked. so im sorry why even the fans who aren’t from the rival ship is sick and tired of all your whinings and lies.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Ryousan

          Yeah, I meant the NS fandom, they made a big deal out of it when it was just a promotional image. Its partly the poster girl”s fight since she hyped it a lot

          Amy

          Not only NS, everyone who was hoping for a conclusive ending at least was disappointed.

          Besides you talk about whining and lies but you are the one who comes to Chatte’s blog…to whine…(lol)

          narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

          699 was the real ending. 700 was just the epilogue to show who ended up with who and Naruto becoming Hokage it was mostly paring-based, that’s why people say that only paring tards (NS,SNS,SK) get upset because that was the focus of 700, almost nobody complains about 699 because it only had a few pages of SS and one panel of NH.

          Kishi announced that there were only 5 CHAPTERS left of Naruto and it was the beginning of the Naruto Vs Sasuke fight, he cannot conclude all the plot points which is why there is a mini series coming up…..

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @naruto’s awesome
          If 700 was supposed to be the epilogue then it left a lot to be desired, instead of focusing in the chracters we accompanied, it focused on the “new generation”, so really it was mostly like a set up for part 3, which is horrible

          HP did the same thing, and lot of fans didn’t liked it too

Rinako (3 years ago)

Instead of believing “a friend in Japan” (lol you realize they are fans just like us right?) how about believing Kishimoto himself. He has states multiple times he was the one that planned NaruHina long ago in the early stages of the story. If kishi “sold out” then Hinata would have been the heroine (she’s not the heroine/main female, she’s just Naruto’s love interest), and Kakashi would have had more screen time cause he was more popular than Naruto at some point. Kishi toned Kakashi down even though he was more popular. Point is Kishi does what he wants and the pairings were his own choice.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Well, you see the reason I don’t buy the BS with “planned all along” is because it contradicts not only his own manga but his own words, you know. You’d be noticing that if you had been really paying attention.
    And yes, Kishi does do what he wants… and? Does that by any chance spare him of any opinion on how he does things? I don’t think so. You haven’t understood even up to this point that the problem is not the choice but the execution of the choice. But keep believing what you want to believe anyway.

    Vic (3 years ago)

    If that is true why so late introduction in the manga when the love plot on Naruto had already been established?

      souta (3 years ago)

      you are seriously deluded into thinking anything love has been established early in the manga

        Vic (2 years ago)

        Well if you are gonna call me diffusional I will call you an idiot for not noticing it.. Here is on chapter 3.. of the manga where the love plot was established..

          hey (2 years ago)

          wow vic, calling someone an idiot coming from you who think love plots were the center is rich. you may dismiss yourself

Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

Do you have any evidence to corroborate your accusation about the petition?

Your previous comments on this page state anybody in the fandom who liked the ending is blind and stupid. That is a generalization because so far anybody who has disagreed with you or defended Kishimoto is wearing pairing glasses or cannot analyze the series properly. Your statements generalize people who do not agree with your opinion and you even call them brain dead cattle.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    –Unfortunately I can’t seen to find it again, the post in which the NH fan admits it was his trolling.
    Nevertheless, its not the reason to judge an entire fandom, specially based on a few disgruntled individuals, otherwise the same tuhing applies to another fandoms, and SS and NH fandoms would be responsible for the petiton which says to put NS fans in a mental asylum

    –Nope, once again you show your clear lack of reading comprehension. Its perfectly fine to like the ending, but doing so means you put pairing above story and plot, simple as that.

    –I don’t see how can anyone defend kishimoto right now, specially when he does so much damage to himself thanks to his statements

    –Stop putting words on my mouth, I never called them “brain dead cattle”. Of course, I don’t like people who try to paint the ending as something wonderful (which wasn’t) just because of their respective love for a pairing
    But as I said before, I deeply respect the NH/SS fans that recognize that the canon SS/NH was lacking in certain aspects of their development (SS especially) and not only this but the whole ending and last arcs weren’t able to successfully address the whole complex plot points kishimoto tried to put there.

    I mean, even if we ignore the pairing matter entirely, the ending is still bad, just like the later arcs of part 2. Its not really a question of biasedness or pairing glasses, its a fact.

      Jazzy Jeff (3 years ago)

      So there is no evidence to confirm your accusation. Your earlier assertion is a lie and you insist I am in the wrong. I abhor any extremism in the fandoms. You have stated the ending and series are horrible and that anybody who likes it, admits it was flawed but still good is stupid and cannot analyze the story properly.

      You have judged everybody in the fandom and on this blog by this sentiment but it is wrong for me to be disgusted with with the extremism of the NaruSaku fandom because of your selfish actions.

      You seem to lack common sense nobody has to follow your twisted opinion. I do not see how your fandom has the right to an opinion on the series since you advocate murder, death threats and suppression of Kishimoto’s work because of your couple did not become official but you all get angry when anybody says they do not share your opinion.

      “SS/NH canon shippers seemingly operate in a hive mind and act like brain dead cattle.”

      Are these are not your words about the SasuSaku and NaruHina shippers on this page. You claimed I am putting words in your mouth but this statement was taken directly from a previous comment. Another lie and you called them drones so apparently they cannot make informed decisions for themselves because they do not care about your perception of the truth. What respect you claim to have for the fandoms is a facade.

      The only facts that are confirmed here are you have no proof to corroborate your statement about the petition and you lied about insulting your critics.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        — I really lack the evidence, though I certainly saw the indication of his trolling before. I will try to find it once again

        —Every fandom has it’s bad apples so its no fair to generalize an entire fandom like you are doing now, I mean, if I do what you are doing right now (that is, generalize an entire fandom) then I should call ALL NH/SS art stealers and blame absolutely ALL of them on the horrible petiton that told to put NS fans into a mental asylum, I wonder why didn’t addresssed this Jeff? You say you abhor extremism in all the fandoms yet you only blame the NS (and generalize them at that) when the same things you were saying were also made by the so called bad apples of other fandoms

        You said:
        “You have stated the ending and series are horrible and that anybody who likes it, admits it was flawed but still good is stupid and cannot analyze the story properly.”

        —You are completely wrong, I said that I can respect people who liked the ending but admit that it was deeply and inherently flawed, of course the only way someone can actually like this ending is
        1) If they didn’t care much about the story in first place
        2) Put pairing above things such as story, plot and character development

        these are facts, Its simply impossible for anyone who liked the story/plot/character development of Naruto to like this ending and these later arcs

        However I invite you to give me another reason as to why a fan (non pairing one ) who cared about the story/plot/ etc would like this ending. And please don”t use weak arguments like “everyone’s happy”, “everyone got what they wanted” since they don’t matter to the technical parts of the writing of the story

        —You are doing your typical thing and missing the point, I’m not mad because kishimoto didn’t end everything on NS as I already explained before and you continue to insist, Kishimoto is a hack and I’m mad at him beacause he ruined his story in relation to plot, themes and character developments. He can’t be defended anymore not even by his so called supporters evidenced by how you didnt even tried to defend my accusations on kishimoto and tried to change the focus and attack me instead saying I somehow defend murder and death threats, I mean what a FAIL

        You still haven’t defended your precious author, I mean why should I respect someone who doesnt’ respect and cherish his own work? But I guess I shouldn’t really say that it was “his” work, most of the ideas and plot came from the editor’s mind hahaha
        kishimoto’s a hack, deal with it

        –Ah yeah, I remember this comment now, but to put simply, you show once again your clear LACK of reading comprehension. Observe I’m not generalizing the SS/NH fansom, I’m being specific, I’m saying that the CANON shippers of SS/NH act like brain dead cattle and mindless drones and that is true, the CANON shippers ignore every and all flaw in this story just so they can live into the illusion their pairing is perfect, they don’t accept other people opnions and as I said they seemingly operate under some kind of hive mind where they produce headcanons to try to fix the ending and then try to pass these headcanons as the actual canon.

        However as I’m being specific I’m not generalizing saying all the SS/NH shippers are like that, I met a lot of them who didn’t like the ending( or liked the ending for some other reason) but can recognize the flaws of the story, as such they can also see the flaws in how the pairing was done and are critical about it, they still cherish their pairing kids and the fact that they happened but they know the execution was poorly done. You see the difference? You can like something but this doesnt mean you can’t see the flaws of such thing

        –So as you see I was not lying either, I was being truthfull since I never called my “critics” as mindless drones/brain dead cattle, I called that only a part of the SS/NH fandom that have their pairing glasses so glued to their faces that they end up acting like mindless drones and brain dead cattle :D (they can only see the wonder of the fact that their pairing happened) and you have a high possibility of being one of them, Jeff

        In fact I find it funny how you never answer to my arguments, instead you can only deflect and say that “its just your opinion, your perception”, this just shows how you don’t have anything to counter them and how you try to change the focus with ad hominem attacks, truly sad ;)

          wtf (3 years ago)

          what the hell is this kind of argument? “kishimoto is a hack, deal with it” when you cant have your point across, be a toddler and throw a tantrum? “don’t generalize NS” and then when it comes to NH you put parenthesis like (but they encouraged it a lot…) – do you want me to show you every disgusting screenshot from that naruto thank you project page and all the “fuck kishi” from specific tumblr users that are NS shippers? NS did not only encouraged the hate – you guys made a crusade out of it!

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Suure, because you surely can tell that the people behind those were NS fans or not others posing as NS fans. Are you by any chance the holder of the website and can track-back the IP’s of the posters to claim for sure that they were NS fans and not others, once again, posing as NS fans?
          No, you don’t. So until then, shush!

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @wtf

          Oh but he is a hack, just read his interview with kobayashi and the countless arguments I gave

          And as I said before I didn’t generalised tje NH/SS fandom like some people here did with NS. I was specific
          Futhermore you are genneralising again, since even if a few NS posted those (we have no way to confirm) , some SS and NH posted even SS/NH porn on that thank you page

Silentraider52 (3 years ago)

Now, I am a Narsaku fan and I too am pissed that all of this happened because of crazy fans and a spineless author who lost his talent but I have to say this. I’m sorry for getting rough here but WILL YOU ALL MOVE THE FUCK ON?! I know it all hurts like absolute hellfire that our favorite manga was shit, on at the end, I know it’s all stupid beyond recognition, but it’s OVER! It ended at the beginning of last November which was 5 months ago. I also know that they’re continuing it with a bunch of novels and a part 3 miniseries in order to milk the series even more but you can ignore that stuff. I’m gonna to ignore the novels but believe it or not, I’m actually looking forward to the miniseries, but I digress. Just move on with your lives people. There’s a lot more things that are a lot more important to bitch about than a manga series’ ending. I know it’s hard because it still burns me some, but I’ve gotten over it by coming up with my own ending and a good fan fiction story that I found. As childish as it sounds. Just move on people. It’s done…

    Guy (3 years ago)

    @Silent

    Some people had simply high hopes for this story and can’t just move on in such a small time skip, specially when new products continue the butchering process of a series

    Myself for example
    I’m over Naruto since a long time ago, there are FAR better manga/anime out there, Naruto is just popular because its mainstream
    BUT I spent money on this, when it was actually good, and as a consumer I have every right in the world to criticise the end result of the product I was consuming.

    If you already moved on completely somehow then thats okay, if you somehow managed to forget how much kishimoto was revealed as hack and is actually looking foward to Burrito then that’s okay too, but please respect the people who still like to vent and comment on how bad this seris turned out

    In conclusion
    —Stop patronizing people—-

    Orenji (3 years ago)

    Give me back all the time I spent watching the anime including fillers and movies and reading the manga playing all the video games then i’ll move on, I am a Naruto fan first. then a Narusaku fan I want to keep believing it wasn’t all for nothing it’s my right to do so. also why should I give up and go back on my word if Naruto forgets his nindo doesn’t mean I should too.
    Saying it’s over is a bit early the anime is still ongoing and part 3 could still have something to better explain the horrible ending and give at least some answers to questions left open.

      amy (3 years ago)

      sooo, which nindo did naruto gave up on?

        Guy (3 years ago)

        “Believe it” —-> “Endure it”

        “Never give up” —-> “Give up!”

          amy (3 years ago)

          soooo, what did naruto gave up?

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @amy
          Watch the last

          He became OOC, gave up on everything because of a rejection

          There is also the angle in which he gave up on sakura, but I don’t think so, I think Naruto could move on from Sakura if their closure was good enough and things between them were acknowledged and resolved

          narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

          Naruto has always been a selfish character, he risks a war over one person so yeah……..

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Actually not, Naruto’s been selfless regarding a lot of things , see promise of a lifetime and sasuke’s awakening in part 1

          His relationship with Sasuke can’t really be put in selfish/selfless terms since its a special deep bond. I have no doubt tho that if Naruto had to give his life for a good cause he would do it

        Vic (3 years ago)

        He did not endure and see thru his feelings for Sakura.. He gave up on the only female he was shown to have feelings..

Rex Julius (3 years ago)

Hey, Chatte!

The new Sakura Novel will come out on April 3rd!

Why don’t you make some NaruSaku theory about the upcoming Sakura Novel? XD ;)

Syeda Buraira (3 years ago)

I am only a sakura fan. I like all sakura pairing s. I despise naruto ending because it annihilated sakuras character development. That’s it.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    Now that’s some rational thinking ;)

    Rex Julius (3 years ago)

    And would you explain what kind of “development”?

    She became strong and stole all of Tsunade’s jutsus so she became strong.

    Sakura never given up on Sasuke so she stayed true to her character.

    Comparing to chapter 3 Sakura finally became nicer and kinder to Naruto.

    So yeah, I can’t see which “development” has been ruined, specialy of you say that you don’t care whom did she ended up.

    Specialy that in the novel’s summary it is saying that she has her own clinic now, so she is not a “housewife” neither. ;/

      Guy (3 years ago)

      Is it broken? WTF I had such a work to finally find this

      @Rex Julius
      Sakura’s development is a little more complicated than this

      Let’s consider two types, the physical and the emotional/psychological development

      –Physically speaking she only developed from part 1 to part 2, she got healing jutsu and enchanced strenght jutsu, that’s okay. But she didn’t learned anything new for the whole part 2 with the exception of the asspull Byakugou adnd the summoning jutsu (which only enchanced her abilities).
      Things like her inner potential for genjutsu remained untouched and because she didn’t fought too much and based on her own limited abilites I can only say she turned into a two trick pony, a important two trick pony, but still a two trick pony.
      You’d expect Kiishimoto would work a little more for one of his MC’s but hey she is a woman, kishimoto is known for not developing women at all

      –But really, the most lacking part of Sakura’s development was her emotional/psychological core, bear with me:

      —————————————————-
      **At part 1 we had fangirl Sakura, and she kept this way till he forest of death arc, after that fight you’s expect she would take her training a little more seiously but we still only see her fangirling over Sasuke (that’s mistake number 1, a small mistake but still a mistake ) , I mean he could make Sakura worry over him but still make her looking for training. At part 1 we still had Sakura warming up to Naruto, we have a lot panels that show how they became close friends and comrades, even through Naruto’s blatant feelings for her. Then we have her selfish confession which is kind of understandable for a 12 year old and her biggest development in part 1, whn she searches for Tsunade for training and promisies Naruto they would get Sasuke back together

      **Then we have early part 2, Sakura shows promising new abilities and shows pro-activity, the romance angle that always made her Sakura quite hated is nowhere to be seen. It’s the best part for her character, she fought Sasori head on, and didn’t cower before Sasuke when she met him
      However after the first two arcs, she is kinda relegated to the background and funnily enough at this time we only got few informations on Sakura’s background herself, we didn’t even know her parents (Now we know why kishimoto didn’t explored them, Sakura wasn’t popular enough )

      Things for Sakura’s development only get really bad in late part 2, more specifically Kage Summit arc, there the romance angle (love triangle between team 7) is brought up again, the romance angle that always hurt Sakura’s character ends up hurting her again. She takes a lot of stupid decisions, and at the end of everything she declares herself: “She is useless regarding Sasuke and Naruto”, effectively contradicting her prior development and foreshadowing from the end of part 1. I know kishimoto had to find a way to make Naruto vs Sasuke without Sakura’s interference but c’mon kihsi, couldn’t you find a way to do it without declaring Sakura’s uselessness???

      After Kage Summit arc, we get a show of negative development through Sakura’s part, she is never able to stand up to Sasuke, shows complete insecureness around him and at the end of everything she makes a complete re-hash of her part 1 confession, a selfish confession that further damages her character and exemplifies how much she lacks self respect.

      ——————————————————-

      –A reader can never emphatize on a character who keeps making the same mistakes after 15 years of mangam and thats why she was declared one of the shonen worst heroines by a article in China

      –Besides you see how the romantic “development” of SS is deeply connected o Sakura’s negative development? For her it would be best if such development would be neglected entirely!

      –Then we have the end, where we see Sakura one of the strongest females ninjas ( even through her limitations) dusting a house…thats our last image of her…cleaning…the last image of someone who wanted to catch up with her teammates.

      –Futhermore Sakura’s hiden is not canon, it isn’t made by kishimoto, and even if it was, it doesnt change how kishimto chose to portray her in the last pages of his manga. He could easily for example show her at the hospital or being an adivisor by Narutos side (as it was hinted through the story ) but instead he showed her fighting dust bunnies. Its to be expected though, Kishimoto is known for his secist and tradonalist views futher showed by his treatment of femalce characters in the manga

      Sorry for the essay , lol, but I really tried to specific here instead of giving vague answers

      If I resume it should come out something like,

      “Sakura’s character showed potential but the author missed opportunites to develop her, she showed promise but they remained only promises, in the later part 2, her character walked backwards and she ended up having a character regression”

        narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

        Its sad that someone has to bring up the Sasori fight, that fight was plain bad writing on Kishi’s part so don’t bring it up. *Sigh*, you like Chatte seem to think that Sakura is hated because of her romantic aspect which is not true. In the beginning she insults Naruto, is a fangirl, useless, and cries a lot, that’s the main things she is hated for. She drops the fangirl stuff in Chunin Exams and that aspect is completely gone after that at all, she becomes like a sister to Naruto, see that’s good but Kishi decides to keep some of her negative aspects. She is still useless and is just forced into something to make her look good (Kishi’s bad writing -_-), and she still constantly cries. Don’t let the Naruto self inserts fool you into thinking that her loving Sasuke is why she is hated. I agree with the rest of your paragraph.

        You bring up the Kage Summit because it destroys NaruSaku as Sasuke is brought back into the equation and we get Sakura’s POV. The Fake Confession was something that made Sakrua more hated (But I can understand it so I dont hate her for that) not her loving Sasuke. Yeah Sakura really sucks, Kishi screwed her over but its not exclusive to females as ALL of the Konoha 11 expect Shikamaru and Team 7 are COMPLETELY neglected.

        She DOES NOT have NEGATIVE development as she is not stated to not take shit from Sasuke. She gets sad in one panel when he states the blunt truth which is that she can’t do anything against a god, stop blowing it out of proportions. She doesn’t lack self respect for trying to save the man whom she loves from going into “darkness

        “–Besides you see how the romantic “development” of SS is deeply connected o Sakura’s negative development? For her it would be best if such development would be neglected entirely!”

        Lol no, her negative development lacks outside of SS which is Kishi’s disregard for characters other than Uchihas and such..

        –”Then we have the end, where we see Sakura one of the strongest females ninjas ( even through her limitations) dusting a house…thats our last image of her…cleaning…the last image of someone who wanted to catch up with her teammates.”

        This IS NOT the last time we see her she is going to be in Part 3, she is waiting for Salad to come home, all the other ninjas aren’t doing shit. She literally cannot catch up to the gods known as Naruto/Sasuke, in fact that isn’t a job.

        “–Futhermore Sakura’s hiden is not canon, it isn’t made by kishimoto, and even if it was, it doesnt change how kishimto chose to portray her in the last pages of his manga. He could easily for example show her at the hospital or being an adivisor by Narutos side (as it was hinted through the story ) but instead he showed her fighting dust bunnies. Its to be expected though, Kishimoto is known for his secist and tradonalist views futher showed by his treatment of femalce characters in the manga”

        Kishi isn’t sexist, he states that he is bad at making females which is why you get sucky characters like Hinata. And Sakura never once stated she wanted to be a medic so that’s irrelevant…
        (Sorry double comment D:)

          Guy (3 years ago)

          - The sasori fight was good I don’t understand why you think it was bad

          — That were her part 1 characteristics, she changed these, however her inability to stand up to Sasuke, and how she was always useless around him mostly remained (or returned in late part 2)
          Just think, why she constantly cries? why she always seems so weak regarding her emotions in the war arc? eah, because of Sasuke, so yeah mate, unfortunately SS is part of Sakura’s weak development
          She doesn’t really becomes like a sister to him since Naruto had romantic feelings for her ( at least until they were retconned).
          After the chuunin exams she is still a fangirl, she recognizes her weakness but she doesnt work on it till part 1 end, why? She was busy fangirling over Sasuke

          –KS arc was bad for her cahracter because it negates the foreshadowing fomr the end of part 1 and deems Sakura as useless once again. I already explained this.
          The fake confession hurt her yes, but it wasnt part of my argument

          –It wasnt only this panel, she is shown getting worked up after everything Sasuke says, showing insecureness around him and in the end goes back to her part 1 mode and re-hashs her confession, even adimitting she is pathetic herself, alas negative development

          –SS is part of her negative development, hell the pairing itself has negative development and Sakura is part of it how can she not be affected?

          –I already told you, stop bringing this money grab Burrito thing. Naruto’s saga is over. Sakura’s last panel in the manga was dusting shelves. It was completely underwhelming for what her character wanted.

          –Kishimoto is sexist, his manga has a lot of panels that shows him as such. I can say one where father tells young kurenai she shouldn’t fight just she could live and give him grandchildren and this is taken as a good thing, then we have the fact that most women in the epilogue are seemingly housewives even women with a strong personality like Temari ( who looks like she is on crack). Then there is also the fact that the main women from the manga have their lives revolved around men, With ones such as Sakura and Hinata showing themselves to be glorified pairing fodders. And even relatively good characters like Tsunade and Mei Terumi suffer from this.
          Besides he is bad at every character development, not only from the ladies part. Kishi was pratically hand-guided into making the story from early on and when his main editor left the story began to get real bad, he simply lacks talent.

Guy (3 years ago)

“Sakura never given up on Sasuke so she stayed true to her character.”

Oh yeah, besides this is a lie, she gave up on him, back in KS arc she tried to kill him because SHE couldn’t bear to see him in darkness (selfish thinking) then she wasn’t able because she was too weak to do it

This hurt her character like hell, she showed indecisiveness in a key moment of the story and that’s a nod to how sakura herself was during part 1, neglecting how she showed development over this during early part 2

and then afterwards we have Sakura declaring she is useless haha. Kishimoto should have know better, if Sakura’s isn’t popular, its because you kept screwing up her character kishi !

    Rex Julius (3 years ago)

    Sigh, have you ever heard about “Love Marytyr”?

    Sakura not wanted to kill Sasuke because she given up on him, but because she still romanticaly love him so much that she believed that it would be an “act of true love” if she stops him even if it means killing him (typical love martyr logic) and even Sai confirmed that Sakura loves Sasuke romanticaly.

    And no, Sakura was not weak to kill Sasuke, Sasuke was technicaly crushed and was bleeding from multiples wounds, the reason why she couldn’t because she loves him so much that despite her brilliant idea she couldn’t bring herself to kill him.

    Sakura declaring herself useless is the same Hinata declaring herself as bad sister/selfish etc.

    How about if we agree that Kishimoto simply can’t writte female characters?

      Guy (3 years ago)

      @Rex Julius

      Wait wait, what you said makes no sense, so she tried to kill him because she loves him so much, but then she couldn’t kill him because she loves him so much?
      Wow, this is a mess, and its contradicting.

      A love martyr doesn’t fall into Sakura’s decision in KS arc, she was being selfis there, she was only thinking “I don’t want to see him on darkness anymore, it hurts me”

      Sakura wanted to kill Sasuke because it pained her to see him like that (selfish) but as I said, she was weak.
      So his statement about Sakura never giving up is not true. Because she essentialy give up on trying to redeem him and then gave up once again and let the Sasuke job to Naruto

      If SS is a bad and negative relationship in the manga its kishimoto’s fault

      But thats the thing, based on her actions around the story, and her own words, Sakura was indeed useless, her regarding herself as such was the final straw for some fans who couldn’t take it anymore, it was a bad job by the author, besides HInata was right on what she said she really behaved like a bad sister duriing a part of the movie, when she had “fixing the scarf” as a more important thing than worrying about her sister

      Yeah kishimoto don’t know how to write female characters at all.But then why are you trying to defend his atrocious writing?

        Rex Julius (3 years ago)

        LOL, sorry, but I just watched you on youtube… man, that guy humiliated you like a child! XD

        About your question, you should arguing this with Sai:

        http://i2.mangareader.net/naruto/474/naruto-1023770.jpg

        I saw your “chapter 539 + 540 not count because they were just for fillers” comment.

        So, since fillers came after Sakura giving a hug to Naruto, was that scene also for fillers? ;P If Kishimoto will say in his new interview that that scene was also for fillers, will you neglect that scene too? ;P

        Also, what you still don’t understand it’s not the reason why he created that scene, but how did it. Tell me: what was Kishimoto holding back to Sakura thinking Naruto instead of Sasuke in those scenes? Nothing.

        If it was Naruto whom she was thinking that it would prove your point, but since it was Sasuke your NS points damaged.

        And don’t forget: the scene was IN the manga, not only in the anime. ;P

        Also, what I read there too from you LOL.

        He was right about Naruto being OOC when insulting Tsunade about Jiraiya’s death, as if it was “the real Naruto”, Naruto would understand Tsunade, giving him a silent but touching hug then leaving solemnly. But no, Naruto didn’t do that. Infact, he bashed, insulted and blamed Tsunade for Jiraiya’s death and even said things “If Jiraiya would be the 5th Tsunade wouldn’t sent him to death”.

        He was also right about Naruto being OOC when punching his own father with full power to the point where he almost cough up blood. You reasoning was weak as you first tried to prove he is an empathising man, which if would be true Naruto wouldn’t do that, as he knew why Minato did what he did and knew even before meeting with him that he had no choice.

        And yes, when I read his list of retcons I also started thinking about them and when I reread not long ago, I had to realise that Kishimoto truly never worked ahead, he came up with everything week-by-week, creating tons of contradictions and retcons even before your hated Kage Summit Arc.

        So if not everything, most what he said was true and the best would be if didn’t writte back again, because when he say he won’t writte back he won’t. But as I saw, you couldn’t resist. But don’t worry, he won’t writte back – thought I even doubt he reads them.

        So yeah, nice job, you made yourself a troll with another troll.

        Oh, and as I saw the The Last movie will go to Philippenes on May 13! I can’t wait!

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Rex Julius

          Oh, so you were that guy?
          Funny, I really didn’t know your arguments could get so weak and biased but then agaqin you said “that person” *AKA you) was trolling so it makes sense
          .
          I actually responded to this arguments back in youtube so I’m not going to lose time in them again
          Peace ;)

          Guy (3 years ago)

          *again

        Vic (3 years ago)

        Hmm yeah cause Sakura was not going to commit suicide with Sasuke after Sai told her she and Sasuke were a burden to Naruto.. Yeah I guess no you guys did not pick on this.. Also how someone bent on saving lives will have the courage to end one.. Great thinking..

Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

From my own point of view, I shipped both pairings NH/NS, I feel that Kishi wanted true closure for all the parties involved with no tragic ending(let’s be honest Kishi admits he hates writing romance and this is a kids manga) so he ended it with all of them having their happy endings. Naruto got to become Hokage and loved by everyone, Sakura got to be with her first love and Sasuke was “redeemed”. This was the only way it could’ve gone from the beginning since SS was the most popular hetero pairing since the beginning for the japanese and for the western audience. The only reason I turned on NS was because of those few, and I mean few, NS fans that just won’t let it go and write smear campaigns with half truths, unfounded evidence and biased opinions presented as facts. All my friends were satisfied with the endings(even the NS fans), liked the last movie and are excited for the spinoff. Personally I call bullshit on this article Kishi had a fuck-ton of sway at his company and no one would make him write something he didn’t want, even in all his legit interviews he mentions that he was disappointed with the Sakura hate and kept writing her anyway. Like the above poster mentioned if he truly sold out or was under pressure from the studio he would’ve flat out made Hinata the main heroine and relegated Sakura to the background. The japanese fans didn’t like her but she still fought the main villain at the end, never had less screen time that Hinata AND was featured prominently on all the tanks toward the end. The ending wasn’t perfect but to me it was a satisfying resolution to Naruto’s arc, the “romance” was just an extra.

    Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

    Another quick thing what’s so wrong with Sakura cleaning her house? Even if she was only a housewife what’s so bad about it? My mom quit her job as attorney to raise my sisters and I are we supposed to look down on women, or men for that matter, who stay at home and raise their kids it’s an honorable endeavor instead of letting a TV or nanny raise them. For some reason I was under the assumption that the Hiden books ARE indeed canon as is Kishimoto is handling the artwork and has final say on the final draft of the books but then again don’t take my word on it I gotta find the interview with Kishi where he confirms it or people will just say “link or it’s false”.

      Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

      Well I can’t find the interview at the moment but I distinctly remember reading that everything in “The Naruto Project” is to be considered canon, maybe someone can find it since I had no luck it was the interview on the reveal for the upcoming projects after the series ended.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    @Jacob

    –It’s not a matter of a “happy ending”, if all teh characters are happy in the end and this kinda BS, its a matter of a good ending, if the ending managed to keep up and close the themes the story proposed, if it managed to carefully tie and close plot threads, if it didn’t offer any kind of lack of coherence in relation to what was presented before. And if we analyse like this then the Naruto eding wasnt a good ending, it was a terrible ending

    –Now I really want to see these smear campaings and half truths, the disgust by the ending and the last movie is real in japan, at least by the real fans of the series. The last volume sales were underwhelming for a series so big as Naruto and the Last had the worst transition in the story of Naruto movies, I believe you are being blinded by your love for this series.

    –Let me clear a thing for you, Naruto has been a horrible series for quite a time, the only reason it managed to stay on top was because of the popularity it carried over in it’s early years, but hese later arcs the downfall quality of the writing and the art are quite blatant.

    –For your friends that were satisfied I can only guess if they truly cared for story and development, if they put pairing in first place, or if they are fanboys… because seriously, its difficult to believe that a true fan of Naruto wouldn’t be able to recognize how bad this series got.

    About kishi interview, well he did try to put Hinata as a heroine he said so himself. 615 and the last are proofs, however since Sakura was heroine for 600 chapters almost , changing the focus to Hinata right away would be a really dumb movie, so kishi may be dumb but at least he recognized this, besides he didn’t care about Sakura at all, he didn’t really understood his own characters,I mean what was his answer to the Sakura hate?
    Develop her?
    No, it was to draw her more pretty, like a hollywood actress….seroiusly kishi.

    –The ending wasnt perfect, it wast even good, the romance helped ruining it. The series were already bad, the ending was just the cherry on the cake

    –And no, the novel isn’t canon, just because Kishi did the artwork for it it doesnt mean its canon. Kishi did the artwork for a lot of databooks. databook 3 says sakura’s feelings for Naruto were strong and her heart beats faster around him…should we take teh databooks as canon too? Because a lot of fans don’t take the databooks as canon even though kishimoto did the artwork…

    Besides ou don’t have any source on this “final say”, how can you expect someone to believe it? But, really, fans shouldn’t take anything by canon if kishi’s not having any part on the writing

    –The problem with Sakura as a housewife it is because its underwhelming for her character.
    Sakura wanted to catch up with her teammates, she wanted to help Naruto as hokage and in the end we get her…cleaning
    Welp such a happy ending (not)

    If kishi soo desired he could have showed us Sakura working with the hokage or in a hospital, but he didn’t, end of story.

    But then again kishi’s writing is sexist and he doesnt give a damn to his female characters so it isnt that much a surprise what happened with Sakura, I mean if NS was the end couple she would probably still be a housewife, unfortunately. But at least with NS being kind of like MInakushi we would probably be able to say hat Naruto helped her at home, unlike Sasuke who is hinted to spend a long time travelling by Salad.

      narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

      Lol, you think that if NS was canon, Naruto would be home nope he can’t even spend a lot of times with his kids….

        Guy (3 years ago)

        At least then Sakura (based on how her character is) could give him a reason or two on how he should pay attention to his childs.
        Hinata just seems to meek to complain to him seriously about something, unless they somehow changed her character to fit more Sakura’s behavior on it

          amy (3 years ago)

          so by that panel alone you already conclude that hinata is too meek to call shit on naruto for neglecting their children? this is completely baseless. you are just proving how incorrectly you read the manga.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @amy

          What are you saing amy?

          Hinata is a meek character, she is also shy,self-concious, etc
          This was kinda of her personality throughout the entire series.

          Do you want to tell me she developed off screen into someone with a personality resembing Sakura’s character ?:

          Guy (3 years ago)

          *resembling

          amy (3 years ago)

          what i want to say is that you cannot positively conclude from that panel alone that naruto neglects his children and that hinata is a pushover. cant you hear how baseless your statements are? i am not about hinata’s and sakura’s character but about you stating things matter of factly even though you have zero proof. clearly you missed the context that boruto may have acted out because he was used to having his dad all to his own, and naruto as hokage might have been busier than usual. but then again why do i even hope that you interpret the panels correctly when you clearly show mediocre understanding of all characters, including sakura, because youve drowned in what you want the characters to be.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Amy

          —So you are trying to imply that somehow Hinata developed a more strong personality off panel? Because if we go by how she was presented at the manga she is meek, self concious and shy, so she would be unable to talk seriously about the problem with Burrito to Naruto, we already have clues that this is pretty common (Konohamaru saying : Burrito at it again) so its pretty safe to say the problem with Burrito was not addressed yet by Hinata for some reason

          And LOL at you tying to shrug off Burrito’s feelings of neglect, the hypocrisy of some fans is latent, they are like:

          “*beginning of naruto:
          poor naruto he just wants someone to notice him and spend some time with him, he is just a little kid, he’s obviously lonely ): stupid villagers ):

          *end of naruto:
          don’t you guys get that bolt needs to man up, like they don’t have time for him and the village is more important than his ass anyway…kids need to learn the importance of enduring…btw my pairing is the best”

          Hipocrisy at its finest ;)
          I got this on tumblr and this is so on point, props to @piipuli for making this comparision

          amy (3 years ago)

          @guy, first of all,mdo you know how off putting it is to respond to people like you who cant even address a charcter by its proper name when making your point across? the kids name is bolt, not burrito. 2nd of all, bolt’s panel, showing his pranking is a clear parallel to naruto’s childhood of doing the same , a set up for the planned mini series and a character set up for bolt unless you want a main character of the next series to be all mary sue and be angelic and proper and obedient all the time. konohamaru had similar pranks when he was a kid but did i hear any cries of neglect, no. lastly, you still did not answer me how you can positively conclude that naruto neglects his children in that one single panel where he was shown to put off a meeting he himself called for so he can attend to bolt by himself.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Oh, chill dear, it’s not like other people haven’t mocked Naruto’s name, no need to get that defensive over Boruto. And Boruto? Come on, he could’ve given it a better name and we all know it.
          And let’s not get in details about WHY Naruto did what he did in his childhood and WHY BOLT DOES IT! Naruto did because he had NO PARENTS to love and take care of him, Boruto HAS! But his all-mighty powerful dad that can turn into 1000 copies of himself can’t send a copy to play with his son?
          Come on, cut the crap!

          Any cries of neglect? Boruto asking his dad to clean with him doesn’t scream neglect to you?? Then we surely have different moral codes.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @amy

          “first of all,mdo you know how off putting it is to respond to people like you who cant even address a charcter by its proper name when making your point across? the kids name is bolt, not burrito”

          —And?
          Bolt/Boruto/Burrito are all stupid names anyway, so its the same thing

          . “2nd of all, bolt’s panel, showing his pranking is a clear parallel to naruto’s childhood of doing the same ,”

          — Hahahahaha
          How was Naruto’s childhood? Alone, no parents, hated by everyone etc,
          So by saying this you consent that Burrito was neglected? hahaha

          Thank you

          ” a set up for the planned mini series and a character set up for bolt unless you want a main character of the next series to be all mary sue and be angelic and proper and obedient all the time”

          — Yeah because there is only two type of characters, the rebels and the obedient ones, derp.
          Seriously this just shows kishimoto 0 creativity Burrito is just Naruto’s copy

          .” konohamaru had similar pranks when he was a kid but did i hear any cries of neglect”

          —Nope, konohamaru didn’t do pranks, he tried to beat the hokage because he wanted to be respected for who he was not as honrable grandson, he was not neglected like BUurrito is

          ” no. lastly, you still did not answer me how you can positively conclude that naruto neglects his children in that one single panel where he was shown to put off a meeting he himself called for so he can attend to bolt by himself.”

          —Konohamaru saiyng “bolt at it again” hinting he alwasy does this
          Naruto telling his son to endure it, not empathizing with him like he used to did , and seeing his problems.
          Salad empathyzing with Burrito because she too has an absent father

          Sorry amy, you tried.
          But Burrito is indeed neglected :p

          amy (3 years ago)

          @chatte, yeah he couldve given him another name but decided on boruto. so thats that. he is the owner of the character by the way so however stupid it sounds to you, that is the characters name. i also do not condone the trashy names you lot have nicknamed naruto, but i didnt mention it because guy was talking about “burrito”, so your ” but you are not defensive if its naruto” is both irrelevant and childish. next that clone thing, if you think it wouldve been more satisfactory for your father to just send clone copies of himself to play with you then yes, we do have different moral standards. i never pegged naruto to be the kind that just sends copies of himself. lastly, its pretty obvious that you really need for that epilogue to seem so much like an epic fail and would not give the miniseries a chance in hell, so good luck with your life while we enjoy more material for naruto. maybe you should take your own advice and leave naruto for good like how you announced a couple of posts ago.

          @guy, i wasnt trying anything. i was just expecting a mature response from you without you resorting to using stupid monickers. ah well, in naruto’s words, you must endure guy. because the mini series is coming up and i know no matter how much you proclaim all of the things you dislike about all things naruto, you are goung to read it (≧∇≦)

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Hahah, funny how you mix the moral codes just to excuse Kishi’s awful writing. If my father would’ve had a magic system in himself that allowed him to clone himself and be with me at any given time as long as he’s alive and in no harm (in which Naruto isn’t, on the contrary, he’s browsing the internet and drinking some booze) and he wouldn’t than yes, I would have a problem with him and yes, we do have different moral codes.
          Naruto has absolutely NO REASON to NOT be with his son. Period.
          Thanks tho for the wishes, I am having the best of lucks in my life at the moment. :)
          As for that goodbye Naruto post, well, sorry you didn’t get its point… :) Plus, people evolve and so do opinions and other things – a lesson you should always keep in mind.
          As for the argument, we both know it’s relevant but for a reason now we so much go around it. You get defensive over him calling a fictional character Burrito but you don’t get defensive over said fictional character when his fictional father treats him like shit. Funny thing if you ask me…

          Guy (3 years ago)

          I may read the first chapter just to see how bad it is, but I assure you amy, that phony author is not getting money from me anymore

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @amy

          Besides not my fault if you leave your arguments open enoughto have them reverted at you like that.

          Sorry :p

          So let’s make a deal, I will try to be more “mature” with you when you learn to be more cohesive about your arguments and your opinions, okay?

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @amy

          Besides not my fault if you leave your arguments open enough to have them reverted at you like that.

          Sorry :p

          So let’s make a deal, I will try to be more “mature” with you when you learn to be more cohesive about your arguments and your opinions, okay?

          amy (3 years ago)

          yeah @guy, your responses reeks of maturity. ” will read just to see how bad it is” – see here… very mature. lets take your opinion at hand, you think naruto sucks – and yet you delve into it anyway and then people like us have to take crap from you, your whinings and your false statements. so just stop. take anything naruto out of your life.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          People like you have to take crap from you? Excuse you, did any of the people here dragged you into this site or you came by yourself? And people are allowed to express their opinion as much as they want, be it that Naruto sucks or not. After all, it’s not like people don’t have legit arguments against the bad writing.
          If you wanna be oblivious to it, go ahead, not everyone has to do the same.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @amy

          “yeah @guy, your responses reeks of maturity. ” will read just to see how bad it is” – see here… very mature. lets take your opinion at hand, you think naruto sucks – and yet you delve into it anyway and then people like us have to take crap from you, your whinings and your false statements. so just stop. take anything naruto out of your life.”

          Indeed I think Naruto sucks ( it sucks even if I adhere a unbiased POV tho) but I think that to criticise something you have to have a basis for it, so of course I will probably read the godawful part 3 ( I obviously won’t enjoy it since the series is already trash) and give my opinion, since I’m a free person and if you don’t like it, then well sucks to be you

          But I suppose I should be happy, if what I say bothers you so much then it really hit a nerve, you probably know everything I talked about is true but you are still holding on onto your pairing tinted glasses, one day when you grow up and mature you will be able to discard these glasses and rationalize once again

          And I find it funny and ironic too what you just said
          I mean here are you, talking about delving into something you don’t like and surprise… you ( and several others) do the exactly same thing by commenting on a NS oriented site such as Chatte’s without even liking NS, so I suggest you to tone down your statements and look at your own hipocrisy, amy ;)

      xian (3 years ago)

      underwhelming for her character? you do realize that in the ending ONLY naruto should shine (hence shown as the hokage), all the other strong kunoichis were either taking care of their child, or a store and even the other ninjas seem to be just bumming around (hi kiba! hi sasuke!) so if you want to demand a 12 full color page to show sakura caught up with naruto and sasuke, that is just selfish because we need a 12 full color page for every single freaking character then. but this manga is naruto , hence I understand and am satisfied that naruto was shown to achieve all of his dreams and that there were bonus snippets of what the other characters were up to

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        Okay, you’re satisfied, I’m not and I have reasons to. Your point is? That I shouldn’t express my opinion or? Or any other person for that matter that feels the same that I do, maybe, granted, for different reasons.
        If Kishi would’ve really done things okay, you wouldn’t see people having anything to critique about it. But we do. Which means bad writing. Period.
        Can we stop excusing the man, now? He had plenty of chances to make things right with the ending yet he didn’t. People should really understand that but apparently some don’t and then go how dare others critique his work and be dissatisfied with it. I mean, really?
        Come on…

        Guy (3 years ago)

        The ending focused more on Burrito and the new generation than Naruto greatest moment of victory, so your point is irrelevant @xian

        Vic (3 years ago)

        Your forgot Sakura was one of them. Hence he did not get all he wanted..

        Before people start ranting.. don’t forget Naruto never goes back on his word and never gives up So why did he gave up on love? He clearly is shown on chapter 3 to be in love several panes ..

          amy (3 years ago)

          this again? can you pls direct me to that exact panel where naruto clearly stated sakura was one of his goals. can you pls stop its degrading to both naruto and sakura’s character implying he is a douche for not caring about a girls feelings as long as he attains his goal and she being made into a trophy that should be a goal.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Ahahah, spotted the SS fan in here.

          Vic (2 years ago)

          Here.. Chapter 3
          http://www.mangapanda.com/93-3-4/naruto/chapter-3.html
          Left side 2nd pane .. Naruto calls out Sakura’s name bottom of the kanji there is a heart..

          http://www.mangapanda.com/93-3-17/naruto/chapter-3.html
          Look at the panel before the last look at his eyes on her.. he is blushing about to kiss her..

          last panel on the right.. what boy says like when you about to kiss a girl? This pane says like others says love and anime says I know know why love/like Sakura-chan so much”

          http://www.mangapanda.com/93-3-6/naruto/chapter-3.html

          This the perfect panel on the bottom depics the story entirely Naruto looking at Sakura looking at Sasuke.. and Sasuke clueless.. If you look at the eyes Naruto is raging mad over Sakura pretty much the rage of jealous boyfriend..

          So if you think Naruto did not had a love interest there it is.. and Hinata was not in mind or drawn any where near.. when this wsa release..

          I made this for blind people thinking Hinata was in Naruto’s heart.. http://l16i.imgup.net/Naruto-Sakd8e2.jpg Sakura was always in Naruto’s mind why would he give up the one thing that matter the most among being Hokage..

          If you still dont belief.. well the last movie Hinata was flashback to even before his school days.. why go back so much.. .. the answer is simple they need it something to counter to say she was always there.. but our time our reality clock doesn’t flashback as in anime she wasn’t there.. if she was and she was gonna be so important why not put it on chapter 1 or make Hinata part of chapter 3.. What was on that time line was Naruto and Sakura..so it should have ended with them..

Guy (3 years ago)

@Jacob

–It’s not a matter of a “happy ending”, if all teh characters are happy in the end and this kinda BS, its a matter of a good ending, if the ending managed to keep up and close the themes the story proposed, if it managed to carefully tie and close plot threads, if it didn’t offer any kind of lack of coherence in relation to what was presented before. And if we analyse like this then the Naruto eding wasnt a good ending, it was a terrible ending

–Now I really want to see these smear campaings and half truths, the disgust by the ending and the last movie is real in japan, at least by the real fans of the series. The last volume sales were underwhelming for a series so big as Naruto and the Last had the worst transition in the story of Naruto movies, I believe you are being blinded by your love for this series.

–Let me clear a thing for you, Naruto has been a horrible series for quite a time, the only reason it managed to stay on top was because of the popularity it carried over in it’s early years, but hese later arcs the downfall quality of the writing and the art are quite blatant.

–For your friends that were satisfied I can only guess if they truly cared for story and development, if they put pairing in first place, or if they are fanboys… because seriously, its difficult to believe that a true fan of Naruto wouldn’t be able to recognize how bad this series got.

About kishi interview, well he did try to put Hinata as a heroine he said so himself. 615 and the last are proofs, however since Sakura was heroine for 600 chapters almost , changing the focus to Hinata right away would be a really dumb movie, so kishi may be dumb but at least he recognized this, besides he didn’t care about Sakura at all, he didn’t really understood his own characters,I mean what was his answer to the Sakura hate?
Develop her?
No, it was to draw her more pretty, like a hollywood actress….seroiusly kishi.

–The ending wasnt perfect, it wast even good, the romance helped ruining it. The series were already bad, the ending was just the cherry on the cake

–And no, the novel isn’t canon, just because Kishi did the artwork for it it doesnt mean its canon. Kishi did the artwork for a lot of databooks. databook 3 says sakura’s feelings for Naruto were strong and her heart beats faster around him…should we take teh databooks as canon too? Because a lot of fans don’t take the databooks as canon even though kishimoto did the artwork…

Besides ou don’t have any source on this “final say”, how can you expect someone to believe it? But, really, fans shouldn’t take anything by canon if kishi’s not having any part on the writing

–The problem with Sakura as a housewife it is because its underwhelming for her character.
Sakura wanted to catch up with her teammates, she wanted to help Naruto as hokage and in the end we get her…cleaning
Welp such a happy ending (not)

If kishi soo desired he could have showed us Sakura working with the hokage or in a hospital, but he didn’t, end of story.

But then again kishi’s writing is sexist and he doesnt give a damn to his female characters so it isnt that much a surprise what happened with Sakura, I mean if NS was the end couple she would probably still be a housewife, unfortunately. But at least with NS being kind of like MInakushi we would probably be able to say hat Naruto helped her at home, unlike Sasuke who is hinted to spend a long time travelling by Salad.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    double comment…sorry

      Jacob Devlin (3 years ago)

      No problem I’ll just respond to this one. Thing is my friends aren’t the type of people to go to forums or blogs and discuss every detail and analyze the smallest things they just read the manga and watched the anime and they were generally satisfied, then again they also know Naruto went to shit a loong time ago as do I. Sakura being at home cleaning is just one tiny part of her life, for all we know she’s like that one novel described as a head of a hospital or since the very next scene is Sasuke seemingly going somewhere she was just sprucing up the place before he got home. Who knows what she’s really doing since the war maybe she’s helping Naruto any way she can also or just changed priorities to raising her kid we’ll know when the new series starts. Let’s see a couple of the smear campaigns I’ve come across oh yea writing to publishers and distributors to block the release of Naruto, the bullshit about the no returns on tickets(which if you’ve lived over there it’s a standard practice for just about EVERY theatre), all the movie reviews taken as facts written by people who obviously hadn’t seen the movie and also the yahoo.jp news debacle. Look we got a difference of opinion for me Naruto “loving” Sakura was nothing more than a childhood crush he grew out of, the “parallels” resembled NH more than NS and to be perfectly honest I do find Kishi sexist as well so I agree he can’t write women, but again this is a shounen meant for “boys” between the ages of 6-12 so I wasn’t expecting Pride and Prejudice. I won’t comment further on The Naruto Project since I haven’t really researched it all that much and only remember bits and pieces of the details unless stated otherwise I’ll consider the novels canon since he’s involved in the project and released with his approval you’re free to disagree it’s cool. All these points just keep coming up and I’m tired of reiterating the same arguments that’ve been discussed to death let’s just agree to disagree.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        Let’s go on parts :D

        “Thing is my friends aren’t the type of people to go to forums or blogs and discuss every detail and analyze the smallest things”

        —-The mistakes and plot holes in Naruto are quite big tho

        “then again they also know Naruto went to shit a loong time ago as do I.”

        —Well then, this explains things, they problably already accepted the series as a bad one so the ending continuing being bad was of bo surprise for them, they were probably just glad it was over. A few of my friends were like this too

        “Sakura being at home cleaning is just one tiny part of her life, for all we know she’s like that one novel described as a head of a hospital or since the very next scene is Sasuke seemingly going somewhere she was just sprucing up the place before he got home. Who knows what she’s really doing since the war maybe she’s helping Naruto any way she can also or just changed priorities to raising her kid we’ll know when the new series starts.”

        –This goes against rule number 10 in literary works
        “Show, don’t tell”, and worse, this is just your speculation, what is a fact is that current Sakura is dusting shelfs waiting for Sasuke to return from god’s know where. This is sad
        As I said before kishi could have done her conclusion a lot better.
        Besides if we go by the fact that Burrito and Salad doesnt seen to be that close we can interpret Sakura and Naruto aren’t even that close anymore…which is double sad

        ” I’ve come across oh yea writing to publishers and distributors to block the release of Naruto, the bullshit about the no returns on tickets(which if you’ve lived over there it’s a standard practice for just about EVERY theatre), all the movie reviews taken as facts written by people who obviously hadn’t seen the movie and also the yahoo.jp news debacle”

        —-The first thing you said was the petition, it was made by just a few NS fans (there is the possibilty of it being made by a trolling NH fan but I’ve yet to find concrete evidence) so it shouldn’t be blamed on the entire fandom
        the second thing, well its a fact that the last didnt accept returning tickets, I could probably find you a surce if you want. The yahoo JP thing is made by JP fans, there is few western intereference there.

        .” Look we got a difference of opinion for me Naruto “loving” Sakura was nothing more than a childhood crush he grew out of, the “parallels” resembled NH more than NS”

        —-You can have the opinion you want, fact is if we go by the manga Naruto loved Sakura, however with the last being canon this love was retconed to something out of “rivalry”, which frankly makes less sense than a “childhood crush”. The MK parallel was made by kishi to be a red herring to NS ( if we go by his words), so saying MK looks like NH is completely and utterly baseless. MK existed for NS ( if we go by kishi’s words)

        “I do find Kishi sexist as well so I agree he can’t write women, but again this is a shounen meant for “boys” between the ages of 6-12 so I wasn’t expecting Pride and Prejudice.”

        —Good, we have the same opinion, but really just because its shonen it doesnt mean women must be horribly written, we have Bleach, One Piece, Attack on Titan, Bokuno hero Academia,etc…all of them shonen’s with good written female characters. So its no excuse.
        Futhermore if kishimoto didn’t know how to write romance he shouldn’t have wrote in first place, like Oda who says One Piece has zero romance

        ” I won’t comment further on The Naruto Project since I haven’t really researched it all that much and only remember bits and pieces of the details unless stated otherwise I’ll consider the novels canon since he’s involved in the project and released with his approval you’re free to disagree it’s cool. ”

        —-Okay, then consider the databooks canon as well please.

        “All these points just keep coming up and I’m tired of reiterating the same arguments that’ve been discussed to death let’s just agree to disagree.”

        —-Okay, I appreciate the fact you remained civil and didn’t used Ad hominem, peace ;)

          dash (3 years ago)

          the problem with the whole sakura thing here is that both sides are just speculatios for now, however I disagree with the literary rule of show don’t tell. first of all there is also a literary rule of EDITING, you simply cannot show EVERYTHING that you want regarding the background of a certain character. besides, Sakura being shown cleaning house could imply a hundred things so the cry of sakura is now an abused /housewife/ no longer medic nin therefore all her character is down the drain is stupid. This gave the creators opportunity to explore more paths for her character in the miniseries since they did not clearly state what she is up to now. Moreover, I find it really really offensive (specially, these cries coming from women, supposedly supporting feminism) that IF sakura is really no longer a medic nin and is now a full time mom and housewife that somehow- her character is diminished. being a fulltime housewife/mother is one of the hardest jobs in the world and should not be used to lessen the strength and worth of anyone’s character — so I don’t agree with your statement that Kishi could have done her conclusion better – because this implies you are not satisfied with her being JUST a housewife/mom

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Yeaah, in a manga about ninjas (strong emphasis on ninjas) you show the last image of your heroine cleaning houses. Really? Can we just stop justifying Kishi’s shitty writing? Really now. Especially given Sakura’s character traits. But he probably forgot what he wrote, I mean, this ending is filled with it.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @dash

          You are trying to speculate again
          What was presente to us in the manga last chapter pages? Sakura dusting shelves
          Was it underwhelming for the goals her character had? Yes
          End of story.

          But nevertheless kishi’s known for his god awful writing when it comes to women so I kinda already expected this.
          Besides if you think her character is going to be explored in the minseries think again. She wasnt explored in the normal manga where she was MC what makes you think she is going to be explored there when kishi already said things will focus on Sasuke and Bolt?

          The literary rule “show don’t tell” exists for the fact that somethings can’t just work when you tell them, however you can’t show everything either, because then we would have a story based on flashbacks like kishi did. So this rule has to be taken with a grain of salt of course.

          But Sakura’s a MC so she is certainly affected by this rule, we needed know of her backstory and things like that, as these things would certainly help her character becom more deep and complex in the eyes of a reader, of course not to a point she would hog the spotlight like Sasuke did sometimes

          Hell we didn’t even knew her parents name before RtN, just shows how much Kishi really cared for her.

        Orenji (3 years ago)

        so by your logic should I consider Road to Ninja canon as well because Kishimoto was heavily involved and it wasn’t stated officially as not canon.

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          No, only those stories which were confirmed by the mangaka itself are considered to be canon.

          For example, some of the One Piece movies are canon because the mangaka Oda himself confirmed the movies as canon.

          Same goes to The Last which was confirmed as canon by Kishimoto himself.

          On the other hand Road To Ninja was never confirmed as canon by Kishimoto, further, there was another writter Yuka Miyata who wrotte almost all NaruSaku fillers in the television series.

Orenji (3 years ago)

Saying Sakura might be doing something else beside be a housewife doesn’t work even as headcanon because look what other characters are doing while Sakura is at home cleaning they are working. Naruto has an important meeting, Shino is teaching, Tenten works in a store,, Lee is training, Shikamaru and Shizune helping Naruto, it shows that if Sakura was still a med ninja she shouldn’t be at home at that hour cleaning, what more in the image she is cleaning she has done some manicure or something, I dont believe a med ninja can work with those nails.she looks superficial and cares more how she looks all to please her Sasuke kun.

    narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

    She never wanted to be a medical ninja, Nuff Said…….

      Guy (3 years ago)

      Irrelevant.
      What matters is showing Sakura active with something since she expressed interest on catching up with her teammates/helping Naruto as hokage, show her contributing somehow.
      The way she was showed in the last chapter is underwhelming

      Vic (3 years ago)

      She wanted to support Naruto and Sasuke and the only way to do it was to become a medical ninja is something she pick on her own or came to her own conclusion .. Your answer implies as if she was coerce into it and she was not.. She decided to do it and went to Tsunade to beg her to take her as her disciple and Tsunade agreed after Shizune decide to take up on the final steps to become a medical ninja..

      Dunno where you came up with that answer

narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

Its sad that someone has to bring up the Sasori fight, that fight was plain bad writing on Kishi’s part so don’t bring it up. *Sigh*, you like Chatte seem to think that Sakura is hated because of her romantic aspect which is not true. In the beginning she insults Naruto, is a fangirl, useless, and cries a lot, that’s the main things she is hated for. She drops the fangirl stuff in Chunin Exams and that aspect is completely gone after that at all, she becomes like a sister to Naruto, see that’s good but Kishi decides to keep some of her negative aspects. She is still useless and is just forced into something to make her look good (Kishi’s bad writing -_-), and she still constantly cries. Don’t let the Naruto self inserts fool you into thinking that her loving Sasuke is why she is hated. I agree with the rest of your paragraph.

You bring up the Kage Summit because it destroys NaruSaku as Sasuke is brought back into the equation and we get Sakura’s POV. The Fake Confession was something that made Sakrua more hated (But I can understand it so I dont hate her for that) not her loving Sasuke. Yeah Sakura really sucks, Kishi screwed her over but its not exclusive to females as ALL of the Konoha 11 expect Shikamaru and Team 7 are COMPLETELY neglected.

She DOES NOT have NEGATIVE development as she is not stated to not take shit from Sasuke. She gets sad in one panel when he states the blunt truth which is that she can’t do anything against a god, stop blowing it out of proportions. She doesn’t lack self respect for trying to save the man whom she loves from going into “darkness

“–Besides you see how the romantic “development” of SS is deeply connected o Sakura’s negative development? For her it would be best if such development would be neglected entirely!”

Lol no, her negative development lacks outside of SS which is Kishi’s disregard for characters other than Uchihas and such..

–”Then we have the end, where we see Sakura one of the strongest females ninjas ( even through her limitations) dusting a house…thats our last image of her…cleaning…the last image of someone who wanted to catch up with her teammates.”

This IS NOT the last time we see her she is going to be in Part 3, she is waiting for Salad to come home, all the other ninjas aren’t doing shit. She literally cannot catch up to the gods known as Naruto/Sasuke, in fact that isn’t a job.

“–Futhermore Sakura’s hiden is not canon, it isn’t made by kishimoto, and even if it was, it doesnt change how kishimto chose to portray her in the last pages of his manga. He could easily for example show her at the hospital or being an adivisor by Narutos side (as it was hinted through the story ) but instead he showed her fighting dust bunnies. Its to be expected though, Kishimoto is known for his secist and tradonalist views futher showed by his treatment of femalce characters in the manga”

Kishi isn’t sexist, he states that he is bad at making females which is why you get sucky characters like Hinata. And Sakura never once stated she wanted to be a medic so that’s irrelevant…

    Guy (3 years ago)

    - The sasori fight was good I don’t understand why you think it was bad

    — That were her part 1 characteristics, she changed these, however her inability to stand up to Sasuke, and how she was always useless around him mostly remained (or returned in late part 2)
    Just think, why she constantly cries? why she always seems so weak regarding her emotions in the war arc? eah, because of Sasuke, so yeah mate, unfortunately SS is part of Sakura’s weak development
    She doesn’t really becomes like a sister to him since Naruto had romantic feelings for her ( at least until they were retconned).
    After the chuunin exams she is still a fangirl, she recognizes her weakness but she doesnt work on it till part 1 end, why? She was busy fangirling over Sasuke

    –KS arc was bad for her cahracter because it negates the foreshadowing fomr the end of part 1 and deems Sakura as useless once again. I already explained this.
    The fake confession hurt her yes, but it wasnt part of my argument

    –It wasnt only this panel, she is shown getting worked up after everything Sasuke says, showing insecureness around him and in the end goes back to her part 1 mode and re-hashs her confession, even adimitting she is pathetic herself, alas negative development

    –SS is part of her negative development, hell the pairing itself has negative development and Sakura is part of it how can she not be affected?

    –I already told you, stop bringing this money grab Burrito thing. Naruto’s saga is over. Sakura’s last panel in the manga was dusting shelves. It was completely underwhelming for what her character wanted.

    –Kishimoto is sexist, his manga has a lot of panels that shows him as such. I can say one where father tells young kurenai she shouldn’t fight just she could live and give him grandchildren and this is taken as a good thing, then we have the fact that most women in the epilogue are seemingly housewives even women with a strong personality like Temari ( who looks like she is on crack). Then there is also the fact that the main women from the manga have their lives revolved around men, With ones such as Sakura and Hinata showing themselves to be glorified pairing fodders. And even relatively good characters like Tsunade and Mei Terumi suffer from this.
    Besides he is bad at every character development, not only from the ladies part. Kishi was pratically hand-guided into making the story from early on and when his main editor left the story began to get real bad, he simply lacks talent.

      narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

      Irrelevant, Sasori should have killed Sakura/Chiyo no sweat but Kishi came up with a cop out that he wanted to die, the Sasuke Vs Danzo/Deidara, Naruto Vs Kakazu/Pain was good but it reeked of plot armor and bad writing.

      She has one bullshit fight and you thin she’s useful, really she didn’t even fight in the Pain Arc. Sakura doesnt see Naruto romantically meaning she sees him as a brother as she cares about him a lot. She constantly cries because shes useless so wha, negative development means she regresses she just doesn’t have development in her romatnci life other than she grows love for Sasuke.

      –”KS arc was bad for her cahracter because it negates the foreshadowing fomr the end of part 1 and deems Sakura as useless once again. I already explained this.
      The fake confession hurt her yes, but it wasnt part of my argument”

      Agreed.

      –”It wasnt only this panel, she is shown getting worked up after everything Sasuke says, showing insecureness around him and in the end goes back to her part 1 mode and re-hashs her confession, even adimitting she is pathetic herself, alas negative development”

      Please tell me when, she does it three times, once when she thinks Sasuke doesn’t care about her (Which he does), when Sasuke says he only saved Kakashi and her because Naruto was there, and when Sasuke tells her she cant do shit. She thinks that it is pathetic because she cant do anything but confess

      –SS is part of her negative development, hell the pairing itself has negative development and Sakura is part of it how can she not be affected?”

      It isnt..

      –I already told you, stop bringing this money grab Burrito thing. Naruto’s saga is over. Sakura’s last panel in the manga was dusting shelves. It was completely underwhelming for what her character wanted.”

      How is it a cash grab, its showing Naruto’s children?

      –Kishimoto is sexist, his manga has a lot of panels that shows him as such. I can say one where father tells young kurenai she shouldn’t fight just she could live and give him grandchildren and this is taken as a good thing, then we have the fact that most women in the epilogue are seemingly housewives even women with a strong personality like Temari ( who looks like she is on crack). Then there is also the fact that the main women from the manga have their lives revolved around men, With ones such as Sakura and Hinata showing themselves to be glorified pairing fodders. And even relatively good characters like Tsunade and Mei Terumi suffer from this.”

      LOL, He says that he wants her too live so she could give the will of fire to her children.

      Besides he is bad at every character development, not only from the ladies part. Kishi was pratically hand-guided into making the story from early on and when his main editor left the story began to get real bad, he simply lacks talent.”

      No, he made some very good characters and good arcs, he is skilled…

        Guy (3 years ago)

        @Naruto’s awesome

        “Irrelevant, Sasori should have killed Sakura/Chiyo no sweat but Kishi came up with a cop out that he wanted to die, the Sasuke Vs Danzo/Deidara, Naruto Vs Kakazu/Pain was good but it reeked of plot armor and bad writing.”

        —So you thought it was bad because Sasori lost? I mean he was just fighting one of the best puppeters in Suna and the hokage’s apprentice, besides he was relatively the weakest member of Akatsuki next to Deidara.
        He also gave them a lot of trouble, Sakura would die without Chiyo and Chiyo would die without Sakura

        “She has one bullshit fight and you thin she’s useful, really she didn’t even fight in the Pain Arc. Sakura doesnt see Naruto romantically meaning she sees him as a brother as she cares about him a lot. She constantly cries because shes useless so wha, negative development means she regresses she just doesn’t have development in her romatnci life other than she grows love for Sasuke.”

        –Sakura was very useful during the first arc in part 2 not only she saved Kankuro’s alife but she and Chiyo were the first ones defeating and killing a Akatsuki member, she also got the information necessary to kickstart the Sai & Sasuke arc.
        From Sai & Sasuke arc she was still important, she was merely relegated to a healing background in it and in the consecutive arcs had almost no battle development ( which is bad ), but she showcased development in her emotional/psychological areas when she made her mind to fight Sasuke, when she sleflessly said to naruto she would save Sasuke herself so he wouldn’t hurt himself further, etc.
        So yeah, during early part 2 she wasnt useless, this trait only came back in KS arc where she really showcased traits from part 1 Sakura and kickstarted her negative development

        Sakura doesnt see Naruto as a brother, I don’t know where people take this shit from, if anything he is her close friend and teammate, there were hints she might feel something more for him, but NS was one sided, there were only hints from Sakura’s part, no confirmation.
        Now please you purposely avoided my inquiry

        Just think, why she constantly cries? why she always seems so weak regarding her emotions in the war arc?
        The answer is obvious
        because of Sasuke, so yeah mate, unfortunately SS is part of Sakura’s weak development
        It is what it is

        “Agreed.”

        —Well at least this :D

        ”It wasnt only this panel, she is shown getting worked up after everything Sasuke says, showing insecureness around him and in the end goes back to her part 1 mode and re-hashs her confession, even adimitting she is pathetic herself, alas negative development”

        “Please tell me when, she does it three times, once when she thinks Sasuke doesn’t care about her (Which he does), when Sasuke says he only saved Kakashi and her because Naruto was there, and when Sasuke tells her she cant do shit. She thinks that it is pathetic because she cant do anything but confess”

        — Basically everytime she speaks with Sasuke this happens, she feels insecure and weak and doesnt stand up to him. Sasuke is boldly honest and speaks what is on his mind,
        Sakura just wilts and accepts what he has to say unlike Naruto or Kakashi
        She is indeed pathetic at that scene, she is re-hashing her part 1 confession when it served to no purpose before, she is backpedalling her own development, she is clearly saying that during the whole manga she was never able to understand him. Just this shows how much SS is a faulty pairing.

        If Kishi wanted SS to be better he had to make Sakura more selfless regarding sasuke and at least make her understand him, for example, she is never given the truth about the Uchiha, on her mind Itachi is still a villain, this is mind boggling thing if she was indeed supposed to be Sasuke’s love interest at the end.
        It just shows KIshi didn’t give two shits about this pairing.

        “It isnt..”

        –Yeah, keep saying this to yourself, someday maybe you can actually believe it (not)

        “How is it a cash grab, its showing Naruto’s children?”

        –It is just how the industry works
        It is the same thing as GT was from dragon ball, a shameless try to keep milking the franchise.
        Naruto could easily end during part 2, with a good epilogue and everything, instead we got a epilogue set up for the Burrito series;

        “LOL, He says that he wants her too live so she could give the will of fire to her children.”

        —The conotations are there, the traditionalist views are there, thay are blatant on that scene
        “Woman must not battle, because they must have children and pass the will of fire on to them”

        “No, he made some very good characters and good arcs, he is skilled…”

        —Just read his interview with Kobayashi.
        The man didn’t had the ideas for: Chuunin exam arc, Gaara, Orochimaru, the full power of the sharingan which got constantly retconned. he wanted to make the Naruto story about a young ramen delivery boy who travelled through the world

        The truth is Kishimoto was guided by his first and main editor Yahagi, he was the one who gave most of the ideas, and the onw who set up the history being in a ninja universe included. He left after Sasuke got his MS, which explains the falldown of the quality in the series after the Itachi vs Sasuke fight

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          LOL, because the quality wasn’t a crap before Sasuke getting MS? Just tons of retcons, logic fails and other nasty stuff! ;P

          Also, something tells me that if there will be another Kobayashi or other interview then Kishimoto will even say other stuff that could ballbusting NaruSaku and other shippingers. ;P

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Julius

          Why are you so desperate for a interview with kishi ballbusting NS yet again?
          Are you somehow still butthurt?

          and lol at your claim that you are not that guy from youtube, you end your statements with “:p” the same way he did, pretty subtle you are

Clan Lord Uzumaki (3 years ago)

About this claim that the NH fans supposedly lobbied for the ending we got and Kishimot was forced into it, didn’t Kishi himself say he was on the fence about whether to go with NS or NH, but eventually decided on NH. I have to take his word over the second/third hand claims of some guy on Tumblr. No offense to you or him

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    No offense to you neither. It’s Kishi who kept going back and forth with what he actually chose to do (if you’d analyze his interviews, you’d see the things he says are contradicting themselves) until he revealed in the Kobayashi interview that the reason he did this were because of the angry fangirls letter he received from people telling him this or that about Hinata while I quote “she was doing nothing”. After all, if you’re willing to take Kishi’s word for it. He basically said the same thing as “the guy on Tumblr” (who isn’t from Tumblr btw, I just said that it was a thing that circulated on Tumblr) in that interview.
    No offense to you neither, as I said! At least you are respectful enough about the whole thing, so props and no problem. :)

      Clan Lord Uzumaki (3 years ago)

      Did he specifically say it was because of “angry fangirls’ letters” I only have your summary of the interview to go on and that just says his decision was based on a rise in Hinata’s popularity.

      Rex Julius (3 years ago)

      LOL, so you now twisting too?

      All Kishimoto said that Hinata was popular despite being shown little, no where was any fangirls forced him crap. It’s just your paranoid hallucination. ;P

      Oh, and he mentioned a youtube boy, not a tumblr guy. ;P

        Guy (3 years ago)

        @Rex Julius
        Oda said he received fangirl’s letters asking for more romance in One Piece
        Think a little
        If OP (a series that isn’t focused on romance) reeaived letters asking for it, don’t you think Naruto ( a series where the romantic conotations are even stronger and the pairing teases are abundant) would receive it too? Maybe even more fangirl letters than One Piece?

        So yean, based on Kishi’s naive and weak personality I could see him changing the story to please some fans and those letters might have given him the wrong idea

          Guy (3 years ago)

          *receive letters

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          LOL, in Naruto only pairing teases happened but there was never any real romantic stuff.

          What do you think, why:
          – Didn’t Kishimoto gave ANY girlfriend to Naruto in the entire manga?
          – Why didn’t Naruto answered to Hinata’s confession right after Pain was defeated LIKE the protagonist did to the main female in Lovely Complex?
          Etc.

          Also, you still don’t have clue that if shipping fangirls wrotte to him nor even if they were NaruSaku, NaruHina or any other fangirls. ;P

          Guy (3 years ago)

          “pairing teases of romantic pairings =/= not romantic in nature ”
          ROFL

          LMAO please are you that dumb?

          OP has next to zero pairing teases and “romance” compared to Naruto where the subplot was quite big

          amy (3 years ago)

          tsk tskt sk, speculations speculations. just because oda received it doesnt mean kishi did too. and now you are forming headcanons of kishi’s character. nobody really know him and his decisions to the manga

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @amy

          “sk tskt sk, speculations speculations. just because oda received it doesnt mean kishi did too. and now you are forming headcanons of kishi’s character. nobody really know him and his decisions to the manga”

          Use your head a little
          OP = series with little romance, Oda received letters
          Naruto= series with multiple pairing teases, Kishi received no letter?

          LOL, as I said use your brain a little and you will see how you are making no sense :D

narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

-Sasori is the 5th strongest Akatsuki behind Nagato, Itachi, Obito, and Orochimaru, he should have raped both of them…..

-You see this is why you don’t give a MAIN CHARACTER healing, its a cheap way of not showing them it would be find if she battled and healed but nope that’s the answer to why Sakura isn’t doing shit “She’s healing”. LMAO, Sakura was DEAD WEIGHT in one of the most crucial moments in the beginning when Sasuke shows up, she literally doesn’t do shit, there’s your awesome queen before this “horrible” ending.

Close friend and brother is pretty synonymous for me so one of or the other is fine. Of course I know why she cries, Sasuke is out becoming more evil, I just said that SS wasn’t “negative” because of this as Sasuke had to be good to be in a relationship with her.

Nope, those are pretty much the only ones, she isnt “insecure” around him, I dont think you know what negative development is, its regression, it would be find if Sakura stated that she would stand up to Sasuke but not do it but alas that wasnt the case at all in fact it ties into what Shikamaru’s dad said which was “women are tender around the ones they love'” and this applies to almost everyone in the shoe. Her saying she is “pathetic” is akin to Naruto saying he’s selfish or stupid, Sasuke questioning why he lived and why Sakura loves him, its pretty much characters self pitying themselves, she isn’t pathetic..

LOL, Kakashi? The same guy who liked Sasuke balls after he said that he was useless and he was the new leader, REALLY? Naruto is pretty much the only one to take Sasuke’s shit.

Sigh. Kurenai father is about to die, Kurenai wants to fight he says no because he wants her to live and give him a child which will inherit the will of fire, that isnt sexist.

Really? He obviously got help from somebody, his original idea was that so what, he changed it with the guidance of Yahaigi and made a wonder story.
Sure the quality dropped after the Itachi fight but we had some really good moments, Madarra, FIve Kage Arc, Pain Ac BEFORE Naruto came back, and Naruto Vs Sasuke…..And lol I thought the quality went down in the Pain Arc

    Guy (3 years ago)

    –LOL
    Are you saying Sasori is stronger than
    Kakuzu ( with 5 hearts plus experience dated from the time of the 1 hokage)
    Hidan ( who is pratically immortal)
    Kisame ( who is a monster and pratically unbeateable in his own field)
    Konan ( who defeated him, in the Akatsuki storyline and has a power which would be parefect match for Sasori’s wood puppets)
    I think you are really a Sasori fanboy

    –Hey…She isn’t my queen, she is a poor heroine but her participations at the first arc is admirable. Besides healing is also important, but you are right on the fact that kishimoto should have focused more in giving her battles or show her training. But I believe I highlighted how her emotional/psychological side developed in early part 2, you got this right?

    Sakura in the first Sasuke part 2 confrotation at least looked ready to attack him without pussying out, Yamato stopped her though because he knew Sasuke was looking for the kill and Sakura was open for it
    But really Naruto was also useless in this fight if you don’t remember.

    –LOL at Sasuke is evil.
    Just by Sakura’s stupid perpective. He is justified, she just thinks he is “evil” because she never go to truly understand him, he is essentialy an anti hero
    Sasuke was only truly deranged at the KS arc and even there he wasn’t on his right mind
    What a sorry excuse ” Sasuke had o be good to stay with Sakura”, what he is ? A dog?
    Your excuses are getting worse and worse

    First you call Sakura useless because she kept crying, I asked you the motive and you deflected. You are better than this bro

    –She is not tender around Sasuke, she is insecure and weak.
    She is tender sometimes though around Naruto (tsundere) , so this really shouldn’t be an argument you should use

    What happened with Sakura is character regression:

    “Sasuke-kun don’t go, please, I would be sad”
    “Naruto, I will help you, I won’t be dead wieight anymore! ”
    “I’m useless, I can’t do nothing”
    “I’m pathetic, I never understood you but I love you Sasuke-kun, don’t do this, I would be sad”

    /\
    REGRESSION

    You understand now?

    Besides she is re-hasing her part 1 selfish confession which didn’t work…in hopes that it would somehow work. That’s dumb…and pathetic

    —Not only Naruto, Taka withstood it as well
    Kakash knew of the situation but he wasn’t pleased with Sasuke’s insolence and he was vocal. Sakura just wilted

    —It is. Why he couldn’t say that to everybody? Why his phrase had such a sexist, tradionalist conotation?
    I mean it takes two to get a child, a men and a women. Why the focus on the women?

    —Yahagi was he brains, kishi was the art. This was it
    The idea of the story didn’t even came from him. He heard everything the editors said and kept at it after Yahagi left. Clearly these new editors weren’t as competent and so the quality decreased. Just read the kobayashi – kishi interview
    I can give you point for the Pein arc, but the ending and after it everything was quite the trash. I said before didn’t you see? You pointed out how quality dropped after the Itachi fight and you were right. I was sying Pein arc because I genuinely liked Pein arc even with it’s problems.
    naruto vs Sasuke was shit, seriously. A final fight so underwhelming it took only 5 chapters. everybody already knew how it would turn out

    Naruto Vs Sasuke part 1 >>> Naruto vs Sasuke part 2

    so much hype for nothing

    Guy (3 years ago)

    –LOL
    Are you saying Sasori is strong than
    Kakuzu ( with 5 hearts plus experience dated from the time of the 1 hokage)
    Hidan ( who is pratically immortal)
    Kisame ( who is a monster and pratically unbeateable in his own field)
    Konan ( who defeated him, in the Akatsuki storyline and has a power which would be parefect match for Sasori’s wood puppets)
    I think you are really a Sasori fanboy

    –Hey…She isn’t my queen, she is a poor heroine but her participations at the first arc is admirable. Besides healing is also important, but you are right on the fact that kishimoto should have focused more in giving her battles or show her training. But I believe I highlighted how her emotional/psychological side developed in early part 2, you got this right?

    Sakura in the first Sasuke part 2 confrotation at least looked ready to attack him without pussying out, Yamato stopped her though because he knew Sasuke was looking for the kill and Sakura was open for it
    But really Naruto was also useless in this fight if you don’t remember.

    –LOL at Sasuke is evil.
    Just by Sakura’s stupid perpective. He is justified, she just thinks he is “evil” because she never go to truly understand him, he is essentialy an anti hero
    Sasuke was only truly deranged at the KS arc and even there he wasn’t on his right mind
    What a sorry excuse ” Sasuke had o be good to stay with Sakura”, what he is ? A dog?
    Your excuses are getting worse and worse

    First you call Sakura useless because she kept crying, I asked you the motive and you deflected. You are better than this bro

    –She is not tender around Sasuke, she is insecure and weak.
    She is tender sometimes though around Naruto (tsundere) , so this really shouldn’t be an argument you should use

    What happened with Sakura is character regression:

    “Sasuke-kun don’t go, please, I would be sad”
    “Naruto, I will help you, I won’t be dead wieight anymore! ”
    “I’m useless, I can’t do nothing”
    “I’m pathetic, I never understood you but I love you Sasuke-kun, don’t do this, I would be sad”

    /\
    REGRESSION

    You understand now?

    Besides she is re-hasing her part 1 selfish confession which didn’t work…in hopes that it would somehow work. That’s dumb…and pathetic

    —Not only Naruto, Taka withstood it as well
    Kakash knew of the situation but he wasn’t pleased with Sasuke’s insolence and he was vocal. Sakura just wilted

    —It is. Why he couldn’t say that to everybody? Why his phrase had such a sexist, tradionalist conotation?
    I mean it takes two to get a child, a men and a women. Why the focus on the women?

    —Yahagi was he brains, kishi was the art. This was it
    The idea of the story didn’t even came from him. He heard everything the editors said and kept at it after Yahagi left. Clearly these new editors weren’t as competent and so the quality decreased. Just read the kobayashi – kishi interview
    I can give you point for the Pein arc, but the ending and after it everything was quite the trash. I said before didn’t you see? You pointed out how quality dropped after the Itachi fight and you were right. I was sying Pein arc because I genuinely liked Pein arc even with it’s problems.
    naruto vs Sasuke was shit, seriously. A final fight so underwhelming it took only 5 chapters. everybody already knew how it would turn out

    Naruto Vs Sasuke part 1 >>> Naruto vs Sasuke part 2

    so much hype for nothing

      Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

      All I want to say is that people underestimate Sasori so damn hard. Kakuzu and all the others can do him jack shit given he’s immortal himself, remember (half doll, half human aka the chakra core in his heart) and works with poisons… from distance.
      He can easily outdo them all if he wants. Minus Pein cuz oh well, Shinra Tensei and all that.

      Just because some people don’t think scenarios that Sasori would outdo his opponent, doesn’t mean he can’t. But ofc, because it’s a Sakura battle, people underestimate Sasori as well cuz bananas.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        I think Sasori is strong, he is a S class missing nin after all
        Its just that compared to some other people in Akatsuki, he is kind of weak.

        Nevertheless it was an amazing feat for sakura and Chiyo to have defeated him

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          People voted it best 3rd fight of the series back in DB3 so you can’t come here and tell me it was bad writing when it wasn’t (generally speaking btw).

          Sasori fight didn’t had only fight, that’s the beauty of it. It has almost everything you could wish from a fight and from a literary POV: character development, themes brought back from Part 1 that which we all loved, cool movements and all that.
          The only people that don’t admit that that fight was cool are usually Sakura haters.
          After all Sasori, the man, fucking conquered a country by his own. And he wasn’t quite the stealthy guy like Itachi, for example.

        Rex Julius (3 years ago)

        And maybe because he was solod by loser fodders along with Deidara despite being enhanced with super immortality and super wolverine regeneration and even his grandma took longer than him in the entire pinky war arc.

      narutoisawesome (3 years ago)

      –LOL
      Are you saying Sasori is strong than
      Kakuzu ( with 5 hearts plus experience dated from the time of the 1 hokage)
      Hidan ( who is pratically immortal)
      Kisame ( who is a monster and pratically unbeateable in his own field)
      Konan ( who defeated him, in the Akatsuki storyline and has a power which would be parefect match for Sasori’s wood puppets)
      I think you are really a Sasori fanboy”

      He is, he has 100 puppets, he conquered an entire country, he defeated the strongest Kazekage. Hidan is the weakest Akatsuki, Konan would give him a good battle but he would still win, Kisame is strong but Konan could defeat him. I like Sasori, but not a fanboy.

      –Hey…She isn’t my queen, she is a poor heroine but her participations at the first arc is admirable. Besides healing is also important, but you are right on the fact that kishimoto should have focused more in giving her battles or show her training. But I believe I highlighted how her emotional/psychological side developed in early part 2, you got this right?

      Healing is a cheap way to neglect a character, she was stated to be good at genjutsu but that’s completely ignored and replaced with the dumb super strength…

      Sakura in the first Sasuke part 2 confrotation at least looked ready to attack him without pussying out, Yamato stopped her though because he knew Sasuke was looking for the kill and Sakura was open for it
      But really Naruto was also useless in this fight if you don’t remember.”

      Dude, she literally stands there after Sasuke pierces Yamato, and seeing that Sasuke just stabbed Yamato he didn’t have the intent to kill.

      –LOL at Sasuke is evil.
      Just by Sakura’s stupid perpective. He is justified, she just thinks he is “evil” because she never go to truly understand him, he is essentialy an anti hero
      Sasuke was only truly deranged at the KS arc and even there he wasn’t on his right mind
      What a sorry excuse ” Sasuke had o be good to stay with Sakura”, what he is ? A dog?
      Your excuses are getting worse and worse
      First you call Sakura useless because she kept crying, I asked you the motive and you deflected. You are better than this bro”

      I said she was useless not because her crying (I stated it as one of the reasons why she didn’t grow and is hated) but because she had one bullshit fight. You said SS is bad because Sasuke makes her cry, I stated the reason why he makes her cry and that she wont cry anymore as he is good…..

      What happened with Sakura is character regression:

      “Sasuke-kun don’t go, please, I would be sad”
      “Naruto, I will help you, I won’t be dead wieight anymore! ”
      “I’m useless, I can’t do nothing”
      “I’m pathetic, I never understood you but I love you Sasuke-kun, don’t do this, I would be sad”

      /\
      REGRESSION

      You understand now?

      Lol, the only regression you stated was the “i’ll help you next time, Naruto” scene and even then its Kishi’s fault for making Sakura shitty.

      —Not only Naruto, Taka withstood it as well
      Kakash knew of the situation but he wasn’t pleased with Sasuke’s insolence and he was vocal. Sakura just wilted”

      In the beginning only Suigestu would stick up for himself, Karin was always a fangirl and i’ll direct you and anyone else who thinks Karin sticks up for herself to the Five Kage Arc…

      —It is. Why he couldn’t say that to everybody? Why his phrase had such a sexist, tradionalist conotation?
      I mean it takes two to get a child, a men and a women. Why the focus on the women?”

      Kurenai wanted to battle that’s why……

      —Yahagi was he brains, kishi was the art. This was it
      The idea of the story didn’t even came from him. He heard everything the editors said and kept at it after Yahagi left. Clearly these new editors weren’t as competent and so the quality decreased. Just read the kobayashi – kishi interview
      I can give you point for the Pein arc, but the ending and after it everything was quite the trash. I said before didn’t you see? You pointed out how quality dropped after the Itachi fight and you were right. I was sying Pein arc because I genuinely liked Pein arc even with it’s problems.
      naruto vs Sasuke was shit, seriously. A final fight so underwhelming it took only 5 chapters. everybody already knew how it would turn out”

      Agreed. Naruto Vs Sasuke was trash but its obviously going to be amazing in the anime, look at the Kakashi Vs Obito fight, IT DIDNT EVEN HAPPEN AND IT WAS STILL EPIC.

      @Chatte
      Epic fights =/= good battle. Sasuke Vs Deidara was epic but it sucked badly due to Plot Armor so was Naruto Vs Pain. You seem to be the kind of person who also thinks Sasuke is better than Danzo or Naruto is better than Sasuke…..

        Guy (3 years ago)

        @naruto’s awesome

        “He is, he has 100 puppets, he conquered an entire country, he defeated the strongest Kazekage. Hidan is the weakest Akatsuki, Konan would give him a good battle but he would still win, Kisame is strong but Konan could defeat him. I like Sasori, but not a fanboy.”

        —You can argue about Hidan, but the guy would be immune to Sasori’s poison, the fight could go either way
        Konan would end Sasori, her paper bombs power is the worst match up for his wood puppets
        Kisami would end him cutting the chakra threads with Samehada or levelling the field with his open ocean techinique
        Sasori is strong, but in the Akatsuki e one of the weaskest

        “Healing is a cheap way to neglect a character, she was stated to be good at genjutsu but that’s completely ignored and replaced with the dumb super strength…”

        –I don’t agree with your point about healing, but I think Sakura could have a bigger moveset
        You are right, her ability on genjutsu could be worked upon

        “Dude, she literally stands there after Sasuke pierces Yamato, and seeing that Sasuke just stabbed Yamato he didn’t have the intent to kill.”

        —She tried to attack him, she didn’t whine or cry atm, she just made her mind and attacked. The fight was pretty short, even Naruto was rendered useless. But Sakura’s determination was important showcase for character development, I wonder where did it go?

        “I said she was useless not because her crying (I stated it as one of the reasons why she didn’t grow and is hated) but because she had one bullshit fight. You said SS is bad because Sasuke makes her cry, I stated the reason why he makes her cry and that she wont cry anymore as he is good…..”

        –You were annoyed by her crying and uselesness, don’t deny ;)
        SS is part of it, its a fact, It could have been better worked upon bu t it wasnt

        Its cheap you know, “Sasuke is good now so she wont cry anymore”, this is stupid and only strenghtens her role as sasuke’s tool. Sakura as a MC should have the power to stand up to herself and not depend on anyone

        “Lol, the only regression you stated was the “i’ll help you next time, Naruto” scene and even then its Kishi’s fault for making Sakura shitty.”

        –Didn’t you saw how she went back to how she was at the beginning? Either way at least you acknowledged it

        “In the beginning only Suigestu would stick up for himself, Karin was always a fangirl and i’ll direct you and anyone else who thinks Karin sticks up for herself to the Five Kage Arc…”

        –Both Karin and Suigetsu didn’t take his shit. Karin’s character was murdered after the kage summit though, she became just a crazy fan girl

        “Kurenai wanted to battle that’s why……”

        –So did everyone else

        “Agreed. Naruto Vs Sasuke was trash but its obviously going to be amazing in the anime, look at the Kakashi Vs Obito fight, IT DIDNT EVEN HAPPEN AND IT WAS STILL EPIC.”

        —Yeah, maybe Pierrot could do a good job for once, who knows.
        Fact remains, it was trash in the manga

          Rex Julius (3 years ago)

          Guy (44 mins ago)

          “@Rex Julius

          Oh, so you were that guy?
          Funny, I really didn’t know your arguments could get so weak and biased but then agaqin you said “that person” *AKA you) was trolling so it makes sense
          .
          I actually responded to this arguments back in youtube so I’m not going to lose time in them again
          Peace ;)”

          LOL, nope, I am not. Looks like paranoia killed even your last sanity. Sweet! ;P

          Guy (3 years ago)

          Uhuh sure you weren’t…

Orenji (3 years ago)

It truly is one of the better fights in part 2 it was tense and one mistake against someone like Sasori means death.
the word weak and Akatsuki don’t mix, Sasori is an S class missing nin that can take over a nation and killed the third kazekage and he is clearly the one giving the orders to both Deidara and Orochimaru.
the fight’s ending isn’t a cop out, Sakura and Chiyo selflessness in the fight caused Sasori to realize deep down he is still human and not a doll it made him question his way of living and choose to put an end to his life. the same way Naruto made Zabuza realize the same thing when Haku sacrificed himself for him.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    don’t think Sasori is weak either, I just think that compared to the other akatsuki he is one of the weakest next to Deidara, but nevertheless the guy is a S classs missing nin he is still pretty strong and capable of puttting some mean damage with his poisons

    It’s just that he would probably lose against members like Konan, Hidan, Kakuzu, Itachi, Nagato, Tobi and Kisame

      Rex Julius (3 years ago)

      “Guy (14 mins ago)

      Uhuh sure you weren’t”

      Uhuh, sure not just NaruSaku fans trolled on yahoo

      Believe what your paranoia says, but I hope that from now on you won’t try to deny the western NaruSaku trollings on japanese yahoo neither, which is far more proveable then your paranoia.

      http://ultraartorius.tumblr.com/post/114614370748/refuting-the-anti-ending-lies-post-by-a

        Guy (3 years ago)

        @Rex
        Good going, you gave us the opinion of one biased fanboy who is not even a native japanese to counter the true insastifaction of the bigger Naruto japan fanbase, Insastifaction that is comproved by the underwhelming sales of the last volume, failure of the movie and whose insastified fans comments were posted with sources to 2ch and what else.

        Your delusion is palpable, keep trying

    Rex Julius (3 years ago)

    LOL and it The Third Kazekage was soo awasome when he…. when he….

    Why was he even so hyped by NaruSaku fans despite unlike the current Kages and some of the previous ones, we never had any fight where we could compare him to someone? Hell, we never even learned his real name!

    Should I even mention that other kages were also killed, who like the Third Kazekage were announced as “badass, strongest” craps, but then revealed when they actually shown in fight that they are suck as hell?

Elsevier (3 years ago)

I guess I found the answer here… maybe…
(1) If I am a NaruHina fan, I will still support the pair, just simply I just like the development going on to them. It is also basically the same thing if I am a NaruSaku fan. (I wonder if there are ones who don’t like ShikaTema). For me, the paired ending does not really matter for me.

(2) I wonder if this is the reason you switch your preferred pairings (for example, from NaruHina to NaruSaku). If it is, I would just laugh. Sakura remains as the main heroine until the end of the series, while Hinata had become one by The Last, as she remains as part of the Konoha 12/some of the supporting cast, only more relevant just like Shikamaru. That’s what I thought towards the manga.

Sure NaruSaku didn’t get canonized, but let’s hope BoruSara do.

    Rex Julius (3 years ago)

    Interesting….

    Well, good luck! ;)

Mustang Bundy (3 years ago)

Dude, what a mouth-karate is here!

If I ever abadon Naruto once and for all, it won’t be the franchise itself, but the fanbase. Before someone would misunderstand I am not talking about certain ones but all of them.

Looks like it was true: Naruto fanbase is the most crappiest of all.

Also interesting that despite Chatte abadoned Naruto she always coming back like the purple guy from Fight Nights At Freddy’s.

Wondering what will Chatte does when the Naruto/Boruto Gaiden will start at April 27th or when the entire Sakura Hiden Novel will be translated.

    Guy (3 years ago)

    The fanbase is indeed the worst, not because of me or Chatte or even you ( I think you are not one of “them”) but because of the multiple trolls , pairing retards (Aka only care about pairings, nothing else, badmouth everyone else) and fanboys out there

      blatantlie (3 years ago)

      not about the pairings huh?…yeah keep telling yourself that

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        Would you guys stop with this shit not about the pairings, keep telling yourself that when Kishimoto and SP MADE it about the pairings? Really, it’s getting bothersome to explain to you that the pairings are the least of the problem when the bad writing is up there high but I guess because for some of you is “definitely not about the pairings”, yet that’s all you turn to into arguments and have no problem with the destroyed establishments of the manga and characters going OOC as hell it’s okay.

          Fengshui (2 years ago)

          Sorry, but I can’t take someone like you seriously who didn’t had problems with:
          – Kakashi becoming OOC in Shikamaru Shippuden
          – Mass resurrection (starting with Gaara whose death could give much more impact to the series than the death of an arc only old fart)
          – DBZ Explosion Battles (which are appeared right when Part 2 started)
          – Logic errors and fails
          – Painfully old cliches

          And even when it was announced that only 5 chapters left instead of calling it bullcrap you drooled and fainting how much this manga is epic etc but when NS didn’t happen it has became suddenly the worst manga to you.

          Really not for offense, but since you neglected all of these things your hatred for the manga is truly bias.

          I don’t even dare to link you the US box office of Road To Ninja which only earned a pathetic 43,000 dollars for the same running time as The Last, which’s CamRip version was out 1 month before the US running, meaning you can’t even blame time for it as because of the CamRip The Last should go tot he same fate as Road To Ninja.

          Box office mojo -> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=roadtoninja.htm

          Not mentioning that since we got the budget of Dragon Ball Z Resurrection Of F which has far better, more flowing and more beautifull animation and a more legendary VA casting than The Last you must explain how the hell could The Last cost more than DBZ ROF if DBZ ROF costed only 5 million dollars with much better animations and more famous VA casting while the animation of The Last is only good compared to other Naruto movies while outside the Naruto franchise it is still ugly as hell (some characters have no faces etc). You can’t even prove your 12 million dollar speculation with official sources – nor the bias 4 million dollar for RTN where the only difference was the slightly better animation -, while DBZ ROF fans can prove with official sources that the budget of DBZ ROF was only 5 million dollars.

          http://deadline.com/2015/04/international-box-office-furious-7-child-44-cinderella-dragonball-z-1201412508/

          “The budget on Resurrection F was just $5M.”

          If this cheap was DBZ ROF, then how much cheaper could be The Last? Surely still more than 2 million, but surely less than 5 million. Just the fact that the main song of DBZ ROF was singed by the MOMOIRO CLOVER Z is already put more into the DBZ’s budget as CLOVER Z is almost as famous as AKB48, the most famous singing band in Japan.

          Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

          Just because I haven’t got the chance to discuss all the problems I’ve had with this manga doesn’t mean I closed my eyes to it. As well, just because I, personally would’ve seen a way in which Kishi could’ve done it nicely doesn’t mean I’m oblivious to all the others, once again.
          That’s just assuming on your part. :)

kim (3 years ago)

because you getting riled up like that means it is about the pairings. even your arguements about sakura’s under development are all rooted to the pairings or the end game. all the bad writing, retcons and plotholes that you so furiously believe have the ships at their core too.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Oh, logic, where have you gone? The reason you can say it’s about the pairings and see me talking about them in the arguments although I have made it clear it’s only a part of it is because, well you know, in the manga these characters develop one alongside each other or one in conjunction WITH the other so not bringing the pairings into discussion – as you like to call it, would be impossible. But I guess it’s hard to follow that strand of logic now, is it?

      jean (3 years ago)

      yeah right chatte, and yet all the problems in naruto that you are complaining about magically gets fixed if you replace hinata with sakura and Karin with sakura in those couple of panels in chapter 700 right? I see you guys liked that edit very much. no use hiding under the pretense of rightfully criticizing and plot centered problems because as many have mentioned before, all your tantrums are due to the end game.

        Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

        Lol, just because I think that picture looks more natural with NS and SK instead of NH and SS doesn’t mean I consider the ending to be good. That’s your BS implication. :)

          sabaku (3 years ago)

          hahahaha HAHAHAHAHA how is sakura visiting neji’s grave and karin being domesticated more natural? just goes to show, it’d take a lot of oocness and twisting everyone’s character not to mention disregard the whole story’s development just to make ns and sk canon.

          Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

          Yes, I saw them more natural but I didn’t exactly say in what case “natural”. But if it fits your argument, then so be it. It’s not like I very much care what you have to say. :)

Shitimoto (3 years ago)

“Some people hated Sakura, but Kishimoto fought for her!”
Seriously, HOW is this his priority? What a damn idiot…
He ruins the COMPLETE ending, for WHAT?
To focus on the damn shipping?
I didn’t care for ANY of the damn girls for about 1000 episodes. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE CARE NOW???
Sakura is so insanely boring… all she does is watch, and sometimes get unrealistically strong for no reason. And Hinata… well, she does about 50% of what Sakura does…
If Kishimoto said that he is bad at romance, then WHY focus on it? This is just SO stupid. Hope he blows all his money on his shitty new show, and then starves to death because nobody watches it, because everyone knows that he will just DESTROY his own show, to piss off the fans. What other reason is there? He LOSES money from this… Kishimoto spends his money, on making people angry… this is even more pathetic then internet trolls, which only waste their time… not time AND money, like this super troll…

Thaeonblade (3 years ago)

First off, I find your anti-hinata and naruhina diatribe childish and annoying because I’m so fed up with shipping wars.
I do agree with you on how Kishimoto didn’t give Sakura’s character the justice that she deserved. But I don’t believe that this is because of fandom pressure. This is because Kishimoto literally wrote in Sakura at the last minute and never figured out what to do with the character. This is a problem present in Part 1 seeing as that Sakura has no drive or motivation as a character that has nothing to do with Naruto or Sasuke.
And this problem persists into Part 2 despite apparent strides on Sakura’s part. Her side-lining also began long before the Pain Arc with her only major moments occurring in the Rescue Gaara Arc and Sai Arc.
Even then, Sakura could’ve been written much better and given more opportunities to demonstrate that she doesn’t suck. Instead, Kishimoto dropped the ball and Sakura suffered progressively more and more for it.
Whether fan pressure really did screw over Sakura or it was an issue of editors fighting with Kishimoto, the fault ultimately leads back to him.
In short, Sakura being “dethroned” as the main heroine was ultimately a failure on Kishimoto’s part. Not because of fandom popularity opinion or else why isn’t Naruto dethroned as the main hero even though Sasuke has often been voted as more popular than Naruto?
PS: I do admit that Kishimoto has a terrible handling with the romance subplots period. But once again, the problems with Sakura’s writing are more because of Kishimoto’s lack of vision and purpose for Sakura.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    First of all, you don’t even know exactly what I hate about Hinata and NaruHina. When you guys use the word hate, you guys don’t even grasp the concept of what I’m talking about when I’m “hating” Hinata. If you’d knew this, all the rest of your comment wouldn’t even be in the same light.
    And yes, Kishimoto is guilty. Did I, by any chance absolved him of guilt? No. But it just happens that because of your fandom this whole thing happened so, I’m sorry, if you wanna be mad at someone, be mad at your fandom, so to speak.
    It’s not like Kishi was talking about other fandoms when he said why he chose to do what he did…

      Light (3 years ago)

      This why I come to your site. Your stupidity is hilarious.

      I noticed you were spouting shit about moral codes during your conversation with Amy. I know you support SasuKarin, which I find highly hypocritical considering that Sasuke literally STABBED Karin through the heart with an intent to kill. Then, you go on to claim how SasuSaku is terrible for the same reason. I hate both pairings and the characters within them. In addition, you seem to support the constant beatings that Sakura has not only given to Naruto, but to other characters such as Sai and Konohamaru. You know what happens to people like that in the real world? They get beat. With logic like this, you are the last person that should be spouting shit about moral codes.

      As for the Boruto bullshit you were spouting, using the established moral codes of our world that Kishi is basing his creation on, it would unethical for Naruto to use clones for either situation. Naruto cannot have a clone go to the Kage meeting or else it would be disrespectful to the present Kages that Naruto couldn’t show up himself for such an important meeting. With Boruto, a clone would have Boruto think that his actual father doesn’t have the time of day for him. Kishimoto solves both of these issues by having the real Naruto talk to Boruto, which made him late for the meeting.

      The other shit about child neglect you were saying is simply, how should I put it in a really nice way, shit.

        Guy (3 years ago)

        @Light

        “As for the Boruto bullshit you were spouting, using the established moral codes of our world that Kishi is basing his creation on, it would unethical for Naruto to use clones for either situation. Naruto cannot have a clone go to the Kage meeting or else it would be disrespectful to the present Kages that Naruto couldn’t show up himself for such an important meeting. With Boruto, a clone would have Boruto think that his actual father doesn’t have the time of day for him. Kishimoto solves both of these issues by having the real Naruto talk to Boruto, which made him late for the meeting.

        The other shit about child neglect you were saying is simply, how should I put it in a really nice way, shit.”

        — Well let’s see, I don’t see why using the shadow clone to stay with Burrito would be such a unethical thing. I mean Shadow clones are Naruto in one manner no?

        But anyway, seeing you trying to disprove the obvious neglect is funny when

        –Burrito was paralleled with part 1 naruto ( who was neglected)
        -Salad , who has an absent father, managed to sympathize with Burrito’s situation
        – Konohamaru’s words hint that Burrito clearly lacks his father in a way and that his pranks happens regularly
        – Naruto’s words telling Burrito to “ENDURE” the lack of his father figure in favor of the village when we know for a matter of fact that other hokages had time to do things other than ruling the village(Hashirama spoiled Tsunade, Tsunade trained Sakura, Sandaime walked around talking and playing with kids for example) and since Naruto’s world is currently at peace I don’t know if his excuse of having that much of work is true
        And what is really strange is Naruto not empathizing with his son and comparing it to how he felt back then

        So yeah no matter how you look at it, Burrito is kind of neglected by his father
        It will be clearly a plot point for the stupid part 3

          Light (3 years ago)

          Oh look, the white knight has arrived.

          Shadow clones are not the real thing. They are still clones.

          Funny, I never said anything about it not being neglect. All I said was what she was spouting was shit. On to address the issue. It’s a simple concept that you people cannot seem to grasp. Iruka himself states that Naruto is extremely busy, since he is the Hokage, meaning that Naruto cannot spend as much time with his family as he did before. Naruto’s statement to Bolt goes on to support this. Simple.

          Those examples of the previous Hokages that you provided are only small instances. And no, Hiruzen did not walk around playing with kids, he from time to time talked to the students at the academy, which was only shown once.

          You guys do love your superficial parallels. Naruto and Bolt have different circumstances. Naruto had no one, and was hated by everyone. Bolt has two loving parents, and a loving sister, friends, a village that doesn’t hate him, and etc. Bolt’s life is heaven, he’s just being a spoiled brat. All that attention that Naruto gave him before he became Hokage spoiled him. Even Konohamaru and Iruka agree with this. Bolt will understand when he gets older. This parallels with the real world. A working parent will not always be there for his or her child. This is what kids have to understand. It’s unintentional neglect. Naruto not having time to spend with his son anymore isn’t intentional.

          Warring times is not the only time a leader is busy. Peace needs to be maintained. Maintaining peace takes just as much work as fighting a war. This has been the case throughout history.

          Nonetheless, Chatte’s credibility on the matters on moral codes is still shit. She cannot claim to support a pairing that has abuse, obsession, and attempt murder while ridiculing another for having the same shit. She cannot go on to support Sakura beating the men around her just because it some how makes her strong woman, when in fact, people who do those actions will meet dreadful consequences.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @Light

          “Oh look, the white knight has arrived.”

          –Heh

          “Shadow clones are not the real thing. They are still clones.”

          –But they can be used to acquire information and make better train, basically the real Naruto would have all the information once the clone dispelled itself,I don’t see any problem in him using it o go to a meeting or to you know have a father son talk. He is known for the his brilliant use of that tech.

          “Funny, I never said anything about it not being neglect. All I said was what she was spouting was shit. On to address the issue. It’s a simple concept that you people cannot seem to grasp. Iruka himself states that Naruto is extremely busy, since he is the Hokage, meaning that Naruto cannot spend as much time with his family as he did before. Naruto’s statement to Bolt goes on to support this. Simple.”

          –And once again you show you lack the capabilty to analyze things further than the surface.
          I mean, I ask of you, why Naruto is so busy like that? The other hokages had their extra time and they spent with their families and loved ones, Hiruzen was seen around the village bonding with the children, Hashirama spoiled Tsunade rotten, etc. Besides this is a peace era right? Nothing there warrants Naruto dedicates everything to his work and end up leaving his son feeling neglected.

          “Those examples of the previous Hokages that you provided are only small instances. And no, Hiruzen did not walk around playing with kids, he from time to time talked to the students at the academy, which was only shown once.”

          –Small instances heh?
          Hashirama spoiling Tsunade rotten means he gave a lot of attention to her everytime, so no, not a small instance. Hiruzen found time to be an important part in the life of every leaf child, just look at their flashbacks in the chapter where he died.
          The fact that “Naruto is too busy to give attention to his family” doesn’t relate to the past that was given to us.

          To put it simply, one of the plot points of part 3 will be obviously the relationship between father and son. Kishimoto needed to find some lame excuse for Burrito to feel neglected and to don’t like his father, so he can resolve it in part 3. The lame excuse is Naruto being busy and not giving Burrito a time of his day, however looking at the past we see that the other hokages didn’t had this problem, so in short, its just that, a lame excuse that makes no sense in context, even more because this is supposed to be a peaceful era, aka less work

          “You guys do love your superficial parallels. Naruto and Bolt have different circumstances. Naruto had no one, and was hated by everyone. Bolt has two loving parents, and a loving sister, friends, a village that doesn’t hate him, and etc. Bolt’s life is heaven, he’s just being a spoiled brat. All that attention that Naruto gave him before he became Hokage spoiled him. Even Konohamaru and Iruka agree with this. Bolt will understand when he gets older. This parallels with the real world. A working parent will not always be there for his or her child. This is what kids have to understand. It’s unintentional neglect. Naruto not having time to spend with his son anymore isn’t intentional.”

          –Oh but this parallel thing wasn’t even mine, it was just by some NH/SS fan to try to justify Burrito’s demeanor, however it just ended up proving my point
          And the point is that Burrito feeld neglected by his father who is mostly absent from his life, we can infer that due to Salad who relates to Burrito in regards that both of them have absent fathers.
          And I found it funny when you guys try to say Burrito is a spoiled brat, I mean just look at the hipocrisy:

          “*beginning of naruto:
          poor naruto he just wants someone to notice him and spend some time with him, he is just a little kid, he’s obviously lonely ): stupid villagers ):

          *end of naruto:
          don’t you guys get that bolt needs to man up, like they don’t have time for him and the village is more important than his ass anyway…kids need to learn the importance of enduring…btw my pairing is the best”

          Besides how do you say that konohamaru and Iruka both infer that burrito was being spoiled before?
          In fact what Konohamaru says is that Burrito is doing the same thing again….which hints his poor parenting skills

          And there is no excuse for neglect between, working parents MUST find time for their children, a child who grows up with absent parents its bound to have resentment or some kind of problem in the future, there are several researchs on the matter, so don’t try to excuse Naruto’s neglect.

          However, as I said before this is all just a lame unoriginal way to create a plot point for part 3, you can tell this just by looking in the past of the Narutoverse, the hokages all had personal time do to what they wanted, hell Tsunade found time to train Sakura ( and those other examples I said before too) , Naruto’s time as hokage is of peace, I simply can’t fathom how much work he has to be so busy, because as we know the hokage only rules the village and the time is peacefull, aka no attacks or threats from another countries, etc. Its easy to see Naruto has no reason to be busy,
          In short
          its just Kishimoto failing in being convicent and contradicting his estabilished lore to create a lame excuse for a future plot point

          “Warring times is not the only time a leader is busy. Peace needs to be maintained. Maintaining peace takes just as much work as fighting a war. This has been the case throughout history.”

          — And yet, the other hokages still had time to fool around with their families, loved ones and etc.
          As I said before, its just a lame excuse created for a future plot point.
          And no, mataining peace takes as much work as maintaining a war? Maybe in subjetive terms. in objective terms of course a war demands more work and full dedication, in times of peace there is no need for full dedication unless this peace is almost heading up to a war and based on the panels in the last chapter this is clearly not the case
          (unless kishi somehow gets the hint and retcons this too)

          Anyway, the fact remains that Burrito is being neglected, Naruto is apparently busy but the time being peaceful shows no indication if this is indeed correct, for now

          “Nonetheless, Chatte’s credibility on the matters on moral codes is still shit. She cannot claim to support a pairing that has abuse, obsession, and attempt murder while ridiculing another for having the same shit. She cannot go on to support Sakura beating the men around her just because it some how makes her strong woman, when in fact, people who do those actions will meet dreadful consequences.”

          –I can’t really defend this because well I don’t ship SK in first place. It died for me after Karin returned fangirling to Sasuke without a inch of self respect after he tried to kill her

      Thaeonblade (3 years ago)

      The full gist that I gathered is that you blame and scapegoat the Naruhina fandom for pressuring Kishimoto to “dethrone Sakura” and ruin her characterization so that Hinata will look better. The reason I compare it the shipping wars is because it sounds like your blaming the series’ dip in quality on shippers rather than the writer/artist.
      In a way, you are partially absolving Kishimoto by painting this image of him being battered by all sides by irrational fans and giving in to the pressure. You’re shifting the majority of blame from Kishi to a shipping fandom.
      I countered with how your perception of Sakura “losing her heroine status” is a symptom of the larger understated fact that Kishimoto never knew what to do with her character from the start.
      What was Sakura’s drive?
      Sakura’s goal?
      Neither of which can be answered without mention of Naruto and Sasuke. And that’s my point. She’s completely inconsequential to the whole manga and could be removed/replaced without any damage to the overall story. A fact which is most obvious in Part 1 and most of Part 2.
      The few times when it looks like Sakura will actually use some agency and grow as a self-sufficient and strong character? She relapses soon afterwards and becomes a lethal burden for her friends and comrades.
      But I’ve got a message for you.
      If you don’t like the ending, then you don’t have to accept it.
      The ending arc of Naruto had way worst problems specifically relating to Tobi being Obito and the Kaguya crap. All of which is blatantly based in plot contrivance and therefore has no narrative legitimacy because they cause the story to collapse in on itself.
      You are free to substitute to headcanon any part of the manga as you see fit and your version of Naruto will be just as valid as Kishimoto’s. (Considering that he already broke his own rules)
      Otherwise, take a look at this: http://konohaskunoichi.tumblr.com/post/112899594712/how-to-shut-naruto-conspiracists-and

        Guy (3 years ago)

        @Theonblade

        -Kishi’s interview with Kobayashi and the one with Yahagi, shows he was influenced by all kinds of editors, and he actually followed them, for example Orochimaru and the chuunin arc weren’t his ideas
        Just with this we see how your source link is faulty

        But I have more to say:

        –Either way, in the interview with Kobayashi he says he planned to exchange Sakura for Hintata due to the laters popularity and in some others interviews he did say he had to downplay Kakashi because he was mor popular than Naruto so we cna conclude popularity had a part on his decision making

        –And about your link…well the Last indeed flopped, not only it not managed to cover the budget completely but it had the worst transition of all Naruto movies

        –Kishimoto saying NS was red herring just proves he was a terrible writer

        –Him saying NH was decided in the beginning contradicts the fact he said he only started to think of who Naruto would pair up with at his teenage years (part 2), and either way it doesn’t help anything he might have wanted NH but he barely showed them and instead developed the “red herring” sooo
        1) Either he is just dumb
        2) Or he had no idea where and how to take the story

        –Sakura loving Sasuke “wholeheartdely” makes no change to the fact SS is a horrible, bad developed pairing

        –Most of the things that person said on the link where this person own interpretations of Kishi’s words (some things are even disproved by his later interviews LOL), some are also not further analysed in the context of the story iself and there are some that are even horribly wrong (the last did flop)

        –I agree with your points on how the ending arc was shit

        –I also think Sakura was a poor heroine if we count her whole development but her early actions at part 2 showed promise and in the hands of a competent writer she could have blossomed instead of wilting like she did

        –We also have confirmation Kishi received letters from his fans and knw Naruto was popular not only in Japan, could have him fit his story to adopt the western NH/SS shipper fandom wishes ? We will never know probably

        Either way fact remains KIshi screwed up his story, pairing wise, concept wise, executon wise, art wise ( 700’s art anyone?) and etc…

          hohum (3 years ago)

          @guy, yada yada yada. Same old statements from you without factual sources.
          point 1: the last flopping(as its been going around mainly in NS section only) are complete baseless speculations. there were no actual data about the production cost versus box office, but actual figures clearly shows it has and is still doing well.
          point 2: the kishi x yahagi interview that again mainly circulated first in NS section were mistranslated shits that you guys clung to in order to validate your feelings of not having it ended the way you liked it.
          point 3: kishimoto using ns as red herring doesn’t prove he is terrible. its a maneuver used by millions of authors to mislead readers from that which the author doesn’t want to look obvious. You guys interpreting it at face value, even though it was pretty obvious very early on that ns is a distraction, proves you are terrible readers.
          point 4: nh had all the developments, aptly placed and paced in the manga. selective reading, ignorance and obvious fangirling to red herrings would make you miss these. the red herring couple had developments too but not romantic developments. starting from that hospital panel, naruto understood that sakura and sasuke,s feelings for each other are mutual and are not skin deep. eversince then, naruto and sakura developed more as comrades, mutual in their desire to save their dear friend from darkness.

          Guy (3 years ago)

          @hohum

          Point 1 = “The last didn’t flop”
          HAHAHAHA
          Get Rekt

          *Last volume sales
          “Normal volumes of AOT and OP sell more than this, for a series as big as Naruto once was its underwhelming, even more for a final volume.

          *The last sales
          The Last failed, It had not only the worst transition of the story of Naruto movies but also the income wasnt the expected to completely cover the costs

          And unlike you I have sources

          “Source: ch2

          今年のNARUTOの映画 初動5.2億/公開から40日経った現在 18.5億(3.6倍推移)

          This year’s Naruto movie, initial revenue was at JPY 520 million, after 40 days of screening only made JPY 1.85 billion (3.6 times transition)

          2014年の初動5億の映画

          2014 movies with initial revenue of JPY 500 million

          1)

          永遠の0(2013年末公開) 初動5.4億 / 最終85億 (15.7倍推移)

          Eien no Zero: initial JPY 540 million / final JPY 8.5 billion (15.7 times transition)

          2)
          GODZILLA ゴジラ 初動5.1億 / 最終31.4億 (6.2倍推移)

          GODZILLA: initial JPY 510 million / final JPY 3.14 billion (6.2 times transition)

          3)
          テルマエ・ロマエⅡ 初動4.9億 / 最終43.1億 (8.8倍推移)

          Thermae Romae II: initial JPY 490 million / final JPY 4.31 billion (8.8 times transition)

          4)
          トランスフォーマー・ロストエイジ 初動4.8億 / 最終29.4億 (6.1倍推移)

          Transformers – Age of Extinction: initial JPY 480 million / final JPY 2.94 billion (6.1 times transition)

          5)

          評判があんな悪い実写ルパン三世でも初動4.4億 / 最終24億 (5.5倍推移)

          Even that well-known bad live action of Lupin III: initial JPY 440 million / final JPY 2.4 billion (5.5 times transition)

          あと、一応、初動5億のアニメ映画との比較として

          Tentatively, compared with the animated film with initial JPY 500 million revenue
          エヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:破 初動5.1億 / 最終40億 (7.8倍推移)

          EVANGELION:2.0 YOU CAN (NOT) ADVANCE: initial JPY 510 million / final JPY 4 billion (7.8 times transition)

          ———————————————

          Previous Naruto movies:

          04年 「大活劇!雪姫忍法帖だってばよ!!」 初動3.5億 / 最終13.7億 (3.9倍推移)

          Naruto the Movie: Ninja Clash in the Land of Snow: initial JPY 350 million / final JPY 1.37 billion (3.9 times transition)

          05年 「大激突!幻の地底遺跡だってばよ」 初動2.2億 / 最終11.8億 (5.4倍推移)

          Naruto the Movie: Legend of the Stone of Gelel: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.18 billion (5.4 times transition)

          06年 「大興奮!みかづき島のアニマル騒動だってばよ」初動1.2億 / 最終7.8億 (6.5倍推移)

          Naruto the Movie: Guardians of the Crescent Moon Kingdom: initial JPY 120 million / final JPY 780 million (6.5 times transition)

          07年 「疾風伝」初動2.2億 / 最終12.1億 (5.5倍推移)

          Shippuuden: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.21 billion (5.5 times transition)

          08年 「疾風伝 絆」初動2.2億 / 最終11.6億円 (5.3倍推移)

          Shippuuden – Kizuna: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.16 billion (5.3 times transition)

          09年 「疾風伝 火の意志を継ぐ者」初動1.9億 / 最終10.2億 (5.4倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Will of Fire: initial JPY 190 million / final JPY 1.02 billion (5.4 times transition)

          10年 「疾風伝 ザ・ロストタワー」初動1.7億 / 最終10.3億円 (6倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Lost Tower: initial JPY 170 million / final JPY 1.03 billion (6 times transition)

          11年 「ブラッド・プリズン」初動1.3億 / 最終8.4億円 (6.5倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: Blood Prison: initial JPY 130 million / final JPY 840 million (6.5 times transition)

          12年 「ROAD TO NINJA」初動3億 / 最終14.8億 (4.9倍推移)

          Naruto Shippuden the Movie: ROAD TO NINJA: initial JPY 300 million / final JPY 1.48 billion (4.9 times transition)

          14年 「THE LAST」初動5.2億 / 最終 恐らく19億 (3.6~7倍推移)←過去最低推移

          THE LAST: initial JPY 520 million / estimated final JPY 1.9 billion (3.6~7 times transition) <— The worst transition"

          See?
          Now, really I have even more don't worry

          "Just to compare with other popular series and their latest movie release (my source is boxofficemojo, you can google it on your own)
          – Metantei Conan made 36 million
          – Dragon Ball Z made 47 million
          – Evangelion made 60 million
          – One Piece made 68 million
          – Doraemon made 80 million

          The Last Naruto movie barely made 50% of what Metantei Conan made. Don’t even compare it to the likes of DBZ, Evangelion, or One Piece.

          None of us know how much budget it has, but the rumored 12 million only for production cost does not seem to be far fetched (given the quality of the animation, etc). You know Hayao Miyazaki’s Wind Rises? That movie had 30 million budget (estimated), and made 117 million. So, in terms of money invested vs money earned, Naruto’s RTN gave a better value (4 million production cost with 17 million gross sales)""

          Point 2 = the yahagi x kishi interview wan an official interview that was translated and exposed at Saiyan island. Lol you know nothing hahaha

          I think you meant the kobayashi interview? This one was fully translated too, by unviased sources even

          Point 3 = Kishi's a horrible writer, he obviously doesn't't know what he is talking about red herring because simply, you don't make a red herring more developed than the paiur you want to be canon. It's just an excuse, a shitty one at that.

          point 4 = in first place, all romance was one sided, so no SS was not mutual by any means
          . And NH was underdeveloped (38 pages of development in a manga with more tahn 16000 pages hahahaha) . Thats why the movie exists, but it completely failed to portray NH in a good manner because in the process not only it used a stupid plot but made the MC OOC and pushes hinata in a role she doesn't portray well, as well as retcons the canon manga

          So yeah, m8
          Your statementes are clearly biased and easy to refute :D

    Guy (3 years ago)

    He lacked vidion and purpose for most of the characters ( specially the female ones)

    His editors did most of the job

      Guy (3 years ago)

      *vision

      Anonymous (3 years ago)

      Aren’t you gonna counter this guy, hohum?

        misia (3 years ago)

        but guy did not really prove a point here though. firstly, with regards to the figures, the fact that he said no one really knows how much figures were made, then all claims that the last did not make good enough returns are all assumptions and speculations. secondly, kishi confirmed the red herring and that he purposely made sakura close to naruto. if proximity is perceived as development then thats not kishi’s fault at all. its all down to one’s reading comprehension. and that 38 pages NH thing is an embarrassing lie thats been circulated by NS to make them feel better about their ship’s “development”

          Guy (2 years ago)

          I couldn’t understand half of what you said @ Misia XD

          Don’t worry though, I assure you that the last failed, as I proved with numbers and sources ;)

Grumpy (3 years ago)

I also would have preferred a NS ending…but what’s done is done. I actually don’t even hate the NH pairing. I’ve read a LOT of manga so I know exactky how it feels when the ending turns out to be different from what I expected. But in the end we can’t do anything about it. The romance in Naruto was NEVER the main focus, some people just have to accept that. I’m actually looking forward to the novels and the miniseries to get some more questions answered…

    Guy (3 years ago)

    Romance was a subplot and its bad execution made the story lose appeal for those people who aren’t crazy about pairings.
    Besides as much as people say well this is a shonen romance wasnt important, well thaths how it supposed to be but Kishi, the genius, made some characters ALL about romance, of course if someone knows how to work with characters like these it doesn’t get so bad, but kishi evidently doesn’t know and in the end characters like Sakura, Hinata and Naruto in the last became pairing fodders

    NH problems have to do with their underdevelopment and then with the movie the last retconning canon for the sake of NH
    but concept wise and in good hands it could be a good pairing

    Futehrmore not only romance sucked in this ending, its last chapter was just a setup for the money grab that is part 3, a lot of plot holes were left open, horrible art mistakes, plot themes were corrupted, characters became OOC, and don’t even get me started on the blatant art errors that the 700 chapter had,

    Naruto story was already bad since the beginning of the war arc, this ending was just the cherry on the cake of the already degrading quality.

Fengshui (3 years ago)

LOL, just found this list from an official japanese anime site:

It was made by Animage, one of the most popular japanese magazine and according to this, both male and female readers hate Haruno Sakura!

And it was made after the The Last movie, 2014.12.21.

Most loved Naruto character (by Male voters)
1st – Hyuuga Hinata
2nd – Uchiha Sasuke
3rd – Hatake Kakashi
4th – Tenten
5th – Nara Shikamaru

Most hated Naruto character (by Male voters)
1st – Haruno Sakura
2nd – Uzumaki Naruto
3rd – Yakushi Kabuto
4th – Sai
5th – Danzou

Most loved Naruto character (by Female voters)
1st – Uzumaki Naruto
2nd – Hyuuga Hinata
3rd – Hatake Kakashi
4th – Uchiha Sasuke
5th – Namikaze Minato

Most hated Naruto character (by Female voters)
1st – Haruno Sakura
2nd – Hyuuga Hinata
3rd – Yamanaka Ino
4th – Yakushi Kabuto
5th – Uchiha Sasuke

http://majikichi.com/archives/8652427.html

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000381-anime-and-manga-naruto/70939127

So much about Haruno Sakura loved by japanese.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    I know about this one as well, don’t worry. ;)

      Leonard (11 months ago)

      One thing I found that I do believe you that what you said is probably true the problem is trying to translate Japanese doesn’t always mean it’s accurate translation also trying to debate with Fanatics is pointless because their perception of reality it doesn’t mean it is really but it’s the perception of it fanaticism is with the word fan comes from look I understand why you wrote what you did the fan doesn’t see that they only see their perception really being given reality on the big screen so for them it’s what is not the reality of the situation that’s what fantasm is about but I understand why you wrote what you wrote if you can have no doubt you can add all the evidence in the world show these people that have fun even if the cradle that walked up to him said okay what she said is true they wouldn’t believe it because Fanatics believe only what they want to believe not what is true that’s why no matter how much you argue with these idiots you not going to be like in the season because the fanaticism of this particular periods last movie is there a reality remember you’re dealing with fanatics but your word is the verb for the word fan if you wondering so nothing you showed them any will ever convince them of what you showed me was the truth because it goes against their perception of reality not what is reality and I try to justify it by three ways insulting you just me and you what you said or trying to be rude and disrespectful I called these people The Wizard of Oz Central pay no attention to the man behind the curtain pay no attention to her first comment I left you I wish you all the best and try to explain to these idiots but you’re wasting your time Fanatics will never listen to reason trust me on this one but you made a very good point only that Japanese translate it would sound a little better than it actually did when you read the words translated tell me how do you think that actually sounds you have to understand from the mass of delusional side point it does when you read it it sounds a little different but nothing you say to him will convince them of the truth so it doesn’t make a difference but you can get a proper translation of that the true fans of Naruto will appreciate it and I wish you a happy holidays and no spiking the eggnog if you don’t mind I got to go my cat’s using Shadow clone Jutsu there goes the price of cat food

tippy (3 years ago)

nobody was dethroned, hinata took her rightful place. Sakura was created as an afterthought of an afterthought. she was just suggested by an editor. hinata was created along with naruto and was slated to be end game with him. these are facts, with proofs and legitimate sources. another fact is nobody cares that NS find everything after ch.698 bull, or that you dont buy the last, or that you dont care about the upcoming miniseries. you threw the biggest and most embarrassing tantrum known in fandom hood ever and what did you get? just an english tweet from that assistant you harrassed and nothing else. you did not even get a teeny weeny NS thing to nibble on, instead what you got was a confirmation that your headcanons are well, headcanons. each and every new material, including even the noncanon novels, are not there to bait you guys back but rather are a kick to your sorry assess whose objective is to poop on everyone enjoying naruto. its a good thing naruto did end up with hinata~~i shudder in horror from all the retcons and the tweaking of characters to be done just to make NS believable.

    Chatte Georgiana (3 years ago)

    Righful place? AHAHAHAHAHAAH, lol…. You’ve got your facts wrong, mate. And, do I care about your opinion? Do I look for your opinion? No, hun, YOU’RE the one HERE ON MY blog, searching for MY opinions. So you see, that’s why your argument is weak before you even begin with it. Don’t think you’re the only one with “legitimate” sources.

    Do you by any chance forget that Hinata was created after, for the chuunin exams? Hell, the author himself said that in a recent interview. So you see, check your facts. Sasuke was a suggestion, Sakura’s character was Kishi’s own desire for a heroine which was NOT Hinata.
    Look for yourself here.

      Fengshui (2 years ago)

      LOL are you drank? XD

      Have I remind you that SAKURA ORIGINALY WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THE MAIN FEMALE AKA “HEROINE” CHARACTER?

      “Although Sakura is the most recurring female character in Naruto, Masashi Kishimoto did not originally intend for Sakura to be the heroine of the series, even stating on occasion that he still has a hard time viewing her as a heroine.”

      http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sakura_Haruno

      First Databook + Sketches from the manga Volumes.

        Guy (2 years ago)

        Kishimoto is bad at female characters, he doesn’t know how to write them, thus even if Sakura is the main heroine she wasn’t really presented as such

        He had a hard time viewing her as a female heroine because he sucks at it

        However no one can really deny Sakura’s purpose in the story was to be the heroine, Kishimoto says so in his interview with Yahagi

      hey (2 years ago)

      i dont get why you think having a go at hinata would somehow make sakura “look better” and NS more believable. no matter who was created first fact is sakura was not dethroned, she was never set to be the ONLY heroine and hinata became one when she became naruto’s love interest.

        Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

        Yes she was set to be the only heroine. The crap with TWO HEROINES was slowly subliminally introduced by Studio Pierrot with one of their omakes, so please, get your facts straight. Do you want me to link you to the omake to undestand from where this crap with two heroines came from? Do you by any chance see Hinata next to Team 7 in the promotional content up to the ending? NO! Team 7 are the main cast, Sakura is the female of the cast, therefore she’s the heroine! Hinata in terms of cast is nothing more but a secondary character with little to no contribution to the main story. The only contribution she ever had was out of imposed requests that came from fan letters, so let’s cut the crap, shall we?

        As for your other argument, I’m sorry, you’re not quite clear in what you want to express.

TTRasengan (3 years ago)

HAHAHAHA seriously?? lol so now it’s a whole conspiracy set up by “the man” to keep Sakura down because Hinata fans threatened the powers that be and they gave in. Am I the only one who thinks you ppl are taking this waaaayyy too seriously? LMAAOOO. Ok guys, guys, let’s entertain one aspect of this “story”… all those damn pesky “hinatards” lol, let’s say a company does market research and it shows that the MAJORITY of their target demographic has a preference for a specific product. Wouldn’t it make complete sense to deliver to their target demographic the product that the majority want? Even if you want to argue that Kishi “should’ve stuck to his guns” then we would’ve had a ninja dog hokage and some other really absurd things. Even if you want to hold on to that argument just look at the tv show “How I Met Your Mother” a show that will largely go down as forgettable mainly due to the writers not giving the MAJORITY of its fan base what they wanted. Guys let it go, like really just let it go and accept it. Naruto will go down as one of the most popular mangas in history, it will be one of the few titles immediately associated with anime because of how globally successful it was, and it always be remembered by the MAJORITY of fans as good. That’s just the way it is.

    Fengshui (2 years ago)

    What did you except from someone who took a COMIC RELIEF DEADLY SERIOUSLY?

      hey (2 years ago)

      these guys took fillers to heart and thought they were all romantic developments/ developments. and then when they can no longer recognize headcanon from the actual characters they shit on everyone once naruto ended bec it did not end the way they thought it would. this sense of entitlement runs rabid among these people

    Guy (2 years ago)

    Will Naruto be remembered as good in its early days tho?

    I mean the ending and these later arcs smh

    Pretty much every anime fan I know knows Naruto pretty much sucks, only the few casuals and fanboys still like it

    Naruto won’t be a legend like DBZ or Inuyasha or even Rurouni Kenshin, it will be a popular manga for sure in the mind of casuals and fanboys, but hey what’s popularity without quality? Twilight s mega popular, 50 shades of grey is popular, but quality? Meh
    Naruto is the same as these two

    Kishi’s original ideas were horrible I will give you that, the man has no talent, Naruto just became a good manga thanks to yahagi ( KIshi’s first editor) work, things like Orochimaru, and the chuunin exam arc for example didn’t came from Kishi’s mind

    After Yahagi left however, after Sasuke acquired his MS, the fall in the story’s quality is quite palpable I’d say, specially by Kage Summit arc

    And really there is no point in doing anything for popularity if you don’t have the quality accomapany it so. It’s very clear that Kishi played with all the pairings however as he himself had to explain he put most of the focus in NS and made SS quite a wreck
    NH still could be salvaged even if it was underdeveloped however the last helped in completely ruining it, not only it negated all the manga NH from Naruto’s side but it also made NH a forced relationship and made Naruto’s character OOC, it’s no wonder that it failed to compeletely cover it’s budget and that it received such horrible ratings from critics.

    In sum, popularity doesn’t really matter in what I’m talking here, what matters is that these last arcs were shit and the NH resloution in the last was horrible. SS already cemented it status as a horrible pairing far earlier though

    And hey @TTrasengan, you still haven’t answered my comment in response to what’s wrong about the ending besides pairings

    I guess you agree with me then

      Fengshui (2 years ago)

      “Will Naruto be remembered as good in its early days tho?

      I mean the ending and these later arcs smh

      Pretty much every anime fan I know knows Naruto pretty much sucks, only the few casuals and fanboys still like it”

      Good question, but your “only the few causals and fanboys still like it” was stupid.

      Be honest: in modern terms Dragon Ball would be axed even before the King Piccolo Arc, while DBZ would be axed right after the Goku VS Frieza.

      Not mentioning Sailor Moon, which finally got the TRUE anime version which 100% true to the original manga YET people already hate it as hell and prefer the “old anime version”.

      Don’t forget: The REASON why DBZ and Sailor Moon are still “famous” because they were the FIRST anime getting out from the Debil Island, so to “baka gaijins” they were f*cking new!

      For Inuyasha and Kenshin, if they are so populars and “legendary” why they don’t try to milking on them like do with DBZ and Sailor Moon? I haven’t even saw an OVA nor a filler movie for them except a Live-Action movie for Kenshin, but it’s live action and not animated.

      “Kishi’s original ideas were horrible I will give you that, the man has no talent, Naruto just became a good manga thanks to yahagi ( KIshi’s first editor) work, things like Orochimaru, and the chuunin exam arc for example didn’t came from Kishi’s mind”

      LOL, you overrate that “Yahagi” man, cause the late Part 1 and first Part 2 arcs were horrible already too.

      Also, I don’t know if you remember, but Kishimoto also said that originaly he never wanted making Sakura the main female (heroine) + the love triangle was only for giving a comical relationship to the 3 main characters.

      “After Yahagi left however, after Sasuke acquired his MS, the fall in the story’s quality is quite palpable I’d say, specially by Kage Summit arc”

      Sorry, but I disaggree, because as I said the problems already started frome the later Part 1.

      – Neji should die next to Kidomaru.
      – The so called legendary Tsunade couldn’t fight againts Orochimaru without the help of muscular guys (Jiraiya, Gamabunta, Naruto).
      – The difference between Cursed Seal Of Earth and Cursed Seal Of Heaven was never explained.
      – There were not hints nor foreshadowing for later things (Nagato, Rikudo, Shinju, Tobi etc).

      For Part 2, it already had tons of problems and most people started recognising the mistakes of early Part 2 already.

      – Naruto and Sakura didn’t reach Kakashi’s level despite being trained by legedns but Sasuke became a Kage tier, which makes no sense because the Sannins were portrayed equally stong and tons of people in the Part 1 repeated this, meaning Naruto and Sakura should be at least as strong as Sasuke.
      – The members of an evil secret ninja organisation wearing flashy coats that makes them obliviously suspicious instead of using disguses (+ they are wearing them in the DESERT, where the black colors absorb the sunlight and makes it like hell!)
      – Tsunade sending a team with no tracking skills TO FIND AND TRACKING DOWN the Kazekage and Akatsuki.
      – Sasori, the one who “conquered even a country” not only defeated and killed by a 100 years old arc-only granny but was stupid enough to instead of hidding in his puppet until Sakura and Chiyo leave he reveal himself (which caused his death). Because ninjas are famous for not being survivals.
      – Instead of developing the remaining Konoha 11 members Kishimoto creates 2 unnecesary characters from nowhere who later will totally become unimportants (Sai and Yamato).
      – Instead of giving an arc for the while Konoha 11 or Sakura or Kakashi he gives an entire arc to Shikamaru and creates a totally lame enemy whom anyone could defeat with long range techniques.
      – Kakashi became a hypocrite who instead of telling to Shikamaru the same nice shitty speech about revenge being evil and bad like he did to Sasuke he happily helps to Shikamaru in revenge (and no, Itachi was also a wanted criminal marked to death by the village + member of Akatsuki meaning there was no excuses not to help to Sasuke in revenge).
      – Orochimaru, THE legendary Orochimaru killed off like a bug because he was portrayed a stupid idiot who has no brain to putting “safety seals” on Sasuke if he ever wished to betray him.
      – Creating 3 new unnecesary characters whom not even Kishimoto wanted.
      – Itachi was a good guy….. yeah…. he surely was…. of course…. nobody should deny it….
      – Legendary Ninja Priest + Jiraiya’s secret team from nowhere.

      And so on and so on, just some that I + tons of other people think this since Sasuke Retrivial Arc. Hell, I was never thinking about how bad was early Part 2 too until I read and thought about these!

      “the last

      made NH a forced relationship and made Naruto’s character OOC, it’s no wonder that it failed to compeletely cover it’s budget and that it received such horrible ratings from critics.”

      1.Because NS wouldn’t be forced after chapter 539 +540 and chapter 693, right? Nope, it would be even worse, because it would be obliviously nothing more but a revenge couple, Sakura’s revenge againts Sasuke for not accepting her feelings.

      Naruto being OOC becauuuuuuse….

      About the “The Last” I didn’t like the movie neither, but it was financialy a succes as the production budget was only 400 million yen (only 80 million yen more than Road To Ninja) and it has earned 1.94 billion yen. And this came from japanese fans from japan and not some NS fans who forgot that all Pierrot did to the animation was giving to the animators of Bleach, who were working for the same shitty payment as the original team.

      For “critics”, sorry, but ONLY the japanese Yahoo had bad “reviews”, while on other sites it had even better ratings than Road To Ninja and Ninja Clash In The Land Of Snow. And no, I am not talking about IMDB but japanese sites like Moviewalker Plus, Eiga, Anikore and tons of other japanese sites.

      So it’s really suspicious how could it be that the only site which gave bad ratings to The Last was only japanese Yahoo while on the entire world, both in japan and USA it got better ratings.

      “Romance was a subplot ”

      Um, no it was never, just shippingers took them deadly seriously.

      Do you know what were subplots?
      1.Uchiha Massacare.
      2.Rikudo’s Misteries.
      3.The Tailed Beasts.
      4.The Hyuuga Clan Curse Seal.
      5.The peace between countries.

      And so on. Romance was never, that’s why NaruSaku, NaruHina, SasuSaku, SasuKarin and EVERY shipping were literally all about:
      – calling someone on his/her name
      – blushing
      – hugging and handholding
      – standing next to each others

      Aaaaaand these were already enough for NaruSaku, NaruHina, SasuSaku and other shippingers to calling these as “romantic events” and saying that romance was a subplot while it was never just in the brain of shippingers.

      “*The last sales
      The Last failed, It had not only the worst transition of the story of Naruto movies but also the income wasnt the expected to completely cover the costs”

      Transition are meaningless to companies and creators, all they care is the box office, and the The Last had the highest ever.

      Also, Ninja Clash In The Land Of Snow had the same “shit transition” + Road To Ninja’s was not much better neither (yes, +1 is not much better, specialy since the other movies had + 5 more than Road To Ninja and The Last).

      Also, production budget was 400 million yen, only 80 million yen more than Road To Ninja, so I can’t see where didn’t the movie cover the budget with 1.94 billion yen.

      “given the quality of the animation”

      Sorry, but all they did was giving the animation to the Bleach’s team, who were working for the same shit money as the original Naruto team.

      “Naruto’s RTN gave a better value (4 million production cost”

      Sorry, but it was 320 million yen, only 80 less than The Last.

      Also, was this 4 million only came from bias NaruSaku fans too like the never existing 12 million which neglected reality and japanese financial economy?

      Well, 100% sure, because I checked all movie sites and there was never any production budget given to any Naruto movies. So yes, they fucked you with this little lie created from desperation. Sorry.

      “And NH was underdeveloped (38 pages of development in a manga with more tahn 16000 pages hahahaha)”

      So, according to your logic Goku should marry with Bulma as they had “more development” while Chi Chi and Vegeta came from nowhere?

      Sorry, but as I said, since Naruto was just another long running hyped shonen fight manga which is famous about sucked romances + since romance was never a subplot to Naruto that “38 pages” was totally enough, just like for Goku X Chi Chi and Vegeta X Bulma. Not mentioning Krillin X C-18 and the others.

      Is it really this hard to accept that the romances in Naruto were just as important as they were in Dragon Ball?

      If you want a manga about romances where romance is either truly a plot or a subplot then read harem mangas and other stuff, but not mangas whiches only about fights and other stuff.

      Overall, was Naruto bad? Yes, but NOT because the ending, NOT because or romances and NOT ONLY after Pain arc. It was already sucked when Part 2 started, just people tried to ignore it, willingly or not, but after the “double confessions” (Hinata in chapter 437 then 32 chapters later Sakura too) people realised that Naruto is truly cheap and slowly started to leaving it.

        Guy (2 years ago)

        “Good question, but your “only the few causals and fanboys still like it” was stupid.”

        –However, its the truth

        “Be honest: in modern terms Dragon Ball would be axed even before the King Piccolo Arc, while DBZ would be axed right after the Goku VS Frieza.”

        –It would not, DB/DBZ is kinda like OP, is OP axed yet? No it’s making a big success
        Another series Nanatsu no Tanzai with similarities with DBZ is making a big success in Japan too

        “Not mentioning Sailor Moon, which finally got the TRUE anime version which 100% true to the original manga YET people already hate it as hell and prefer the “old anime version”.”

        —Thanks to Toei, not only their animations are kinda piss poor but thier airing schedule is messy and pissed fans off

        “Don’t forget: The REASON why DBZ and Sailor Moon are still “famous” because they were the FIRST anime getting out from the Debil Island, so to “baka gaijins” they were f*cking new!”

        –Not true though, these series have their own merits, Sailor moon made magical girls famous alongside cardcaptor Sakura and DB/DBZ still serve as an insporation to most shonen artists

        “For Inuyasha and Kenshin, if they are so populars and “legendary” why they don’t try to milking on them like do with DBZ and Sailor Moon? I haven’t even saw an OVA nor a filler movie for them except a Live-Action movie for Kenshin, but it’s live action and not animated.”

        –There is an OVA about Kenshin, and as you said the live action movie too which was pretty good. And I’m glad these series are resting, milking something just means the people in charge for that series are greedy and are expanding even after the journey was over, Naruto is such an example, it wasn’t a quality series but it is still being milked
        So really, being milked doesn’t really mean shit, just that a series got popular enough and people in charge want to capitalize and as I said befoe popularity =/= quality

        “LOL, you overrate that “Yahagi” man, cause the late Part 1 and first Part 2 arcs were horrible already too.”

        –You might not like them but from an unbiased POV they were not

        “Also, I don’t know if you remember, but Kishimoto also said that originaly he never wanted making Sakura the main female (heroine) + the love triangle was only for giving a comical relationship to the 3 main characters.”

        –He said Sakura was his inteded heroine in the interview with Yahagi, and said the love triangle was made so he could write the characters inreractions more easily
        So in what I should believe, your word or an actually written interview you can find anywhere in the internet?

        “Sorry, but I disaggree, because as I said the problems already started frome the later Part 1.
        – Neji should die next to Kidomaru.
        – The so called legendary Tsunade couldn’t fight againts Orochimaru without the help of muscular guys (Jiraiya, Gamabunta, Naruto).
        – The difference between Cursed Seal Of Earth and Cursed Seal Of Heaven was never explained.
        – There were not hints nor foreshadowing for later things (Nagato, Rikudo, Shinju, Tobi etc).”

        –LOL at the nitpicks. Did you want the story to be perfect?
        Besides Kishi already said Part 2 was not planned at all so really no reason to foreshadow tose things. the thing about Neji diying is your opinion, the thing about Tsunade is your opinion too, I mean why were you bothered by it? Tsunade IS the weakest sannin after all and the difference between curse seals is just a major nitpick

        I will say part 1 was enjoyable, it was good, of course it had some problems but it is Naruto’s higuest point. If you don’t like it that’s fine ( and I don’t even know why you are here talking in Naruto related site since you look like you hate everything Naruto related but somehow is still trying to defend the ending somehow) , but it was the best part of the series

        “For Part 2, it already had tons of problems and most people started recognising the mistakes of early Part 2 already.”

        –Okay then, early part 2 was worse than part 1 in some regards but irt was still enhoyable, most of your points are nitpicks and I will show you why

        ” Naruto and Sakura didn’t reach Kakashi’s level despite being trained by legedns but Sasuke became a Kage tier, which makes no sense because the Sannins were portrayed equally stong and tons of people in the Part 1 repeated this, meaning Naruto and Sakura should be at least as strong as Sasuke.”

        –Sasuke was getting drugged and having secret forbidden trainings, I thought it was obvious he would be stronger than Naruto & Sakura. However I agree that Naruto should have gotten stronger after spending that whole time with Jiraya

        “The members of an evil secret ninja organisation wearing flashy coats that makes them obliviously suspicious instead of using disguses (+ they are wearing them in the DESERT, where the black colors absorb the sunlight and makes it like hell!)”

        –This is obviously a nitpick, I mean are you trying to bitch about some character’s clothes? You may as well bitch about Naruto being a ninja and wearing orange smh

        ” Tsunade sending a team with no tracking skills TO FIND AND TRACKING DOWN the Kazekage and Akatsuki.”

        –Forgot about Kakashi and his dogs, forgot aout team Guy being sent as an reinforcement

        ” Sasori, the one who “conquered even a country” not only defeated and killed by a 100 years old arc-only granny but was stupid enough to instead of hidding in his puppet until Sakura and Chiyo leave he reveal himself (which caused his death). Because ninjas are famous for not being survivals.”

        –LOL, this is a major nitpick, Sasori saw the opening and he took it, i didn’t go that well for him in the end

        ” Instead of developing the remaining Konoha 11 members Kishimoto creates 2 unnecesary characters from nowhere who later will totally become unimportants (Sai and Yamato)”

        –Don’t agree about Sai and Yamato “uselessness” but yeahthe konoha 11 should have been better developed, the mistake was too much focus in Naruto and Sasuke

        ” Instead of giving an arc for the while Konoha 11 or Sakura or Kakashi he gives an entire arc to Shikamaru and creates a totally lame enemy whom anyone could defeat with long range techniques.”

        –The same thing I said before and what lame enemy is that? Hidan?
        Well if you count the fact that he is immortal and is capable of one hit kill I don’t think anyone could easily defeat him, specially if his powers are still hidden for said person

        “Kakashi became a hypocrite who instead of telling to Shikamaru the same nice shitty speech about revenge being evil and bad like he did to Sasuke he happily helps to Shikamaru in revenge (and no, Itachi was also a wanted criminal marked to death by the village + member of Akatsuki meaning there was no excuses not to help to Sasuke in revenge”

        –Agree

        “Orochimaru, THE legendary Orochimaru killed off like a bug because he was portrayed a stupid idiot who has no brain to putting “safety seals” on Sasuke if he ever wished to betray him.”

        –A shame, Orochimaru could have been better used indeed, but while his death was anticlimatic, what really was bad was his ressurection in late part 2

        “Creating 3 new unnecesary characters whom not even Kishimoto wanted.”

        –Taka was necessary unless the author wanted to make the Sasuke’s parts of the manga more boring than they already were

        “Itachi was a good guy….. yeah…. he surely was…. of course…. nobody should deny it….”

        –Kishi said he had that “brilliant” idea since Itachi’s concept, blame it on Kishi

        ” Legendary Ninja Priest + Jiraiya’s secret team from nowhere.”

        –Yeah, it’s a crime to add things like that in the story u know (not)
        Really m8, it’s fine to add backstory to some characters as long as the make sense and don’t retcon what already exists

        “And so on and so on, just some that I + tons of other people think this since Sasuke Retrivial Arc. Hell, I was never thinking about how bad was early Part 2 too until I read and thought about these!”

        –One of your points made sense but majrity are nitpicks, don’t be proud about them

        “1.Because NS wouldn’t be forced after chapter 539 +540 and chapter 693, right? Nope, it would be even worse, because it would be obliviously nothing more but a revenge couple, Sakura’s revenge againts Sasuke for not accepting her feelings.”

        –Any pairings would be forced at that point, NS would be the least worse because it would made sense conceptually

        “Naruto being OOC becauuuuuuse….”

        –“love is the same thing as love for ramen!”
        ” I’m sad because I was rejected, fuck the world, I”m going to sulk”

        “About the “The Last” I didn’t like the movie neither, but it was financialy a succes as the production budget was only 400 million yen (only 80 million yen more than Road To Ninja) and it has earned 1.94 billion yen. And this came from japanese fans from japan and not some NS fans who forgot that all Pierrot did to the animation was giving to the animators of Bleach, who were working for the same shitty payment as the original team.”

        *sigh*
        —unlike you I have sources

        “Source: ch2

        今年のNARUTOの映画 初動5.2億/公開から40日経った現在 18.5億(3.6倍推移)

        This year’s Naruto movie, initial revenue was at JPY 520 million, after 40 days of screening only made JPY 1.85 billion (3.6 times transition)

        2014年の初動5億の映画

        2014 movies with initial revenue of JPY 500 million

        1)

        永遠の0(2013年末公開) 初動5.4億 / 最終85億 (15.7倍推移)

        Eien no Zero: initial JPY 540 million / final JPY 8.5 billion (15.7 times transition)

        2)
        GODZILLA ゴジラ 初動5.1億 / 最終31.4億 (6.2倍推移)

        GODZILLA: initial JPY 510 million / final JPY 3.14 billion (6.2 times transition)

        3)
        テルマエ・ロマエⅡ 初動4.9億 / 最終43.1億 (8.8倍推移)

        Thermae Romae II: initial JPY 490 million / final JPY 4.31 billion (8.8 times transition)

        4)
        トランスフォーマー・ロストエイジ 初動4.8億 / 最終29.4億 (6.1倍推移)

        Transformers – Age of Extinction: initial JPY 480 million / final JPY 2.94 billion (6.1 times transition)

        5)

        評判があんな悪い実写ルパン三世でも初動4.4億 / 最終24億 (5.5倍推移)

        Even that well-known bad live action of Lupin III: initial JPY 440 million / final JPY 2.4 billion (5.5 times transition)

        あと、一応、初動5億のアニメ映画との比較として

        Tentatively, compared with the animated film with initial JPY 500 million revenue
        エヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:破 初動5.1億 / 最終40億 (7.8倍推移)

        EVANGELION:2.0 YOU CAN (NOT) ADVANCE: initial JPY 510 million / final JPY 4 billion (7.8 times transition)

        ———————————————

        Previous Naruto movies:

        04年 「大活劇!雪姫忍法帖だってばよ!!」 初動3.5億 / 最終13.7億 (3.9倍推移)

        Naruto the Movie: Ninja Clash in the Land of Snow: initial JPY 350 million / final JPY 1.37 billion (3.9 times transition)

        05年 「大激突!幻の地底遺跡だってばよ」 初動2.2億 / 最終11.8億 (5.4倍推移)

        Naruto the Movie: Legend of the Stone of Gelel: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.18 billion (5.4 times transition)

        06年 「大興奮!みかづき島のアニマル騒動だってばよ」初動1.2億 / 最終7.8億 (6.5倍推移)

        Naruto the Movie: Guardians of the Crescent Moon Kingdom: initial JPY 120 million / final JPY 780 million (6.5 times transition)

        07年 「疾風伝」初動2.2億 / 最終12.1億 (5.5倍推移)

        Shippuuden: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.21 billion (5.5 times transition)

        08年 「疾風伝 絆」初動2.2億 / 最終11.6億円 (5.3倍推移)

        Shippuuden – Kizuna: initial JPY 220 million / final JPY 1.16 billion (5.3 times transition)

        09年 「疾風伝 火の意志を継ぐ者」初動1.9億 / 最終10.2億 (5.4倍推移)

        Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Will of Fire: initial JPY 190 million / final JPY 1.02 billion (5.4 times transition)

        10年 「疾風伝 ザ・ロストタワー」初動1.7億 / 最終10.3億円 (6倍推移)

        Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Lost Tower: initial JPY 170 million / final JPY 1.03 billion (6 times transition)

        11年 「ブラッド・プリズン」初動1.3億 / 最終8.4億円 (6.5倍推移)

        Naruto Shippuden the Movie: Blood Prison: initial JPY 130 million / final JPY 840 million (6.5 times transition)

        12年 「ROAD TO NINJA」初動3億 / 最終14.8億 (4.9倍推移)

        Naruto Shippuden the Movie: ROAD TO NINJA: initial JPY 300 million / final JPY 1.48 billion (4.9 times transition)

        14年 「THE LAST」初動5.2億 / 最終 恐らく19億 (3.6~7倍推移)←過去最低推移

        THE LAST: initial JPY 520 million / estimated final JPY 1.9 billion (3.6~7 times transition) <— The worst transition"

        See?
        Now, really I have even more don't worry

        Just to compare with other popular series and their latest movie release (my source is boxofficemojo, you can google it on your own)
        – Metantei Conan made 36 million
        – Dragon Ball Z made 47 million
        – Evangelion made 60 million
        – One Piece made 68 million
        – Doraemon made 80 million

        The Last Naruto movie barely made 50% of what Metantei Conan made. Don’t even compare it to the likes of DBZ, Evangelion, or One Piece.

        None of us know how much budget it has, but the rumored 12 million only for production cost does not seem to be far fetched (given the quality of the animation, etc). You know Hayao Miyazaki’s Wind Rises? That movie had 30 million budget (estimated), and made 117 million. So, in terms of money invested vs money earned, Naruto’s RTN gave a better value (4 million production cost with 17 million gross sales)

        In sum, the last failed, it didn't lived up to its hype

        "For “critics”, sorry, but ONLY the japanese Yahoo had bad “reviews”, while on other sites it had even better ratings than Road To Ninja and Ninja Clash In The Land Of Snow. And no, I am not talking about IMDB but japanese sites like Moviewalker Plus, Eiga, Anikore and tons of other japanese sites.
        So it’s really suspicious how could it be that the only site which gave bad ratings to The Last was only japanese Yahoo while on the entire world, both in japan and USA it got better ratings."

        —Yahoo is the most famous review site in Japan, it contains most of the critics, the ones in USA are obviously biased, just look some at IMdB

        "Do you know what were subplots?
        1.Uchiha Massacare.
        2.Rikudo’s Misteries.
        3.The Tailed Beasts.
        4.The Hyuuga Clan Curse Seal.
        5.The peace between countries."

        –Some of these are part of the main plot, looks like you don't know what is subpolot ant main plot, and romance was indeed part of the subplot as much as you are trying to deny it

        "And so on. Romance was never, that’s why NaruSaku, NaruHina, SasuSaku, SasuKarin and EVERY shipping were literally all about:
        *calling someone on his/her name
        *blushing
        *hugging and handholding
        *standing next to each others"

        –Not really, SS didn't really had that much of that and NS had beyond of that

        "Aaaaaand these were already enough for NaruSaku, NaruHina, SasuSaku and other shippingers to calling these as “romantic events” and saying that romance was a subplot while it was never just in the brain of shippingers."

        –It was subplot tho, so much that it was highlighted in a manga promotion, Chitoge from Nisekoi was asking in a jump edition "who Naruto gonna end up with?"
        Really, just because you say something it doesn't mean it is true

        Wanna a series where romance wasn't subplot? Dragon ball and One Piece should suffice
        In Naruto romance was important than some chracters, the MC himself had feelings of love unlike other shounens protagonists and love itself was an important part of the story

        "Transition are meaningless to companies and creators, all they care is the box office, and the The Last had the highest ever."

        –Transitions shows the movie didn't lived up to it's hype, plus high budget is nothing if it was not able to cover the 3 times the cost of production. the Last would only be succesfull if it made near 36 million dollars (3 x 12 million), it made 20/21

        "Also, Ninja Clash In The Land Of Snow had the same “shit transition” + Road To Ninja’s was not much better neither (yes, +1 is not much better, specialy since the other movies had + 5 more than Road To Ninja and The Last)."

        –It's different, the production cost for these other movies were very little, there waslittle hype for the first Naruto movie, and RTN transition was better than the last

        "Also, production budget was 400 million yen, only 80 million yen more than Road To Ninja, so I can’t see where didn’t the movie cover the budget with 1.94 billion yen."

        –There is no official source for production cost, romored one was 12 million dollars , ( some animated films got to 30 million dollars for example) RTN was 4 million dollars and made 17 million, it gave them more money than the Last

        "Sorry, but all they did was giving the animation to the Bleach’s team, who were working for the same shit money as the original Naruto team."

        –Your speculation only
        They went all out with this movie top animation, top soundtrack, even top VA's, a shame they forgot to make a good storyline

        "Sorry, but it was 320 million yen, only 80 less than The Last."

        –FACEPALM
        I'm talking about dollars here, get your fact straight

        "Also, was this 4 million only came from bias NaruSaku fans too like the never existing 12 million which neglected reality and japanese financial economy?"

        –Miyazaki wind rises had bidget of 30 million dollars though, it's pretty likely for the last to have 12 million dollars budget or even more considering it went all out
        RTN budget was 4 million dollars though

        "Well, 100% sure, because I checked all movie sites and there was never any production budget given to any Naruto movies. So yes, they fucked you with this little lie created from desperation. Sorry."

        –Just go over to a jap yen and dollar convertion on the internet and take RTN's budeget cost, something around 300 million yen and 400 million yen and convert it to dollar, it should ive something around 2.5 and 4 million dollars
        The last budget cost was not shown yet, BUT it is rumored to have been 12 milliont thanks to all the effort SP put on it

        REally if htere is someone lying here it's you,I have sources, you have 0 sources

        "So, according to your logic Goku should marry with Bulma as they had “more development” while Chi Chi and Vegeta came from nowhere?"

        –Didn't you read Dragon Ball? Romance was not the focus even in subplot and Goku and Bulma never had feelings for each other, it is completely unlike NS situation, also Chi chi didn't came from nowhere, she was presented as a child in tehe series and Goku even promised to marry her, Vegeta came from nowhere and got together with Bulma for plot purposes shafting, it is not that much of a problem since Bulma stands up to him and romance was never that much of a focus in the series

        "Sorry, but as I said, since Naruto was just another long running hyped shonen fight manga which is famous about sucked romances + since romance was never a subplot to Naruto that “38 pages” was totally enough, just like for Goku X Chi Chi and Vegeta X Bulma. Not mentioning Krillin X C-18 and the others."

        –It is not, Naruto is not like DBZ, if you want to compare DBZ to somethig compare it to OP
        at least

        "Is it really this hard to accept that the romances in Naruto were just as important as they were in Dragon Ball?"

        –In Naruto the romances were important as subplot, in DB and OP for example not even this.
        I will ask you a question, sompare the pairing teases in Naruto to the ones in OP and DB/DBZ…now answer me where there is more?
        Also answer me what is the series in which one of the MC's has romance as a main factor?

        "If you want a manga about romances where romance is either truly a plot or a subplot then read harem mangas and other stuff, but not mangas whiches only about fights and other stuff."

        –Romance is a subplot in Naruto tho, and Naruto isn't even all about fights like DBZ was, it has more drama actually ( and unfortunately) and part 1 had a side dash of adventure.

        "Overall, was Naruto bad? Yes, but NOT because the ending, NOT because or romances and NOT ONLY after Pain arc. It was already sucked when Part 2 started, just people tried to ignore it, willingly or not, but after the “double confessions” (Hinata in chapter 437 then 32 chapters later Sakura too) people realised that Naruto is truly cheap and slowly started to leaving it."

        –Naruto was BAD , I agree, but it had a perfectly good potential till at least the Pein arc.
        The downfall of the quality in the series began after that arc.
        The half assed ending and the horrible pairing outcome just helped cement Naruto as a good turned shitty series

          Fengshui (2 years ago)

          “However, its the truth”

          LOL, and it is you who decide who are the “causal” and “fanboys”?

          “It would not, DB/DBZ is kinda like OP, is OP axed yet? No it’s making a big success”

          Nope, in being comical maybe, but both in quality and enjoyement are totally different, specialy in the fact that while DBZ only has 2-3 skills and “transformations” One Piece has thousands of different skills and techniques, giving more depth to fights.

          “Thanks to Toei, not only their animations are kinda piss poor but thier airing schedule is messy and pissed fans off”

          The problem of the fans are not these, but the fact that the original anime series was much better because it gave more depth to the characters + much more both to the story and the characters like the manga did. Tons of the original Sailor Moon anime fans didn’t know about the manga and when they readed it they said that the original anime was better.

          “DB/DBZ still serve as an insporation to most shonen artists”

          And you honestly believe this tiny little lie of them? LOL, I thought you are better!

          There were MUCH better shonen fight mangas even before Dragon Ball (Hokuto No Ken), but they couldn’t get out from japan and that’s why they left behind it. And of course every shonen mangaka says “Dragon Ball”, because it has became worldwide famous thanks to it’s advantage.

          Tell me, if there would be 2 different but awasome shonen mangaka, and one of the says “I was inspired by Hokuto No Ken” while the other says “I was inspired by Dragon Ball”, which one’s manga will sell the most? Of course the later one, because “OMG he was inspired by DBZ”!

          “He said Sakura was his inteded heroine in the interview with Yahagi”

          And here’s where you beloved “interview” became a huge lie into your face:


          Although Sakura is the most recurring female character in Naruto, Masashi Kishimoto did not originally intend for Sakura to be the heroine of the series. Kishimoto attributes this to his being unable to draw good heroine characters, and fashioned Sakura as a girl who cannot understand men, the best example of a heroine he could come up with. Sakura’s creation is a result of Kishimoto’s desire to make a somewhat irritating character who was well-intentioned.

          Kishimoto, Masashi (2007). Uzumaki: the Art of Naruto. Viz Media. p. 140


          So, which is the true one? The one from 2007? Or this new one? Hmmmmm?

          Whom you should believe? Maybe what came FIRST! And according to that 2007 book Kishimoto never intended her to be the main female.

          Also, HAVE I REMIND YOU HOW MUCH KISHIMOTO ALWAYS CHANGED EVERYTHING BY EACH INTERVIEWS?

          For example: he said first that Tenten was his favorite, then Anko, then Hinata and Sakura.

          Same goes to this: his favorite was Sasuke, then Choji and Killer Bee, then Naruto and so on.

          So as you can see the creditibility of these interviews are very biased specialy when you reread older ones.

          “–LOL at the nitpicks. Did you want the story to be perfect?”

          Nope, I just cared more about these than who will fuck a pinky haired girl.

          “Sasuke was getting drugged and having secret forbidden trainings”

          Cheap excuses, my friend!

          Jiraiya, the legendary sannin should known about the Kage clone’s cheater EXP tunning ability, yet he didn’t even bothered to use it to train Naruto more.

          And Tsunade wouldn’t making power up medicines for Sakura? So, can we call her stupid too?

          “This is obviously a nitpick, I mean are you trying to bitch about some character’s clothes? You may as well bitch about Naruto being a ninja and wearing orange smh”

          No, only my head gets pain when evils who tries to hide their super secret plans and super secret identity are using flashy clothes that even the children can detect from 100 km and they are wondering “lul, how could they notice us and where did they knew we are the villains” -> “where, where my dear, maybe because of your FUCKING FLASHY COATS!”.

          Oh and there was nothing wrong with Naruto’s clothes since a ninja using disguses and not flashy clothes and since Naruto dressed like a trainee nobody would except him to be a ninja just a simple trainee with no fashion taste.

          “Forgot about Kakashi and his dogs, forgot aout team Guy being sent as an reinforcement”

          Oh sure, forgot that they were good for nothing and Gaara died because those little doggies couldn’t find him in time + Team Guy had no tracking skills at all except Neji, but he did soooo much in that arc (being Kisame’s sandbag) that he didn’t even had to use the Byakugan to find Gaara.

          ” this is a major nitpick, Sasori saw the opening and he took it, i didn’t go that well for him in the end”

          Nope, this is pure logic:
          – a ninja always fight and focus on survival.
          – whenever a ninja can run away or play dead he does so he can escape.
          – a ninja only kills when he/she has the perfect time and as we saw he DIDN’T and that’s costed his life.

          So yeah, Sasori could play dead in his spare-pupper-body and could play truly major role later in the series, but no, he must be stupid and die by the hands of an arc-only granny.

          “The same thing I said before and what lame enemy is that? Hidan?
          Well if you count the fact that he is immortal and is capable of one hit kill I don’t think anyone could easily defeat him”

          Sure, so bad that if Hidan loses his limbs he is useless as hell and immortality is not equal to regeneration.

          Also, Hidan was pathetic weak againts long range attacks which the 2/3 of Konoha 11 had (Neji + Tenten + Hinata + Shino + Naruto + Sai if we count him + Ino + Kiba and so on).

          “Taka was necessary unless the author wanted to make the Sasuke’s parts of the manga more boring than they already were”

          So you hated Sasuke? Good to know.

          But back to Taka, no, even Kishimoto told in an interview that he originaly wanted to get rid of them without giving them any story but he changed his mind.

          “Yeah, it’s a crime to add things like that in the story u know (not)
          Really m8, it’s fine to add backstory to some characters as long as the make sense and don’t retcon what already exists”

          But Jiraiya’s little orphan team already was a retcon as they were not only never mentioned before but people always said that he never had any other students aside Minato and his team.

          “One of your points made sense but majrity are nitpicks, don’t be proud about them”

          What nitpick? Not ignoring stupidities? Maybe shippingers (NaruSaku, NaruHina, ShikaTema etc) could do it easily, but me who never had any shipping couldn’t act like these were not stupid as hell.

          “Any pairings would be forced at that point, NS would be the least worse because it would made sense conceptually ”

          Goku and Bulma would made snese conceptually too, but this is not my desk, I’ll leave this to you and the shippingers.

          “unlike you I have sources

          “Source: ch2 ”

          ………. don’t laugh on him….. don’t laugh on him…….

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha…..

          Sorry, but 2ch is one of the biggest troll site ever. It’s only good for stealing raws and pictures but taking them as “creditable sources” is like asking Uwe Boll how to make the perfect videogame-movie adaption!

          Also, according to you beloved “transitions”:

          The 3 worst Naruto Movies are Road To Ninja, The Last and Ninja Clash In The Land Of Snow.

          The 3 best Naruto mvoies would be Naruto the Movie: Guardians of the Crescent Moon Kingdom, Blood Prison and The Lost Tower.

          What? You say you smell bullshit? Yes, because it IS!

          “Yahoo is the most famous review site in Japan, it contains most of the critics, the ones in USA are obviously biased, just look some at IMdB ”

          Most famous my ass, oh, and a site where TMNT 2014 is awasome (japanese Yahoo) is more bias to me.

          Also, who is the one who has the right to call IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes or any site “bias”? Or to you western fans are not fans anymore?

          And don’t act like that wapanese NaruSaku fans didn’t registered to JY to rating down the movie, because tons of NS fans confessed they did that – that’s why there was some months when not only people couldn’t registering there, but not even reading there!

          Or should I remind you that NaruSaku fans tried to rating down on IMDB too? But they couldn’t, so they went to JY, the only japanese site where with enough japanese knowledge anyone can register.

          “–Transitions shows the movie didn’t lived up to it’s hype, plus high budget is nothing if it was not able to cover the 3 times the cost of production. the Last would only be succesfull if it made near 36 million dollars”

          +

          “–There is no official source for production cost, romored one was 12 million dollars , ( some animated films got to 30 million dollars for example) RTN was 4 million dollars and made 17 million, it gave them more money than the Last”

          So, just because some crying NaruSaku hallucinated a random “12 million dollars” which is already laughable as japanese are not working on USD but Yen + they lied a pathetic bias number about their favorite movie’s budget (which was the SAME AS THE LAST IN REALITY AND ONLY A LITTLE LOWER) you blindly believe all of their shit?

          Is it truly this hard to accept that The Last costed the same as Road To Ninja and was being more succes?

          As I said I didn’t like it neither, but unlike bias people I am not ignoring reality.

          “Your speculation only
          They went all out with this movie top animation, top soundtrack, even top VA’s, a shame they forgot to make a good storyline”

          Okay, you are truly not living in reality:
          – It is known fact that they didn’t paid more to the The Last’s animation just switched another animations teams who are still working for the same shit money.
          – The Voice Actors were working for the same little shit money here too.
          – If you listen carefully 70% of the OST is the same just in different pitch.

          Also, if you would explain why the animation of The Last is looks like Bleach’s then you still has two lose.

          So yeah, your beloved “12 million dollars” and “4 million dollars” ARE speculation.

          “FACEPALM
          I’m talking about dollars here, get your fact straight”

          FACEPALM
          Japanese people are working for YEN, not for Dollars! They are paying in Yen, working for Yen, paid in Yen and not dollars! Wake up to reality pall!

          “Miyazaki wind rises had bidget”

          Okay, you are truly have problems.

          Basing your pathetic random bias asspull from the budget of Miyazaki movies are like basing the budget of Birdman on any Transformer movie budgets!

          No, SP was legendary that they are never giving more money on on a movie more than 500 million yen, even some american animators made an interview where they told that the SP animators get THE LOWEST SALARY AND PAYMENT SINCE 2006!

          “RTN budget was 4 million dollars though”

          LOL, OFFICIAL SOURCE PLEASE! And no, not 2chan fansite hallucinations or NaruSaku hallucinations!

          “BUT it is rumored to have been 12 milliont thanks to all the effort SP put on it”

          Nope, it is just the hallucination of desperated and mentally broke down shippingers who couldn’t accept the fact that The Last profited more than Road To Ninja so they spreading their fake and bias “rumors” whiches they mindlessly “basing on Miyazaki movies”, forgetting that SP never gave out more than 500 million yen on a movie.

          “REally if htere is someone lying here it’s you,I have sources, you have 0 sources”

          Sorry, but 2chans and tumblr sites are not LEGAL nor OFFICIAL sources, they are just fansites.

          “Chi chi didn’t came from nowhere, she was presented as a child in tehe series and Goku even promised to marry her”

          LOL:
          1.Chi Chi appeared 2-3 chapters at the very beginning of the series then disappeared for 160 chapters while Goku and Bulma were together through 170 chapters and Bulma not once amazed by Goku’s personality, skills and for the last tournament in his appearance.
          2.Goku didn’t know what marriage was, so he didn’t even knew about Chi Chi’s romantic feelings.

          “I will ask you a question, sompare the pairing teases in Naruto to the ones in OP and DB/DBZ…now answer me where there is more?
          Also answer me what is the series in which one of the MC’s has romance as a main factor?”

          1.Luffy X Nami, Luffy X Boa, Sanji X Nami, Sanji X Robin, Zorro X Tagashi, Ussop X Kaya and so on and so on.

          2.IN ANY FUCKING SHONEN HAREM AND ROMANCE MANGAS WHICHES ARE ABOUT ROMANCES! YES, THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT ROMANCE GENRE IN SHONEN MANGAS TOO!

          “Romance is a subplot in Naruto tho, and Naruto isn’t even all about fights like DBZ was, it has more drama actually”

          Was my asses! Madara didn’t want to controll the world because of romance, Orochimaru neither, Nagato neither, Kaguya neither, Obito confessed that while he needed Rin’s death he still wanted controll the world because to him the world is nothing but full of lies.

          And maybe the too much drama was what killed the series (too).

          “Naruto was BAD , I agree, but it had a perfectly good potential till at least the Pein arc.”

          Wrong, it HAD potential till the end of Part 1.

          “The half assed ending and the horrible pairing outcome just helped cement Naruto as a good turned shitty series”

          Urgh, is there ANYTHING MORE THAT YOU CARED ABOUT THAN JUST SHIPPING?!

          Guy (2 years ago)

          “LOL, and it is you who decide who are the “causal” and “fanboys”?”

          –Nope, if you want a definition
          fanboy is the one person who can’t recognize any mistake in something, it’s love for certain product borders on obsession
          casual are those who never liked Naruto that much and aren’t invested in the story OR those whose only anime he/she ever watched is Naruto, thus being seen as a casual by other anime fans

          “Nope, in being comical maybe, but both in quality and enjoyement are totally different, specialy in the fact that while DBZ only has 2-3 skills and “transformations” One Piece has thousands of different skills and techniques, giving more depth to fights.”

          –DBZ has been compared to OP multiple times, to NnT too
          OP power ups have some similarities with DBZ but what happens is that due to the type of power he has Luffy can be more creative with it unlike Goku whose main power is a concentrated ki beam.
          However the way those stories were constructed is similar in quite a lot of aspects.
          The difference in the way the MC’s uses their power is meaningless towards their diverse similarities as an example we have Goku and Luffy having quite a similar personality, and OP having the same kind of feeling as the old Dragon Ball

          “The problem of the fans are not these, but the fact that the original anime series was much better because it gave more depth to the characters + much more both to the story and the characters like the manga did. Tons of the original Sailor Moon anime fans didn’t know about the manga and when they readed it they said that the original anime was better.”

          –Just look at waht Toei did with the new Sailor Moon anime in the internet smh, you are just repeating yourself here

          “And you honestly believe this tiny little lie of them? LOL, I thought you are better!”

          –Yeah sure, it’s a lie because you said so

          “There were MUCH better shonen fight mangas even before Dragon Ball (Hokuto No Ken), but they couldn’t get out from japan and that’s why they left behind it. And of course every shonen mangaka says “Dragon Ball”, because it has became worldwide famous thanks to it’s advantage.”

          –Of course there were better shonen than DBZ, HxH is a example in my opinion, however DB/DBZ still was an exceptional work by Toriyama and it deserved the fame it got

          “Tell me, if there would be 2 different but awasome shonen mangaka, and one of the says “I was inspired by Hokuto No Ken” while the other says “I was inspired by Dragon Ball”, which one’s manga will sell the most? Of course the later one, because “OMG he was inspired by DBZ”!”

          –Seriously, are you really that naive? What would matter if some author says “Oh well I was inspired by DB” but ultimately the manga from this author is crap ?
          What matters in the time the manga is selling it’s the popularity of said manga and if it’s story remained consistent, good, and worthwhile for the reader. Influences have little to do with the fact if some person enjoys it or not.

          “So, which is the true one? The one from 2007? Or this new one? Hmmmmm?
          Whom you should believe? Maybe what came FIRST! And according to that 2007 book Kishimoto never intended her to be the main female.
          Also, HAVE I REMIND YOU HOW MUCH KISHIMOTO ALWAYS CHANGED EVERYTHING BY EACH INTERVIEWS?
          For example: he said first that Tenten was his favorite, then Anko, then Hinata and Sakura.
          Same goes to this: his favorite was Sasuke, then Choji and Killer Bee, then Naruto and so on.
          So as you can see the creditibility of these interviews are very biased specialy when you reread older ones.”

          –Thank you for bringing up this, it’s a fact that Kishimoto contradics himself each time. However this doesn’t change Sakura was created with the purpose of being a heroine, if Kishimoto couldn’t see that, then it’s his problem mainly, and really I think thanks to tis inability of his that her character was such a bad one in the end.
          This interview is kind of wrong though, since it wasn’t really Kishimoto who had the idea for Sakura’s character, it was his editor, he was the one who idealized the rival character and the heroine for kishi and then gave him the idea for a love triangle.
          Sorry but I believe more in the interview with Yahagi, since Kishi was with him, a person he deeply respects, I think this caused Kishimoto to lie a lot less compared to what he normally does.

          “Nope, I just cared more about these than who will fuck a pinky haired girl.”

          — At least you recognized they were nitpcks I guess and look at you trying to bring something about pairings again…for someone who “doesn’t care” about it you sure bring it out a lot

          “Jiraiya, the legendary sannin should known about the Kage clone’s cheater EXP tunning ability, yet he didn’t even bothered to use it to train Naruto more.”

          — I recognized the Jiraya thing made no sense, Naruto should have gotten stronger there, I get the impression you didn’t read my text at all

          “And Tsunade wouldn’t making power up medicines for Sakura? So, can we call her stupid too?”

          –Not really, Tsunade knows how to heal, it was never said in the manga she knew how to make strenght medicines, unless you are talking about soldier pills, those are temporary power ups.
          Sasuke was with Kabuto and Orochimaru, taking forbidden trainings and specific forbidden drugs to get stronger, I’d say he had an edge against Naruto and Sakura, but as I said Naruto’s progress disappointed me too

          “No, only my head gets pain when evils who tries to hide their super secret plans and super secret identity are using flashy clothes that even the children can detect from 100 km and they are wondering “lul, how could they notice us and where did they knew we are the villains” -> “where, where my dear, maybe because of your FUCKING FLASHY COATS!”.

          Oh and there was nothing wrong with Naruto’s clothes since a ninja using disguses and not flashy clothes and since Naruto dressed like a trainee nobody would except him to be a ninja just a simple trainee with no fashion taste”

          –Oh…Naruto from part 2 is still a trainee? Naruto from mid part 1 is still a trainee?
          The moment he began to go out in missions he began his career as a Ninja, by your logic he is also stupid for using orange clothes and being open, Kakashi even remarked that
          So stop being an hypocrite, if you are going to bitch about Akatsuki’s clothes, bitch about Naruto too.
          And really, from early on Kishimoto estabilished that sneakness is not part of his ninja concept, the only ninja who are “sneaky” are the anbu and most of the time they appear, they are treated as “canon fodder”, so all your complaining makes no sense, this non ninja like clothes thing was something estabilished early in the story if you didn’t liked you shouldn’t even began reading in first place

          “Oh sure, forgot that they were good for nothing and Gaara died because those little doggies couldn’t find him in time + Team Guy had no tracking skills at all except Neji, but he did soooo much in that arc (being Kisame’s sandbag) that he didn’t even had to use the Byakugan to find Gaara.”

          –Gaara died because plot needed him to lose the ichibi, no matter if they had Neji or some other tracker on their team, Gaara would die either way. It is also fair to say that team Kakashi was sent in an emergency mission so arranging the best team for said mission was not the priority at the time the priority was get to the sand ASAP

          “Nope, this is pure logic:
          – a ninja always fight and focus on survival.
          – whenever a ninja can run away or play dead he does so he can escape.
          – a ninja only kills when he/she has the perfect time and as we saw he DIDN’T and that’s costed his life.
          So yeah, Sasori could play dead in his spare-pupper-body and could play truly major role later in the series, but no, he must be stupid and die by the hands of an arc-only granny.”

          –In sum, so you are butthurt that Sasori died like that? Mate…
          Sasori commited a mistake, deal with it. Most of your complaints here make no sense because
          – this ninja always fight and focus on survival is your thing, each ninja has a different reason to fight
          -this is only your interpretation too, the same thing as above, it will depend on the ninja
          -Sasori had a pretty good opening though
          and funnily enough like Granny Chiyo he turned out to be one arc only too ( not counting the BS war)

          “Sure, so bad that if Hidan loses his limbs he is useless as hell and immortality is not equal to regeneration.”
          –That’s why he was partnered with kakuzu

          “Also, Hidan was pathetic weak againts long range attacks which the 2/3 of Konoha 11 had (Neji + Tenten + Hinata + Shino + Naruto + Sai if we count him + Ino + Kiba and so on)”.

          –Speculation, besides Hinata and Kiba focus on close range, Neji only has the strike air palm, pretty limited and Ino is support role.
          You really know little of Naruto huh? IIf you want to bring Ino flower powers that is mostly a game only thing she never had them in canon

          “So you hated Sasuke? Good to know.”
          –Never said that, just found some parts of him pairing, part 2 suffered from Sasuke overdose

          “But back to Taka, no, even Kishimoto told in an interview that he originaly wanted to get rid of them without giving them any story but he changed his mind.”

          –At least he made a good decision then, Taka was a good addition. It probably came from his editor’s mind

          “But Jiraiya’s little orphan team already was a retcon as they were not only never mentioned before but people always said that he never had any other students aside Minato and his team”

          –Not really, the only people who knew the Ame orphans were Tsunade and Orochimaru to a certain degree. It was not a retcon since it didn’t change any exposed past backstory or character trait from Jiraya

          “What nitpick? Not ignoring stupidities? Maybe shippingers (NaruSaku, NaruHina, ShikaTema etc) could do it easily, but me who never had any shipping couldn’t act like these were not stupid as hell.”

          –Most of the things you said were nitpicks,I stand by what I said and you aren’t able to counter it successfully without bringing stupid arguments or pairing business AGAIN

          “Goku and Bulma would made snese conceptually too, but this is not my desk, I’ll leave this to you and the shippingers.”

          –At this point I doubt you read DB but Goku and Bulma had no feelings for each other besides friendship it can’t really be compared to Naruto situation

          “Sorry, but 2ch is one of the biggest troll site ever. It’s only good for stealing raws and pictures but taking them as “creditable sources” is like asking Uwe Boll how to make the perfect videogame-movie adaption!”

          –I think you are mistaking 4ch (western site) with 2ch , 2ch is pretty famous in japan and it’s a general forum for people over there, 4ch is the one that it’s largely used by troll and such and it’s western
          Besides before the ending NH/SS people usually got their Naruto information from 2ch too back then it was a perfectly good source now that most of the Naruto forums in 2ch turned anti thanks to the last, somehow the place is full of trolls. Double standarts everywhere

          “The 3 worst Naruto Movies are Road To Ninja, The Last and Ninja Clash In The Land Of Snow.
          The 3 best Naruto mvoies would be Naruto the Movie: Guardians of the Crescent Moon Kingdom, Blood Prison and The Lost Tower.
          What? You say you smell bullshit? Yes, because it IS!”

          — I doubt you even know what transition is, smh
          It basically shows if the movie got hype and lived up to it, RtN and Ninja Clash did well but Blood Prision and those others had very little hype so they could easily live it up to its shitty beginning status and make a good transition, The Last however was the biggest dissapointment of all

          “Most famous my ass, oh, and a site where TMNT 2014 is awasome (japanese Yahoo) is more bias to me.”

          –It is though

          “Also, who is the one who has the right to call IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes or any site “bias”? Or to you western fans are not fans anymore?”

          –Ahem you know how a big part of the western fans are don’t you? Most of them are biased, in Japan the biggest part of the fandom in neutral in the west the fandom that is left for this series is awfully biased towards a character or a pairing

          “And don’t act like that wapanese NaruSaku fans didn’t registered to JY to rating down the movie, because tons of NS fans confessed they did that – that’s why there was some months when not only people couldn’t registering there, but not even reading there!”

          –Yeah , I’d like some sources please

          “Or should I remind you that NaruSaku fans tried to rating down on IMDB too? But they couldn’t, so they went to JY, the only japanese site where with enough japanese knowledge anyone can register.”

          –This made no sense, why they couldn’t rate it down on IMDB? It’s awfully easy
          Also your implication that most western NS fans have knowledge of japanese is hilarious
          LMAO
          Smh just get a Google translator and translate some comments there, you will get gibberish english which proves that it GT was not used ;)

          “So, just because some crying NaruSaku hallucinated a random “12 million dollars” which is already laughable as japanese are not working on USD but Yen + they lied a pathetic bias number about their favorite movie’s budget (which was the SAME AS THE LAST IN REALITY AND ONLY A LITTLE LOWER) you blindly believe all of their shit?”

          –It’s rumour m8, it isn’t an official number but as I said it makes sense considering the work put into the last, Japanese work in yen but it’s easier to work with dollars and it’s even more easier to convert yen to dollars the interent is here for it.

          “Is it truly this hard to accept that The Last costed the same as Road To Ninja and was being more succes?”

          –Look at RTN animation, look at the Last, now say do you really think the last had “almost the same budget”

          “As I said I didn’t like it neither, but unlike bias people I am not ignoring reality.”

          –Yeah, it’s worse , you are completely delusional about it
          You arranging stupid excuses like , its in USD not yen and forgetting that it’s awfully easier to convert yen to USD in the internet and that box office in general works with values in dollars

          “It is known fact that they didn’t paid more to the The Last’s animation just switched another animations teams who are still working for the same shit money.”

          –How come they didn’t put more money in the Last animation? It doesn’t work like that ” Oh they just changed teams”, you show little understanding of how an animation studio works.
          Here is it short: more frames = more scenes = better drawn scenes= more money used
          The last had a very good animation, tons of frame were used on it

          ” The Voice Actors were working for the same little shit money here too.”
          –Movie =/=tv show, they obviously were paid more to work on the movie and there was the addition of Jun Fukuyama, Lelouch VA who is pretty famous as the VA of Toneri (more money wasted)

          “If you listen carefully 70% of the OST is the same just in different pitch.”

          –LMAO XD it is not, you sure are getting desesperate huh

          “Also, if you would explain why the animation of The Last is looks like Bleach’s then you still has two lose.”

          –Actually it doesn’t look that much, you are the first one who made this comparision for whatever reason

          “So yeah, your beloved “12 million dollars” and “4 million dollars” ARE speculation.”

          –Didn’t I said it was a rumour? Do you even know how to read, smh
          However ( repeating again) this rumour makes SENSE considering the work put on the last

          “FACEPALM
          Japanese people are working for YEN, not for Dollars! They are paying in Yen, working for Yen, paid in Yen and not dollars! Wake up to reality pall!”

          — > Forgets about Dollar – Yen conversion, and ignores what I posted about it in previous post. Good work (not)
          You youserlf said RTN’s budget was 320 million yen, but the truth is that it was between 200 million yen and 400 million yen, converting to dollar it makes approximately between 2 million dollars and 4 million dollars
          So if you are calling my numbers a lie you are calling yours a lie too

          “Basing your pathetic random bias asspull from the budget of Miyazaki movies are like basing the budget of Birdman on any Transformer movie budgets!”

          –It was still an animation, like the last, it was worth the production cost of 30 million dollars, the last obviously had less than it, I just used to show you that animation films can be quite expensive

          “No, SP was legendary that they are never giving more money on on a movie more than 500 million yen, even some american animators made an interview where they told that the SP animators get THE LOWEST SALARY AND PAYMENT SINCE 2006!”

          –I saw that interview. He is talking about his salary not about how much spends on animators salary and not how much they spend on their series/ movies
          PS: One reason Tokyo Goul VA had such bad animation at times was due to SP going overboard with the Last, Naruto’s animation is also worst than ever

          “RTN budget was 4 million dollars though”

          “LOL, OFFICIAL SOURCE PLEASE! And no, not 2chan fansite hallucinations or NaruSaku hallucinations!”

          –You said yourself RTN budget cost was 320 million yenm convert this to dollars and you will see
          I said 4 million dollars because it’s what has been regarded as fact among fans, but accepting a marge of 200 million yen to 400 milion yen for RTN budget you get some other results, but close to 4 million nevertheless

          “Nope, it is just the hallucination of desperated and mentally broke down shippingers who couldn’t accept the fact that The Last profited more than Road To Ninja so they spreading their fake and bias “rumors” whiches they mindlessly “basing on Miyazaki movies”, forgetting that SP never gave out more than 500 million yen on a movie.”

          –Yeah, that about SP do you have a source? I’m pretty sure you don’t. Nevertheless the Last budget cost isn’t even know yet 12 million is a perfectable acceptable rumourconsidering how much work was put on the last

          “Sorry, but 2chans and tumblr sites are not LEGAL nor OFFICIAL sources, they are just fansites.”

          –You don’t have any official source either, and 2ch comes from Japan, its better than anything you have :D

          “Chi chi didn’t came from nowhere, she was presented as a child in tehe series and Goku even promised to marry her”

          LOL:
          “1.Chi Chi appeared 2-3 chapters at the very beginning of the series then disappeared for 160 chapters while Goku and Bulma were together through 170 chapters and Bulma not once amazed by Goku’s personality, skills and for the last tournament in his appearance”

          –There was never romantic interaction between Goku and Bulma pls.

          ” 2- Goku didn’t know what marriage was, so he didn’t even knew about Chi Chi’s romantic feelings.”

          –Thank you for admitting Goku was completely aromantic during Dragon Ball

          “1.Luffy X Nami, Luffy X Boa, Sanji X Nami, Sanji X Robin, Zorro X Tagashi, Ussop X Kaya and so on and so on.

          2.IN ANY FUCKING SHONEN HAREM AND ROMANCE MANGAS WHICHES ARE ABOUT ROMANCES! YES, THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT ROMANCE GENRE IN SHONEN MANGAS TOO!”

          — 1- All little pairing teases, Oda said himself he doesn’t do romance, good try though ;)

          2- Let’s see in Naruto we have Obito, Sakura (unfortunately), Hinata, there is Kurenai too, Tsunade even,and look Naruto is not an shonen harem manga ;)
          Face it romance was a subplot, it was literally the ony mystery left in the end which shows how lmae this ending was

          “Was my asses! Madara didn’t want to controll the world because of romance, Orochimaru neither, Nagato neither, Kaguya neither, Obito confessed that while he needed Rin’s death he still wanted controll the world because to him the world is nothing but full of lies.”

          –And why Obito wanted to fo it? Because of Rin, hell he even met her after his death , you can’t say she was not part of his motivation, one of the main villains of the manga had his motivation linked to romance as lame as it is, deal with it ~

          “And maybe the too much drama was what killed the series (too).~”

          –I agree

          “Wrong, it HAD potential till the end of Part 1.”

          –Nope, til Pein arc

          “Urgh, is there ANYTHING MORE THAT YOU CARED ABOUT THAN JUST SHIPPING?!”

          –Funnily enough you brought the pairings topics even more than I did.
          And you can whine as much as you want, the pairings were part of the problem too, even if it was only subplot ( the main plots were screwed too btw)

      Fengshui (2 years ago)

      About the “budget of The Last”:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Z:_Resurrection_%27F%27

      http://deadline.com/2015/04/international-box-office-furious-7-child-44-cinderella-dragonball-z-1201412508/

      The budget on Resurrection F was just $5M.

      DBZ ROF:
      – Had 5x times better animation than the The Last
      – Had faaar more famous and legendary VA cast than the The Last.
      – Had a musician band almost as famous as AKB48.

      If DBZ, with much better animation, much famous casting and musicians costed only 5 million dollar, then I think even you accept now that that 12 million was an asspull. Unless you are blind and can’t see the oblivious better animation of DBZ ROF and totally ignor Tanaka’s and Nozawa’s legendary VA statuses and the fact that Clover Z is more famous than any of Naruto’s band.

      So, can we agree now that the budgets of The Last and Road To Ninja were both less than 5 million? Or you still clinging into that hallucination of salty bias shippingers?

        Fengshui (2 years ago)

        Oh, and RTN FAILED EVEN MORE ON US!

        http://40.media.tumblr.com/0fcee8f69d86540e6adf2dbcdf3372e4/tumblr_inline_nnga5m33lP1tsw6ci_1280.png

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=roadtoninja.htm

        43,000 dollars only…. for the same running time in more cinemas?

        Since the CamRip if The Last was out in the middle of january, you can’t even say “because everyone knew it already”.

        So RTN failed even more in the US.

        Guy (2 years ago)

        “If DBZ, with much better animation, much famous casting and musicians costed only 5 million dollar, then I think even you accept now that that 12 million was an asspull. Unless you are blind and can’t see the oblivious better animation of DBZ ROF and totally ignor Tanaka’s and Nozawa’s legendary VA statuses and the fact that Clover Z is more famous than any of Naruto’s band.”

        — “Naruto band”, lol
        The last budget will still be a speculation until it’s revealed
        12 million is not really an asspull since we have a jap animation movie with more than 30 million as it’s budget, and seriously? I’d say that the animation at the last was kind of more impressing than DBZ’s new movie ( but eh opinions, opinions…)

        It’s kind of funny because DBZ movie F was very successful so they are open with their budget…the last however never revealed theirs…I wonder why ….

        “43,000 dollars only…. for the same running time in more cinemas?

        Since the CamRip if The Last was out in the middle of january, you can’t even say “because everyone knew it already”.

        So RTN failed even more in the US.”

        –And ?

        RTN was distributed later in the US in case you didn’t know at the time everyone already knew of the movie and/or had at least a nice quality copy if they wanted to see in the internet

        The last was distributed earlier because SP was really betting on the US because of a lot of NH fans that live there,
        It’s kind of funny , the NH fans that remarked that ” the last was going to make more than 2 billion in the US” yet it didn’t even made half a million

        And of course, the last has all the hype of being the “last Naruto” movie at the time, that’s bound to call some audience who already was through with Naruto, just because they wanted to see the completion of the story

Fengshui (2 years ago)

Guy

“DBZ has been compared to OP multiple times”

Because they are both ling running shonen fight mangas and that’s all, Bleach was compared to DBZ too many times despite being more like Yu Yu Hakusho than DBZ.

“Seriously, are you really that naive? What would matter if some author says “Oh well I was inspired by DB” but ultimately the manga from this author is crap ?
What matters in the time the manga is selling it’s the popularity of said manga and if it’s story remained consistent, good, and worthwhile for the reader. Influences have little to do with the fact if some person enjoys it or not.”

Are you this naive?

Have I remind you that Inuyasha, one of the best long running shonen fight manga never became as popular as Naruto or One Piece because the mangaka never said “Oh I was inspired by Toriyama”? Inuyasha had much better and more developed story and characters than Naruto, Bleach or even One Piece and unlike Naruto Inuyasha HAD real romances and not just teasings!

Yet, it has only sold 45 million in japan. Just because she “wasn’t inspired by Toriyama”, while Bleach is at now 90 million, Naruto at 205 million and so on.

FOR THE LAST TIME FOR THE “BUDGET OF THE LAST”:

“So yeah, your beloved “12 million dollars” and “4 million dollars” ARE speculation.”

–Didn’t I said it was a rumour? Do you even know how to read, smh
However ( repeating again) this rumour makes SENSE considering the work put on the last”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Z:_Resurrection_%27F%27

http://deadline.com/2015/04/international-box-office-furious-7-child-44-cinderella-dragonball-z-1201412508/

The budget on Resurrection F was just $5M.

THE BUDGET OF DBZ RESURRECTION OF F, WHICH:
– HAD 5 TIMES BETTER ANIMATION THAN NARUTO THE LAST + NARUTO ROAD TO NINJA TOGETHER
– HAD FAAAR MORE FAMOUS VA THAN THE LAST (the name of Masako Nozawa, Ryusei Nakao, Mayumi Tanaka and Ryo Horikawa are faaar more famosu than that no one random guy that you try to hype up for nothing who only became known because of ONE anime while these people became known for hundreds, including One Piece)
– HAD MORE FAMOUS MUSICIANS THAN THE LAST AND ROAD TO NINJA TOGETHER (the Momoiro Clover Z are just as famous as AKB48, the most famous japanese idol group in japan)

AND THIS MOVIE COSTED ONLY 5 MILLION!

So if this movie, which had 5 times better animation, more famous VA and even more famous musician only costed 5 million USD, then how the hell could The Last cost more than this?

Answer: because it didn’t. Sorry, but if you try to still saying after the revealition of DBZ ROF’s budget that that asspull 12 million makes sense, then you are either blind to not see how a good animation looks like or simply ignoring reality.

“Nevertheless the Last budget cost isn’t even know yet 12 million is a perfectable acceptable rumourconsidering how much work was put on the last”

So you still saying that The Last which had worse animation and far inferior VA casting + musicians than DBZ ROF costed much despite even DBZ ROF only costed 5 million USD?

Then you are truly hopeless.

I don’t even dare to show you HOW MUCH DID RTN SUCKED IN THE US:

http://40.media.tumblr.com/0fcee8f69d86540e6adf2dbcdf3372e4/tumblr_inline_nnga5m33lP1tsw6ci_1280.png

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=roadtoninja.htm

43,000 dollars only….. for the same amount of time…. LOL. And since the CamRip of The Last was out in middle january you can’t even protect this shitty US box office of RTN.

“All little pairing teases, Oda said himself he doesn’t do romance, good try though”

And in Naruto all we got were pairing teases too, nothing more and only shippingers handled them seriously.

“And why Obito wanted to fo it?”

Becuase he came to hate the ninja system. Sure, he needed someone to die (unlike Toneri who wanted to destroy the world because of his own mindset and not because of someone’s death), but overall even Obito laughed on Kakashi when Kakashi believed the same as you.

    Guy (2 years ago)

    “Because they are both ling running shonen fight mangas and that’s all, Bleach was compared to DBZ too many times despite being more like Yu Yu Hakusho than DBZ.”

    — On the matter of success, OP is th eonly one close of taking the crown of shonen kinfg from DBZ

    “Are you this naive?
    Have I remind you that Inuyasha, one of the best long running shonen fight manga never became as popular as Naruto or One Piece because the mangaka never said “Oh I was inspired by Toriyama”? Inuyasha had much better and more developed story and characters than Naruto, Bleach or even One Piece and unlike Naruto Inuyasha HAD real romances and not just teasings!
    Yet, it has only sold 45 million in japan. Just because she “wasn’t inspired by Toriyama”, while Bleach is at now 90 million, Naruto at 205 million and so on.”

    RUmiko makes a very specific type of shonen for a very specific audience, it was still pretty succesfull though and it has quality which unfortunately isn’t the same thing as success

    “HE BUDGET OF DBZ RESURRECTION OF F, WHICH:
    – HAD 5 TIMES BETTER ANIMATION THAN NARUTO THE LAST + NARUTO ROAD TO NINJA TOGETHER
    – HAD FAAAR MORE FAMOUS VA THAN THE LAST (the name of Masako Nozawa, Ryusei Nakao, Mayumi Tanaka and Ryo Horikawa are faaar more famosu than that no one random guy that you try to hype up for nothing who only became known because of ONE anime while these people became known for hundreds, including One Piece)
    – HAD MORE FAMOUS MUSICIANS THAN THE LAST AND ROAD TO NINJA TOGETHER (the Momoiro Clover Z are just as famous as AKB48, the most famous japanese idol group in japan)

    AND THIS MOVIE COSTED ONLY 5 MILLION!”

    —Calm down…are youmad?

    Why the capslock m8?

    I will give you simple facts
    1) we don’t know the budget of the last
    2) there is an animation movie from studio Ghibli which had far less exposure than DBZ:F that costed 30 million , so really all your comparisions are worthless ;) my point still stands until we get the revelation of the last budget…

    “43,000 dollars only….. for the same amount of time…. LOL. And since the CamRip of The Last was out in middle january you can’t even protect this shitty US box office of RTN.”

    I will just copy what I said b4

    –And ?

    RTN was distributed later in the US in case you didn’t know at the time everyone already knew of the movie and/or had at least a nice quality copy if they wanted to see in the internet

    The last was distributed earlier because SP was really betting on the US because of a lot of NH fans that live there,
    It’s kind of funny , the NH fans that remarked that ” the last was going to make more than 2 billion in the US” yet it didn’t even made half a million

    And of course, the last has all the hype of being the “last Naruto” movie at the time, that’s bound to call some audience who already was through with Naruto, just because they wanted to see the completion of the story

    “Becuase he came to hate the ninja system. Sure, he needed someone to die (unlike Toneri who wanted to destroy the world because of his own mindset and not because of someone’s death), but overall even Obito laughed on Kakashi when Kakashi believed the same as you.”

    –Yet after a while Obito went back on what he said and admitted it was all bc of Rin, lol sorry, you need to read the manga better m8

kira (2 years ago)

dear Chatte,

i have been a long time reader of your blog. I’m first and foremost a Sakura fan. I ship both NS & SS. I understand that you feel hurt because of the ending, but as a fellow shipper, I’m suggesting you to just leave Naruto. Leave the series, leave the fandom and don’t look back. I love NS and their interaction, and the fandom is just made up of the most wonderful people, but I feel like your ranting of the ending has given the fandom a bad name. I know NS fans are not bad people, in fact, you guys are probably one of the most rational fandom I know of. But I honestly think you should stop, with the theories etc. Sure, they may be true but… Just leave Naruto. Like ladyGT did, I mean I could tell she wasn’t happy with the ending. A lot of people in the pro-ending fandom respected her because of that. For the record, I do think you have a lot of strong arguments (that I agree with), but let me ensure you you can’t change what people are thinking. People believe what they want to believe. and people see things differently, and these all depend by their background, culture how they were raised etc. Just leave the fandom, you said it yourself you don’t want anything to do with it anymore and yet you keep posting naruto-related things almost everyday. Be the bigger person here and move on. It’s ok to feel the way you feel, and I’m sure you just want a space where you can express your thoughts. I wish things were that easy but they’re not. Please, please, I just can’t deal with more people making fun of the NS fandom

    Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

    LadyGT is LadyGT. Just because you’re gonna bring names such as LadyGT and try to pass as a familiar user by taking Kira’s name isn’t gonna work. It’s seen from far above that you’re not in the NaruSaku fandom because if you’d oh so be like you say you are, you’d know that one precious thing NaruSaku fans pride themselves with. Too bad you don’t know it and that your charade isn’t working but so be it.
    Oh and btw, NS fandom doesn’t give a shit about what other people think…that’s a thing you should know by now… you “NS” fan. ;)

      matteroffact (2 years ago)

      but that bit about you giving NS a bad name is true though. im NS too but unlike you circle of cult, i decided to move on and continue with FANON, and not make up stories, post fake infos, and just generally cuddle each other and justify your hypocrysies. FACT: you guys make a small part of NS, the more level headed ones just tolerate you because you because you and the same circle of those same people flood the tags so much. and i know youll probably disregard this and say i too am just a posing NS fan but whatever, i just want to make you realize that you contributed on the bullshit and hatred breeding inside NS right now.

        Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

        Oh but of course… the propaganda is continuing, right? Look at big bad me, giving NS a bad name. Fact? If I’ll write “Fact” as well will it make it a “fact” just because I say so? Don’t you hear yourself? Plus, like really, you guys are so goddamn transparent. Talking about the tags when the tags are always properly put but then NS-ers or social justice warriors wanna be like you come and talk so easily.
        Think that if you throw around here 2-3 words you’ll make a case of what really happened? Poor, poor you…

        Plus, there’s no bullshit and hatred breeding inside NS right now and you should know that by now, given that you’re a NS fan… oh, wait!

Henry (2 years ago)

This “ending” was a slap-in-the-face to all Sakura fans.

    Chatte Georgiana (2 years ago)

    It was indeed. And what’s worse even is having the author saying all those horrible things about her.

CrysWill (1 year ago)

Sakura is a character in a manga whether it was Kishi, the editors or fans that destroyed her for you, Sakura is NOT real. Get over it! Nothing you say, think, feel or post is going to change the series or the ending. EVERYONE should be more mature.

    Chatte Georgiana (1 year ago)

    Uhm, and where did I say I wanted the series end to change? I was just expressing my opinion regarding the matter. Chill.

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